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Dissident

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Sep 19th 2015, 2:44:15

actually, im looking through my PMs about this with elves. he immediately messaged me after explaining himself to me. id need his permission to post what the conversation looked like.

so, just wait for it.

Celphi

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Sep 19th 2015, 2:48:47

There's perhaps only a handful of people who know how LGing works. I know because of Enshula's data & help. In fact, I've made a program which calculates almost down to the acre.

And I'm referring to LGing (which includes a player's DR). Qzjul doesn't provide the formula, but with reverse engineering, it wasn't too hard to figure it out.

Edited By: Celphi on Sep 19th 2015, 2:51:44

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Dissident

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Sep 19th 2015, 2:51:56

i think we are talking about different things. You're talking about the formulas behind landgrabbing.

i'm talking about the real landgrabbing before ghostacres where you struggled with blood to gain your 30-40k acres through bottomfeeding and retaliations. Back when it actually took WORK to get a good final networth. Now it's all about landtrading and helping others to get fat from ghost acres.

so no... you don't know anything about landgrabbing.

Celphi

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Sep 19th 2015, 2:54:52

Ask anyone in alliance. I don't landtrade.

And what's this nonsense before ghost acres? You're saying all networths post-ghost acres are phony?

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

DruncK

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Sep 19th 2015, 2:57:20

Ghost acres help relieve butthurt and I am not understanding why people throw such fits over a few land grabs.

Celphi

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Sep 19th 2015, 2:57:31

Ghost acres have been around since the beginning of EE and was even in e2025 for a little while.

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Dissident

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Sep 19th 2015, 3:01:53

Before ghostacres were implemented into the game to curb membership decline.

Dissident

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Sep 19th 2015, 3:04:03

maybe you don't realize that I have played this game for 10 years before ghost acres were applied to the game.

Celphi

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Sep 19th 2015, 3:07:24

Dude, you're getting your concepts mixed up. Ghost acres have been around for a long long time. Well before EE...

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Celphi

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Sep 19th 2015, 3:10:01

Adding ghosts was one of the best functions added to the game.

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Dissident

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Sep 19th 2015, 3:13:57

the formulas for ghost acres have changed a LOT since then. They only really had an impact for topfeeds.

ghost acres were negligible for bottomfeeding and midfeeding... so they may as well not have been there.

EE originally didn't have them but qz introduced them later to curb membership decline.

My original post about you not knowing anything about landgrabbing stands... because you've never actually done a full set of landgrabbing.

Dissident

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Sep 19th 2015, 3:19:32

Originally posted by Celphi:

Ask anyone in alliance. I don't landtrade.

And what's this nonsense before ghost acres? You're saying all networths post-ghost acres are phony?

Of course you don't landtrade... you are allx

Celphi

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Sep 19th 2015, 3:19:43

I don't know about LGing, yet I know the formulas & you don't.

Yeah- that makes a lot of sense...

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Dissident

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Sep 19th 2015, 3:22:38

ok then. Lemme go look up your attack numbers in alliance or team or express to see what percentage you have... and how many attacks youve made in all time.

Celphi

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Sep 19th 2015, 3:23:49

@Dissident:
I'm not all-x either. Where are you getting your facts at dude?

http://earthgraphs.com/...rygraph=alive&page=12

Where do you see Landtrading or X-ploring?

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Dissident

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Sep 19th 2015, 3:26:27

wow... you're actually playing the game like a human being for a set. I stand corrected.

but i still don't see any "Celphi" on http://www.earthempires.com/...iance/leaderboards?type=8

what number do you rank?

Dissident

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Sep 19th 2015, 3:27:59

did you grab any real players while you were at it?

Dissident

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Sep 19th 2015, 3:31:46

i mean, i seriously want to know your credentials. atk success%, number of atks, all that stuff.

because without those, your words don't mean a whole lot.

i can read a whole bunch of books on brain surgery... it doesn't make me a brain surgeon.

mrford

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Sep 19th 2015, 3:32:31

Originally posted by Celphi:

Ghost acres have been around since the beginning of EE and was even in e2025 for a little while.

False.

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[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

Celphi

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Sep 19th 2015, 3:32:54

I've played ALLIANCE 3x-4x so I highly doubt I'd be on boards.

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Celphi

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Sep 19th 2015, 3:34:21

@Ford:
I don't mean literally day 1. I'm referring to the beginning; because, I know that's what you're trying to gig me on. That's the only time you fire your sniper rifle.

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Dissident

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Sep 19th 2015, 3:36:20

Celphi. the Leaderboards go all the way down to tied for 3356th (zero).

so ya... you're on there... but the name Celphi sure aint.

Dissident

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Sep 19th 2015, 3:40:40

*crickets*

DruncK

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Sep 19th 2015, 3:41:49

If you were good at grabbing you would be near the top for attack %

Celphi

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Sep 19th 2015, 3:42:05

I have my rankings anon. So they won't show. There's an exploit to see a player's current country when you make it visible. Which I will not explain how it works either.

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Dissident

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Sep 19th 2015, 3:49:15

ok, then just feed us the numbers.

Celphi

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Sep 19th 2015, 3:53:21

I'm not sure what the objective here is... I've played 3-4 ALLIANCE sets so there's nothing worth really observing.

I just linked you 1 of 4. There's almost 1300 attacks in that set alone.

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Dissident

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Sep 19th 2015, 3:54:34

believe it or not, there is value in that information for me.

Celphi

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Sep 19th 2015, 3:57:29

To put 1300 attacks into perspective:

MrFord:
Attacks 16,520 #34

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Dissident

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Sep 19th 2015, 4:07:42

http://www.earthempires.com/profile/4362/alliance

this you?

mrford

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Sep 19th 2015, 4:15:17

Originally posted by Celphi:

@Ford:
I don't mean literally day 1. I'm referring to the beginning; because, I know that's what you're trying to gig me on. That's the only time you fire your sniper rifle.

Lol, beginning doesn't mean day 1
Good to know.

Do you believe your own bullfluff?

Swagger of a Chupacabra

[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

Celphi

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Sep 19th 2015, 4:29:47

@Dissident:
Lol, no. I have 0 deaths on ALLIANCE.

2 deaths on TEAM.
http://earthgraphs.com/...&num=13&reset=865
http://earthgraphs.com/...ll&countrygraph=alive

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ssewellusmc

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Sep 20th 2015, 0:42:58

Originally posted by Celphi:

I'm not sure what the objective here is... I've played 3-4 ALLIANCE sets so there's nothing worth really observing.

I just linked you 1 of 4. There's almost 1300 attacks in that set alone.

Derp.... don't run with scissors celphi. Might end up stain yourself in your over is by accident.

http://www.fugly.com/...you_an_idiot_sandwich.gif

DruncK

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Sep 22nd 2015, 10:25:17

When is the last time you were turned a pretty shade of purple Mista Ford?

mrford

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Sep 22nd 2015, 10:34:16

Me? I have only ever been deleted once, about 14 years ago, and it was an error in the EC moderation script. I was not cheating. I have never been purples on EE.

I don't break the rules. And if I did, I'm not stupid enough to get caught.

Swagger of a Chupacabra

[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

SuperFly

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Sep 22nd 2015, 12:52:24

You know people get deleted for swearing and inappropriate messages a fair a bit and you are also turned into a shade of purple.
Mind you Tella has giving me plenty of warnings in the past about calling people fluffs and other not so nice words.
Hell once I ignored his warning and I was deleted over a nasty exchange of words with fatty cuz I kept swearing at him over his repeated topfeeds and BS land grabs on me.
Of course I pleaded for reinstatement but they told me to pound sand cuz Tella had warned me twice the day before

Edited By: SuperFly on Sep 22nd 2015, 12:55:35
See Original Post

DruncK

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Sep 22nd 2015, 13:02:19

Nice words are for pussies!

mrford

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Sep 22nd 2015, 13:17:38

I have never been deleted for trolling. I guess I'm not a bad troll.

Swagger of a Chupacabra

[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

SuperFly

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Sep 22nd 2015, 13:18:34

I like fighting words but them words get a playa deleted lol

mrford

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Sep 22nd 2015, 13:37:16

Don't cross the line. Once someone hints that you have, back off and take a different route. Super simple stuff.

0 purple countries on EE for me.

Swagger of a Chupacabra

[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

bstrong86

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Sep 22nd 2015, 16:24:15

Created a program to calc gains. Lol.

Way to be behind the curve there celphi. any worth while lgers alrrady have one and or short hand it in a matter of seconds.

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Celphi

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Sep 22nd 2015, 17:23:20

Wrong Bstrong. I'm referring to calculating LGing players who are in DR. Not DR 0.

The new DR system hasn't even been out that long, so to say it's been out a long time is already incorrect.

My program calculates DR based on exact times of attacks, not eestats DR (which is inaccurate).
Also, I highly doubt many people know the attack gains formula (which includes DR), because it took me awhile even after using Enshula's attacking data. Many of the programs out there use the old DR system.

Enshula does it all manually, whereas my program calculates all the best targets for a particular player including DR/networth/land/ect.

Edited By: Celphi on Sep 22nd 2015, 17:31:46

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mrford

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Sep 22nd 2015, 17:41:27

Is it as accurate as your building cost program?

Swagger of a Chupacabra

[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

archaic

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Sep 23rd 2015, 14:32:32

Originally posted by Celphi:

lol, we had several of these in PDM, first from Detmer, then BigBen, and finally the one Auspiggy wrote that was the most accurate and expansive. It could calc anything, not just landgrabbing - lemming calcs, SRs, SDI decay, DR (before and after DR nerf) it was flipping aces . . . 3 years ago.

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mrford

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Sep 23rd 2015, 15:44:44

He can slice bread cooler than you can slice bread.

Swagger of a Chupacabra

[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

Celphi

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Sep 23rd 2015, 16:11:42

@archaic:

You're still referring to the old system. The new DR system is 1 1/2 years old. So a 3 year old program isn't going to work.

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Celphi

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Sep 23rd 2015, 16:22:10

Old formula:
Landgrabbing Returns = (Target's Acres) * (NW bracket percentage) * (DR Factor) * (Military Strategy Tech) * (Tyranny 20% Bonus) * 3 (if PS) or 2 (if SS)

Old NW % || returns system:
NW % | | returns <0.30 | | 0.0031 0.40 | | 0.0077 0.50 | | 0.0122 0.60 | | 0.0168 0.70 | | 0.0213 0.80 | | 0.0258 0.90 | | 0.0304 1.00 | | 0.00350 > 1.10| | 0.0377

Old DR system:
Target has been hit 0-2 times in last 24 hours: 1.0
Target has been hit 3-4 times in last 24 hours: 0.8
Target has been hit 5-6 times in last 24 hours: 0.5
Target has been hit 7-8 times in last 24 hours: 0.33
Target has been hit >=9 times in last 24 hours: 0.2

Qzjul posted the new DR system, but not the NW% || returns formula. Enshula did a massive # of attacks to get the data and I created a program from it.

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