We have a few WoG'ers in LaF.

http://www.lafamiglia.org

I, myself, am a former WoG player :-)

Hanlong told me a few sets not to upset Pang. He told me Pang was the counterbalance to the influence of the Evo admins, but having them all against us is bad news.

Maybe a bit tongue-in-cheek, but a week after Pang politically declared against Hanlong, a week after Evo realised their site had been hacked after hacking LaF, the cheating scandall... maybe it has more credence than one would think.

I also have the right to be a disrespectful as I want; especially to someone who obtained information about me including my IP to track my countries, even if it was years ago.

lostmonk: I enjoy playing the game. I actually find having most of the admins/mods 'campaigning' against us an added challenge, which makes winning taste even sweeter. It doesn't matter how much hard work they put into the game, it doesn't mean they are immune from criticism and my claims are far from baseless. Furthermore, this isn't North Korea, I'm free to post here just like all SoFers are. If you don't like my posts add me to the ignore list.

The political correctness in our society is mind numbing. The inability to discern between laughing at a picture, and real life actions is frightening. We have evolved to posess the ability of cognitive thought yet the vast majority of society still DISABLE themselves with reactionary responses based on emotions and what they have been told to think.

I daresay that the definition of 'disabled' is quite limiting, and that most people fall in to the category.

Welcome to how the rest of us have felt, LaF and her allies always one step ahead of the rest of us - never being on an equal footing in any war because of the inside information gained and shared by LaF leadership.

Least this advantage was legitimately gained and to be fair legitimately countered by calling in. (Cowardly though in my opinion).

You should answer questions on your sides behalf more often. A spin-free, honest answer.

Bravo.

blah blah blah

And yet, there was a 5v1 gangbang just last set.. I guess taking a stance has to be multiple sets which if it was allowed to happen would.... SHOCKER.... drive Laf members from the game. Not even Imag would keep all it's members if it was repeatedly hit by 5 other clans. I guess we should all consult you on how long this punishment should go on.

That accusation of cheating rule existed well before Martian posted about it. I have seen it mentioned by him in the past too. Perhaps you should review those rules again, or maybe they need to be made more clear.

Untags will FS every tag not at war :p

Skilled players never do. I hear a lot of crickets from martian.

When you're the one to break up with her but you want her back and the only way to get her back is to do something which will burst her into tears.w

Any suggestions?

No I was in Sky Elitez.

Maybe I haven't been playing long enough, but I don't see how getting pissy over one loose cannon can justify taking on a whole alliance... so much for netting I guess. Don't any of you work for a living? Or do you live in your mother's basement?

I think if I were to weigh the costs of taking 3 hits back from one guy, against buying up all kinds of military and wasting turns killing other countries that were minding their own, I would have to say that taking the land back costs far less. But oh no, we're Imag or whatever the hell, and we stick together cause we're buddies, and when one dude, who apparently has a reputation for acting stupid goes "tapping" us, we go ape sh#t and waste turns killing people that have no freakin clue and couldnt care less about your stupid games!!

Screw all of you and "your version of politics" get laid and do something productive with your lives instead of having conniption fits over losing a few acres.

oh your guy disrespected us, he blew us off when we told him that your guy hit us. please! people have lives to live. No one gives a sh#t about this game when their grades, or their jobs, or their relationships are more important, when you flunk out, when she dumps you, when you're fired for worrying about EE instead of taking responsibility for your life, you can go crying to your alliance and see where that gets you! back to mommy's basement.

Its all fake!!! I can't believe you are so childish.

Detmer, might I ask at which point you stop calling people cheaters and move on?

You guys lost the plot when you used all of this for political gain rather than to chase down cheaters. You guys also lost the plot when you read a ton of "maybes" and assumed they all meant yes instead of maybe.

So let's get this straight.

TC is guilty of manipulating game data, and giving admin access to HLW.

HLW is guilty of using the access given to him, to view Admin threads (Not 'Game' related), and query another alliance's forums (Not 'Game' related).

Looks to me only one person deserves perma ban and the other deserves a 'timed' ban for not bringing a loophole/leak to the Admins.



If a guy can threaten to kill another person and only get a 30day ban, how long would a guy that simply was ignorant and took advantage of something, which, 100% of alliance leaders, current and past, would do the same if given the chance to, if not already doing it?

2) Based on what we know, Hanlong got db access/password from TC. There is no evidence that he did anything other than login to the db (and presumably read stuff). There are logs of him running queries against evolution2025's forum tables.

Again, the country viewing / editing is the only thing that I think the Admins should focus on, and bringing the other things along seems part of a smear campaign against LaF.

If he was in cancun chances are pretty high he did it by mistake while being drunk off his ass

how does that make sense orkin... read martians post.

This whole thing is starting to spiral out of control.

2 people in LaF cheat, and besides the gifting there is no proof they did anything different than what Slagpit was doing for evo.

granted they cheated and should be punished I'm not trying to say its not a huge deal. But still...crucifying the rest of LaF players and EVERY tag that is allied to them...does that seem fair to you?

Also, where were all of you crusaders back in 2003 when I tried to unite the server and have everyone attack the bots for one round in an attempt at nullifying their efforts?

Half of the game was getting hit by bots and those that were around then were too big of pussies to even let their differences go and try to take the game back.

Now it's 4 alliances against one and suddenly everyone is showing their big balls.

Works for Chelsea.

When it comes to the boxcar exploit I agree that as a leadership group you are in some way jointly responsible. If I look at Jiman or praetor they constantly question how or where I get my info. They want no part of shady deals or actions like hanlongs.

You on the other hand fully defended Hanlong at all times. While we've publicaly and privately told you there was NO WAY hanlong could get those logs in a legit form or way. To me that makes you just as bad as you never investigated or looked at the option of what we were saying to be true.


Maybe for LaF words have been more important then action. But for SOL actions still speak louder then words.

Your actions only show you to defend shady ways of information brokering and gains instead of proving the community wrong when you were challenged on your legitimacy.

We will come at you strong hard and fast and make sure you never forget that LaF is still one of the best alliances on the server and we will kill anyone who threatens our place in this game.

I realize it will take time and good gestures to start mending relations.

Want to remember what its like to play with leaders you can trust?

Doing a recruitment campaign on LaF members now, is like doing one on ICN when Gary passed away.

The alliance just lost their leader to an unfortunate, and uncontrollable event. On top of that, we now have to face a giant PR smearing campaign by various trolls.

Did LaF deserve this? No.

If you are mad at HLW and TC, they are located in the state of California and Oregon respectively.

You help drove a game admin away from the game, he even named you directly, and you still don't feel bad about it.

sigh