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KoHeartsGPA Game profile

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Nov 9th 2021, 0:24:07

Go!


I'll tech again, hopefully I'll have a better destock this time lol
Mess with me you better kill me, or I'll just take your pride & joy and jack it up
(•_•)
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LightBringer Game profile

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Nov 9th 2021, 0:33:14

After forays into casher and farmer, I think I’m going to go back to Commie! So ya’ll can expect some cheap mil.
Tech start allies needed as per usual.
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Rob Game profile

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Nov 9th 2021, 0:57:35

Tech start casher here

Cumorah Game profile

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Nov 9th 2021, 1:07:44

Indy for me, hoping for a better start this time to provide you all with expensive military. Good luck!

Kryptic

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Nov 9th 2021, 1:10:05

I'll be taking a break this round. A tech spot is open!

DeLpHiNuS Game profile

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Nov 9th 2021, 4:57:01

Originally posted by Kryptic:
I'll be taking a break this round. A tech spot is open!


Kryptic is grievous right?

KoHeartsGPA Game profile

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Nov 9th 2021, 5:34:52

Originally posted by DeLpHiNuS:
Originally posted by Kryptic:
I'll be taking a break this round. A tech spot is open!


Kryptic is grievous right?


Yes sir 😊
Mess with me you better kill me, or I'll just take your pride & joy and jack it up
(•_•)
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DeLpHiNuS Game profile

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Nov 9th 2021, 13:16:30

I haven't try playing techer before.. dunno if I shld play as one, or go for rep/casher.. wanna feel the difference between demo/casher vs rep/casher

Rob Game profile

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Nov 9th 2021, 13:43:54

Originally posted by DeLpHiNuS:
I haven't try playing techer before.. dunno if I shld play as one, or go for rep/casher.. wanna feel the difference between demo/casher vs rep/casher


Go tech. Or farm. Don’t cash :)

KoHeartsGPA Game profile

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Nov 9th 2021, 14:36:15

Don't listen to Rob!!!!!

:P

I'll have tech slots open for anyone going all set techer :-)
Mess with me you better kill me, or I'll just take your pride & joy and jack it up
(•_•)
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NitelL Game profile

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Nov 9th 2021, 16:13:01

I'm going farmer.

Please let there be no farmers!

Joey0001 Game profile

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Nov 9th 2021, 16:28:46

Casher, tech start hit me up.

Cumorah Game profile

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Nov 11th 2021, 0:14:31

Looking for defensive allies, any takers you know where to find me.

Anarchist Game profile

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Nov 11th 2021, 6:36:12

Going techer i guess

LightBringer Game profile

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Nov 11th 2021, 7:27:32

Looking for tech start allies, you know who I am.
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TwoPodRay Game profile

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Nov 11th 2021, 8:44:00

I’ll be doing an extended tech start, but not a whole set techer. Anyone who needs something in between?

DeLpHiNuS Game profile

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Nov 11th 2021, 14:25:41

Originally posted by LightBringer:
Looking for tech start allies, you know who I am.


LB ur country is?

Cumorah Game profile

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Nov 11th 2021, 21:25:34

Originally posted by DeLpHiNuS:
Originally posted by LightBringer:
Looking for tech start allies, you know who I am.


LB ur country is?


I was thinking the same thing

TidyTerry Game profile

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Nov 11th 2021, 23:47:16

Lot of cashers and techers, I was thinking casher with tech start but now I'm wondering if I should go Indy.

LightBringer Game profile

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Nov 12th 2021, 3:30:48

I sent you both pacts haha.
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LightBringer Game profile

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Nov 12th 2021, 3:31:28

Originally posted by TidyTerry:
Lot of cashers and techers, I was thinking casher with tech start but now I'm wondering if I should go Indy.


There is a massive shortage of farmers.
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Rocky79 Game profile

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Nov 12th 2021, 3:38:22

I'm going to play and try a farmer

My express farmer is going well

Cheers

R.

NitelL Game profile

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Nov 12th 2021, 20:34:23

Originally posted by LightBringer:
Originally posted by TidyTerry:
Lot of cashers and techers, I was thinking casher with tech start but now I'm wondering if I should go Indy.


There is a massive shortage of farmers.


Well, not if I give you 80k acres of farm.

xD

KoHeartsGPA Game profile

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Nov 12th 2021, 22:27:10

Originally posted by NitelL:
Originally posted by LightBringer:
Originally posted by TidyTerry:
Lot of cashers and techers, I was thinking casher with tech start but now I'm wondering if I should go Indy.


There is a massive shortage of farmers.


Well, not if I give you 80k acres of farm.

xD


Make sure you buy my SDI and Weapons techs lol
Mess with me you better kill me, or I'll just take your pride & joy and jack it up
(•_•)
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Requiem Game profile

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Nov 12th 2021, 22:28:46

Tech start, I aint buying fluff! KIDDDINNNGGG

TidyTerry Game profile

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Nov 13th 2021, 3:25:10

Originally posted by LightBringer:
Originally posted by TidyTerry:
Lot of cashers and techers, I was thinking casher with tech start but now I'm wondering if I should go Indy.


There is a massive shortage of farmers.


My previous goes at farmer did not go well. I also worry if I go fascist farmer, my right arm might want to do Dr. Strangelove impressions. That and my phobia of German sausages. I fear the wurst.

KoHeartsGPA Game profile

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Nov 13th 2021, 5:13:20

Originally posted by Requiem:
Tech start, I aint buying fluff! KIDDDINNNGGG


fluff can get expensive :P

Originally posted by TidyTerry:
Originally posted by LightBringer:
Originally posted by TidyTerry:
Lot of cashers and techers, I was thinking casher with tech start but now I'm wondering if I should go Indy.


There is a massive shortage of farmers.


My previous goes at farmer did not go well. I also worry if I go fascist farmer, my right arm might want to do Dr. Strangelove impressions. That and my phobia of German sausages. I fear the wurst.


If I had time to grab for 35k minimum land, I would do a Demo-Farmer ... *hint*hint*
Mess with me you better kill me, or I'll just take your pride & joy and jack it up
(•_•)
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S.F. Giants 2010, 2012, 2014 World Series Champions, fluff YEAH!

DeLpHiNuS Game profile

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Nov 13th 2021, 14:21:55

Think I'm gonna try rep/casher this round!

Tmac Game profile

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Nov 13th 2021, 14:34:00

Terry already went commie. I'll help feed ya'll!

Rob Game profile

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Nov 14th 2021, 1:40:57

Originally posted by DeLpHiNuS:
Think I'm gonna try rep/casher this round!


Nooooooo....... Too many cashers as it stands.

Anarchist Game profile

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Nov 14th 2021, 13:02:50

I need two more tech aliies

DeLpHiNuS Game profile

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Nov 14th 2021, 14:08:34

Originally posted by Rob:
Originally posted by DeLpHiNuS:
Think I'm gonna try rep/casher this round!


Nooooooo....... Too many cashers as it stands.



Lol yea I saw the high number of rep this round.. but well, just wanna try it.. im just switching roles with tmac, cos otherwise it would be me as farmer.. so let's hope for the best haha

TidyTerry Game profile

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Nov 15th 2021, 15:38:08

I tried editing the wikipedia article on Big Turk candy bar to include "It rhymes with Big Jerk", but they would not keep the edit.

Rocky79 Game profile

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Nov 16th 2021, 16:19:49

What's the best way to go techer on this server?

Tyranny, Theocracy, Or Democracy for full round techer?

R.

KoHeartsGPA Game profile

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Nov 16th 2021, 16:25:51

There's already too many techers this round, go farmer.
Mess with me you better kill me, or I'll just take your pride & joy and jack it up
(•_•)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6VRMGTwU4I
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S.F. Giants 2010, 2012, 2014 World Series Champions, fluff YEAH!

Rocky79 Game profile

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Nov 16th 2021, 19:15:53

How many techers is too many?

I only see two who have posted here

KoHeartsGPA Game profile

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Nov 16th 2021, 19:42:35

I already have 3 allies
Mess with me you better kill me, or I'll just take your pride & joy and jack it up
(•_•)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6VRMGTwU4I
-=TSO~DKnights~ICD~XI~LaF=-

S.F. Giants 2010, 2012, 2014 World Series Champions, fluff YEAH!

Crackhead Game profile

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Nov 16th 2021, 19:56:15

Tech start here ...need a couple res allies

Tmac Game profile

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Nov 16th 2021, 20:28:47

Originally posted by Rocky79:
What's the best way to go techer on this server?

Tyranny, Theocracy, Or Democracy for full round techer?

R.


I like demo best, but alot still go theo. Tyr is good for war or for your grabbing phase before switching to demo. I think we need another techer actually.

Rob Game profile

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Nov 17th 2021, 1:08:31

Demo hands down. You could play a Tyr but then convert into a demo before stocking.
I think Theo is the worst option in Primary tbh - converting and rebuilding with a low bpt doesnt work, and stocking as a Theo incurs high losses.

With the game being as long as it is, the investment in bpt early as a demo pays off

Originally posted by Tmac:
Originally posted by Rocky79:
What's the best way to go techer on this server?

Tyranny, Theocracy, Or Democracy for full round techer?

R.


I like demo best, but alot still go theo. Tyr is good for war or for your grabbing phase before switching to demo. I think we need another techer actually.

Rocky79 Game profile

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Nov 17th 2021, 2:35:18

Cool, thanks guys

I'll go tyranny techer and then democracy

I still need two tech allies as well

Rocky.

LightBringer Game profile

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Nov 17th 2021, 5:35:19

Lets hope we have everything evened out haha.
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DeLpHiNuS Game profile

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Nov 18th 2021, 13:41:37

1 tech slot available.. can offer me straight

TidyTerry Game profile

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Nov 22nd 2021, 5:31:26

Originally posted by DeLpHiNuS:
1 tech slot available.. can offer me straight


Not teching so I don't want to leech on you....but I also want to announce - I got room for one more.

TidyTerry Game profile

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Nov 29th 2021, 2:35:24

I no longer have room for one more - I had not for a while I just like saying "I got room for one more".

LightBringer Game profile

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Nov 29th 2021, 12:15:00

Thanks for the updates TidyTerry, I will also spam this thread for my bonus.
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KoHeartsGPA Game profile

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Nov 29th 2021, 20:23:45

I got room for more.....labs
Mess with me you better kill me, or I'll just take your pride & joy and jack it up
(•_•)
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KoHeartsGPA Game profile

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Nov 29th 2021, 21:50:23

Questions for you experienced techers out there...

-Do I set a land goal? If yes, what would be a goldilocks acreage range?

-If I continue grabbing past 25k mark, how many turns a day should I spend on grabbing and building? (My BPT is 65)

-Should I stay techer all the way till end or drop land and convert to mb to buy from my private?

My end game is where I struggle a lot, last set I should have easily made it past 100m NW and didn't because of stupid mistakes made during a few logins where I rushed myself instead of taking the proper time :-(


All advice will be appreciated, thank you!
Mess with me you better kill me, or I'll just take your pride & joy and jack it up
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-=TSO~DKnights~ICD~XI~LaF=-

S.F. Giants 2010, 2012, 2014 World Series Champions, fluff YEAH!

LightBringer Game profile

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Nov 30th 2021, 9:08:27

Grab to 50k, then switch to Fascist Oiler.
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Gerdler Game profile

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Nov 30th 2021, 10:54:00

Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
Questions for you experienced techers out there...

-Do I set a land goal? If yes, what would be a goldilocks acreage range?

-If I continue grabbing past 25k mark, how many turns a day should I spend on grabbing and building? (My BPT is 65)

-Should I stay techer all the way till end or drop land and convert to mb to buy from my private?

My end game is where I struggle a lot, last set I should have easily made it past 100m NW and didn't because of stupid mistakes made during a few logins where I rushed myself instead of taking the proper time :-(


All advice will be appreciated, thank you!

65 bpt is a big problem. Its too late to build more CS now, DO NOT BUILD MORE CS NOW, but its going to stop you from greatness 100% of the time.

Theo has a 40% bpt bonus which people think all wrong about. Most people think; 'ahh great that means I go to the same bpt but just need fewer CS to get there' or 'ahh, so I get the same amount of CS but just build 40% faster' which are both wrong. The truth is somewhere in the middle of that.
That said your bpt is far from optimal and as a techer you should build all your CS early, before teching or 'switching' to techer preferably.

You cant know what acreage you will end up with but having a goal close to what you will end up is extremely important because it should guide how many CS you should build, which is one of the more important choices in any reset for any strategy - mostly for techers but also very important for other strats.

'Turn optimal BPTs', which is what the formulas that circle around these forums calculate, are often misunderstood as either;
a) the BPT I should have at a certain acreage
OR
b) the BPT I should aim for a certain landgoal.

Now 'b' is close to the truth for techer, less so for other strats on most servers. In fact the optimal bpt you calculate is the bpt you should build up to if you wish to build a certain amount of buildings. Important here is that it excludes the buildings we already have, and the buildings we will capture in grabs (assuming they are of the right kind).

Since people dont like formulas I'll just post a few results of them, for non-dict, non-theo govts:

Buildings left to build -> Turn optimal BPT
10000 -> 50
14400 -> 60
19600 -> 70
25600 -> 80
32400 -> 90
40000 -> 100
48400 -> 110


Now as I said most people interpret this wrong. So lets take an example to clear this up:
You are a 10k acre fully built indy, with 55 bpt, and you want to aim for 30k acres. How many CS should you build up to to build those CS+IC remaining in the least amount of turns?
Well you already have 10k ICs, and you want another 20k if your set goes as planned, so you need around 70 bpt which is turn optimal for building about 19600 ICs. perhaps if you know you will grab a lot of indies you would go lower bpt than that, and perhaps if you assume you will trade hits with players you would go noticeably higher than 70 (I dont know why you would try to be optimal in doing something that is very suboptimal tho).

Your problem, specifically this set, is that you choose a bpt that is optimal for an 18k acre techer, or if you are a theocracy a bpt that is optimal for a 12k acre techer. You are going to exceed that by a huge margin. And so you choose the wrong bpt. Again, most people will read this as an urging to build CS, and if you do it means you didn't read and understand any of what I just wrote.
DO NOT BUILD MORE CS.