Ohhhh, you're whole 'YOU POST TOO LONG, I NO READ' schtick was to ruffle the feathers of someone you didn't know?


That makes perfect sense. I totally believe you.



Also, I'm a big fan of people calling me uneducated while stating my three paragraphs are too much to read and ending every sentence with lol. You're doing a great job of making yourself look soooo much more educated lol. See how dumb this looks lol. You look dumb lol.

I'm not looking for approval. I'm seeking to understand your position, and from your previous post, it seemed to me that you were agreeing with what I said. Thus I asked for clarification.


You know this whole 'I'm a sheep' thing is overused, right? Like, it's a thing a WHOLE BUNCH of people say to show just how much they are rebels and free thinkers, while getting their ideas from other people whom they agree with ideologically. But they are still getting their ideas from others.


And that's ok. All humans build upon the ideas of other humans. It doesn't make you a sheep, that's how human progress has occurred. If we didn't build upon the ideas of others, we'd all be rediscovering fire right now, rather than talking fluff through fluffing wires tens of thousands of miles away from each other.

The "I'm not a sheep" card doesn't make you seem as cool as you might think. It makes me think you are, actually, just a sheep. You're just a sheep in the camp of shepherds who are telling you to hate all the other sheep in the other shepherds camps (or farms? Yea, farms works better for this analogy).


But go ahead, call me a sheep. It's really hitting me where it hurts... I feel so burned right now.

Bro. I get it. You're not reading my posts. NOBODY CARES. You're adding nothing of value here. GO post in the bonus thread or something. Have a conversation with ChatGPT. Maybe talk to a wall. All of those are going to bring as much value to everyone as your posts here bring. Which is to say, none.


Oh I'm sorry. Was that paragraph too long for your little brain too?

So we agree?

KoHearts - what in the motherfvck are you talking about?


Holes in my logic, where?

I'm not going to spend the time looking it up, but I would be very surprised if there wasn't a VERY high correlation between not finishing high school and not achieving as much in life. We could have a very good debate about what exactly intelligence is, and how that differs from education, and how both of those differ from 'street smarts', or whatever. But aside from the lunatics here that were apparently born in 1945, think hurricanes are caused by gay people, and want to hate on any scientific achievements anywhere, most of society would probably believe that finishing high school is going to correlate highly with being more intelligent, educated and street smart.


Go ahead and try to sell me on someone who can't read past an 8th grade level being a better thinker, generally speaking, than someone who has a few years of college under their belt.


Your argument should be that our education system needs to be better. And that colleges should be less expensive, and focus more on developing certain skills, rather than being an extension of an already lackluster high school curriculum.

But instead, your argument seems to be 'this isn't good enough, so people who didn't do any of it are just as well off as people who went through all of it'.


It's simply asinine.


No. You don't need college to be successful. And honestly, you don't have to have a high school education either. But both make it easier, as the statistics will very clearly show. And a lack of a high school education is a GLARING red flag that something went wrong in your life growing up. It may not be the case in every instance, but most people who don't finish high school don't finish it for a not good reason.



But if you really want to assert this anti-intellectualism bullfluff, and if you want to use the lunatic Elon Musk as your mouth piece. Go for it. You'll probably get a lot of support from others on here. Just because you're in an echo chamber doesn't mean your ideas are good ideas, though. It just means you've surrounded yourself with idiots.

Gerdler isn't even playing team silly.

I know who it is you killed. And I'm going to laugh when you finally find out. I'll tell you this... you're not nearly as in tune with what's going on as you think are you.

You suck at counting almost as much as you suck at this game.

So based on what you've said, you would contend that someone who failed high school would perform similarly on a math or reading exam as someone who is in college?


If that's your position, I'd say you need to think about things a bit more. I think your hatred for America, or our education system, is clouding your logic/judgement/brain.

I won't argue that America's education system could be improved. I also won't argue that just because you graduated means you are at a specific academic performance minimum.

What I will say is that, broadly speaking, graduating high school indicates a bare minimum of performance that has likely (LIKELY) been achieved.

And that, broadly speaking, failing to graduate high school likely (LIKELY) indicates a failure to meet some of those minimum standards.


In short, I think it's pretty dumb to assert that someone who is in college has similar academic/intelligence skills to someone who dropped out of high school, regardless of your thoughts about the quality of the American education system.

KoHearts - Are you trying to say that having a HS diploma is in no way an indicator of one's intelligence?

[quote poster=Requiem; 51599; 1006758]Link is a good dude. [/quote

Lots of high school dropouts are good dudes. I'm not disparaging him for his inability to read. He may be a nice guy either way.

Link, please tell me more how much you didn't read anything. I'm not quite sure I believe you yet. You need to say it 8 more times.

2005 Xbox 360 was all about that voice chat homie. I'm not mistaking EE for fluff. You're simply trying to play hard to get.


For someone who quote 'won't read anything' you sure are responding to a lot of what I write.


Quit being coy. I know you're reading it, you can't resist.

Problem is you're not witty enough to come up with anything other than "hurr durr, didn't read it".

So you keep repeating the same sad drivel.


Step yo game up. Come on up with something better. This is embarrassing. The people want a show, and all you're doing is rolling over and showing your belly.

It's a book, you idiot.

It teaches you how to read.


Are there any community resources you can reach out to that help homeless people and other disadvantaged individuals?

Alright perfect. I know how to proceed now.

Let's start with this.

Can you ask your mom to buy you something like this?

https://imgur.com/a/LC9f4GV

So wait, now I'm confused.

Did you read it, and you're just being obstinate. Or do you actually lack the ability to read... oh I don't know, approximately 25 seconds worth of text?

I genuinely can't tell. On one hand you're citing my text as being 'vomit', but on the other you're stating that you didn't read it.

I feel like you're acting like a teenage girl right now. I'M NOT TALKING TO YOU MOM **SLAMS DOOR**

Stop throwing a fit, act like an adult, and engage in a conversation here.


If you need a tldr for every post that requires more than 10 seconds of attention, I'm sorry, you're not going to get it from me. I'm a tough love kind of guy. You need to grow the fvck up and learn how to read.


If you are actually reading what I'm stating (hence the vomit characterization) than that's fine. We can go with that.

But pick a lane and then we can hash it out.

Is my writing awful, or are you unable to read it all? I need to know which argument you're going with here so I can respond accordingly.

Link - I get that you struggle with this, but try to keep up.

I didn't read any book, or suggest any book, on how to become a more well rounded person. I'm stating that reading helps you become more well rounded.

In addition to helping you strengthen your imagination, you'll also develop the stamina to read more than 3 paragraphs at a time, as well as develop a much stronger foundation for reading comprehension.

Those things would have saved you the embarrassment of not understanding what I wrote. Allowed you to access more of the world by being able to read things not on twitter, and maybe given you some enjoy with an enhanced imagination for what's possible.


Dream big little buddy. Start with pop up books and Dr. Seuss literature. But don't stop there. Goose Bumps, Diary of a Wimpy Kid, there is a plethora of content your little mind could comprehend as early as this year! No time to start like today!

That's cause you lack imagination. Read a book, you'll become a more well rounded person.

You're some cross server BS.

fluff you for trying to get bonus points from my thread!!

Who are you and what is your clan. You're next. And as you can see, I don't really give a fluff if you're a netter or not. Just as you sniff a billion NW, I'll rear my ugly face and make you scream my name. Once you're in the black hole, you never get out.

I'm the ultimate gravity, and you're about to cross the event horizon!

And I should add - a lot of my very specific questions don't get specific answers. I'm starting to wonder why.


Let me ask again, very directly.


If someone made tools that others used, and those tools could be used to access information that they wouldn't otherwise have access to, would that be cheating? (IRC, Warbots, GHQ, etc)

Why would I believe you that the tools are secure when I just believed that Coalie was on my side when he wasnt? Ya'll literally just told me to do a better job vetting people, and now you want me to just believe blindly that these tools are secure?


I would be a fool to believe you guys again.


And I didn't give any slippery slope fallacy. I asked specific questions.

You seem to want to give me, in particular, a hard time over logic and fallacies. I understand why, but if you're going to keep doing it let's at least do it correctly.

A slippery slope fallacy is one in which a person claims one event will lead to another, more extreme event.

I never said that I thought Coalie spying would lead to people hacking, or using tools, or doxxing people. To my knowledge, those things have ALREADY happened in this game. I'm asking if you all think various scenarios are cheating.


I'm happy to continue playing the logical fallacy game, if you want, Derrick. You'll learn that behind my passion and energy, I'm also not an idiot. And I can already tell you think you're just a bit smarter than I, and you are seeking to take little pot shots at me with these intellectual digs. If you're going to do it, you better make sure you don't make mistakes though.

The person who criticizes someone else's grammar better be spot on with their own. And the person who wants to call out logical fallacies all day better actually understand the logical fallacies they are going to invoke.

Well actually, I still don't know on some of those hypotheticals.

If it cheating if someone uses tools outside the game that other players use, to steal information?

This is a legitimate question I have. I would consider it cheating.. but based on these conversations, I don't think you guys do?

Got it. Now I know.

Ahhh, you're the one that I screwed up big time then. Cost you the billion mark. Sorry dude, you were very close.

I'm not making light of anything, I'm asking a freaking question.

And symba, chill with the bravado for a moment bud. I get you're a tough guy. You've proven that in game, you don't need to low-key threaten me when I'm making it VERY clear I think the hypotheticals I raised were awful.

But I'm asking a question. And you've ignored a few of them, anyway. Where is the line? Lying is ok. Creating fake profiles is ok. Creating fake discords is ok. Is gaining access to systems ok? Gaining access to personal information? Leveraging that info?

Where IS the line? And how is that decided? And where is that written down?


From my perspective we've already crossed that line. From all of yours, we haven't. So I'm asking for clarification as to where the line is now.

To be fair, if the guy I'm responding to up above is Swamp Guardian... the second set of land grabs I did on him he only has Mercs to blame for. So maybe you should be apologizing too, lol.

So what you're saying is that I should look for ways to infiltrate Darkness/Mercs and whoever else, outside the game?

Let me ask you where you draw the line, because I'm genuinely curious.

If I made fake tools that I distributed and people used, but I could access them, would that be cheating?

What if I found a loophole that allowed me to view information in my browser that I shouldn't have access to. Would that be cheating?

What if I found a glitch in the game that allowed my spy attacks to be more effective. Would that be cheating?

What if I found out where someone lived in real life, and explained to them that I knew where they lived. Or outed them to other people. Would that be cheating?

What if I started calling someone's place of work to annoy them, or maybe got them on the phone with a 'work call' while my team hit them, so they couldn't wall. Would that be cheating?

What if I ordered pizzas to their house from a fake email address, and when I knew they were being delivered we started to attack. Would that be cheating?

I could go on and on, but I think you get my point.


Who gets to decide what is cheating and what isnt? Are these rules written down anywhere? If the rules aren't written down, and it's allowed unless it's specifically disallowed (like is the case here) I would bet that some of these examples I gave would not be considered cheating (or illegal, to the best of my knowledge), and thus you would say are part of the game.


I'd vehemently disagree. I think many of the things I described are absolutely awful. But they aren't cheating... I guess?

After the third or fourth land grab, I likely got intoxicated by the amount of land I was taking. It was addicting.

My apologies. Which country were you, btw?

Tertius - I disagree with you.

What Coalie did is far worse than what I did by running afoul the interference rules.


You're 1. Not calling Superfly out for calling me a cheater.

and 2. Undermining the actions that Coalie took.


He did not tell me who he was. He said he had played with Mercs before on other servers. I did not realize he was an active member of Darkness/Mercs currently.

Also, I don't know Coom. I know ya'll keep saying that, but you need to understand that not everyone here is privvy to the 20 year history. And its frankly ridiculous to think we could be. His usage of the Coom name should in no way have been something that I would have realistically been expected to know that it was Coalie.


The fact that you condone 'espionage' as you put it, is your own problem, not mine. And it's not one that I'm going to apologize for calling people out over.

Again, read my countless examples from other GAMES and why that would be considered cheating in any other game. Further, notice that EE already has a game mechanic for espionage. It's literally called spying. So what was done circumvented the game mechanic that already exists.


I won't apologize for calling Coalie a cheater for that, as I think it's obvious what his intention was.


If he REALLY wanted me to know he was Coalie, I think he could have made that very very easy for me to know. By saying "hey man, just FYI, I'm Coalie".


There is a reason he didn't do that. Why do you think that is Tertius?

@Everyone - I think having two threads is confusing. I wanted to make sure alliance knew of this information, as some of the events carry over here. But, I think it's probably less beneficial to have two open threads on the same topic now.


I'm going to stop responding here and hope anyone who wants to continue will move over to the team thread.

Cathakins, in particular, I hope you look over there. Please see my last reply to SFBob, as I think it is pertinent to what you just said and kind of addresses the same points.

Respectfully, Superfly, I don't think what we did was cheating. I think we crossed boundaries that we did not know existed. We both, repeatedly, asked for clarification on those boundaries so that we did not cross them. And we were met with resistance (ha!).

It's like a dog testing the invisible fence. He's trying to figure out where the boundary is. Just cause he got zapped a few times doesn't mean he's an asshole cheater. It means he's learning the boundaries. It'd be nice if someone could just show him the boundaries though, in clear/concise language.

FWIW - I believe I have a good understanding of those boundaries now.



Also - another server - but #51 and #18 should be getting deleted on primary. They just did exactly what I did to you on express, Superfly. I've reported them, still awaiting a result. I'm extremely curious to see if the rules are enforced consistently.

Sfbob - do you think it's possible that there is more than one party to blame here?

I'll readily admit that I am bombastic and definitely came on these forums to stir the pot. To be fair, I did it because I thought it would be enjoyable to all.

I gave Darkness a reason to war. I gave the outsiders a reason to care. I gave new players a reason to stick around the game. I created a situation that was interesting, or so I thought.

That was my true intention. Along the way, things went awry, obviously.


We can go through example by example, but that might take all night. In the end, I'll happily take the blame for some of it. I'm fine with admitting my mistakes, I'm not perfect.


But while we are at it, don't you think others should admit to their wrong doings? Superfly likes to throw around the word cheater toward me a lot, which I take issue with. I've never knowingly cheated. I've unknowingly run afoul of the rules a few times. I've griped about it, sought clarification, failed to get clarification, and griped some more.


I think not knowing where the gray ends and doesn't end is very different then purposefully lying to an entire group of people, concealing an identity, going as far as to use an alternative discord name to keep your secret, and then likely giving away information to the enemy (I have no direct proof of this, but it's the only conclusion I can come to).


Don't you think that is also wrong? Why do you want to hold my feet to the fire, but no one elses?


I'm here, admitting to my mistakes. Hell, Gerdler and I had a good fluffing screaming match at each other a few nights ago about the whole netting issue. It got pretty heated. Props to the dude for putting up with me. You know how it ended?


I conceded the argument. I'll provide the chat logs if you don't believe me. Or you can ask him.



So I'll happily get on here and agree that it's probably not the coolest thing to do to hit netters. I do have some opinions about how the meta of the game is in a state such that a particular style of play is even possible, but that's not really important. That meta exists and it's the state of the game currently, so I need to exist within that state.

I'll also admit that some of my rhetoric on the boards has probably crossed a line or two in terms of how personal and heated it got. Definitely one of my flaws, a bit too much passion. Gotta reign it in sometimes.



Now that I've done that, who else wants to step up and admit to their wrong doings?


SFBob - Is there more you'd like me to take blame for? Or does that cover it for you?

Coalie - You claim you were on our side, and everything you did was on the up and up. No foul play. All you did was hide your identity, for some unknown reason.


If that's the case then why are these the only three attacks you engaged in the entire set?

2023-01-28 15:06:19 GS 1969 CoomMobile (#47) RESIST Taker (#9) Freedom 1434C 618 F
2023-01-28 15:06:17 GS 1969 CoomMobile (#47) RESIST Taker (#9) Freedom 1462C 618 F
2023-01-28 15:06:06 GS 1969 CoomMobile (#47) RESIST Taker (#9) Freedom DH


That's it. In a war that saw us kill 8 or 9 people, and carried out thousands of attacks, you only made three attacks. And it wasn't even against Darkness.


If you were really playing WITH US, and not engaging in the cheating we all know you were, then you would have actually played with us. You would have participated in the war.


Otherwise, you weren't really playing with us, were you? You were simply in our discord, trying to act like you were with us, while you sabotaged our team, gave players bad advice, and fed information back to Darkness leadership.



The facts are damning, Coalie.

Super - you know the worst thing about you? You're a dishonest interlocutor.


Cuda — 02/11/2023 8:44 PM
I know you agree with me on this.
I get why they enforced the rule against me, like they have against you.
But it's a bad rule.
SuperGuy — 02/11/2023 8:44 PM
I have been deleted more times than you
Look at my profile
Cuda — 02/11/2023 8:44 PM
Oh I know. I'm not surprised I was deleted.
I'm just saying that they aren't understanding the rule.
SuperGuy — 02/11/2023 8:45 PM
Tons of purples in express for hitting people already at war



Cuda — 02/11/2023 8:45 PM
What's the difference then, cause I'm an idiot apparently
SuperGuy — 02/11/2023 8:46 PM
Primary everyone does 1 LG
2 LGs considered interference
Cuda — 02/11/2023 8:46 PM
So if I had hit you 1 time with a LG in express it wasn't interference?
SuperGuy — 02/11/2023 8:46 PM
Go read the threads
They have it all there
I already proposed all of your scenarios
Your boy Gerdler shut it down




You keep calling me a cheater, muddying the waters between what I did to get myself deleted and what Coalie did here. So let's address that head on.


I did what you've admitted to doing more times than me. You've admitted you've been deleted more times than me. You've admitted that you VERY RECENTLY had the same exact concerns and questions that I had.

You also know, because you were present for this conversation, that I've pleaded with the mods multiple times to get a thorough explanation of what exactly the rule is, so that I don't run afoul of it again.


You also know that the mods, publicly, have not given an extremely clear definition of what is considered interfering with a war and what is not.

SuperGuy — 02/11/2023 8:56 PM
Exactly I was gonna put to the test
And what did Gerdler say?
Cuda — 02/11/2023 8:56 PM
Well he said something like 'oh so you're gonna test the limits of the game
SuperGuy — 02/11/2023 8:56 PM
He will keep it in mind to delete me lol


You said you were going to put it to the test. Exactly what I got deleted for, because you also wanted to know the limits of the rule, and were the boundaries were.




All of this is irrelevant to the conversation at hand, except that it goes to prove that you are being dishonest in these conversations, and nothing that you say should be considered.


We are having a discussion about Coalie and Darkness cheating. As a way of defending them, you are calling me a cheater, when we both know, as is evident by our conversation history, that we both agree that what I did was not necessarily cheating, and you've accidentally run afoul of the rules even more than I have.


You're purposely being misleading to try to win the argument and claim that Coalie and Darkness weren't actually cheating, by making it seem like I'm a worse cheater, which you know isn't even true.

That's pretty low.


You want to argue with me, do it honestly. Take cues from Derrick. He at least has the history argument to fall back on to justify this cheating. You're just being straight up dishonest, and I'll continue to tear you apart for it as long as you continue to do it.

Derrick - SFBob -

I know ya'll would try to claim it's part of the game. I was told not to bring this to the forums for that very reason.

Just because others have done it before doesn't make it not cheating at a very basic level.

I'm glad we can all agree on what's happened, I thought that was going to be the hard part. Getting Coalie to admit to what he did. Since he's admitted it, I only need to show why it is cheating now. So let me try again.



We are playing a game. Games have rules. Chess, Hide N' Seek, Football, Connect 4, Trivia Games at the bar. They all have rules.


And you play within the confines of those rules. You play with the mechanics of the game, the way they were built.



Pick any game you want. And let's lay out this exact same scenario.

If we were playing a game of risk. And teams developed in the game. And the players split into two sides, you might have people making arguments for why you should join one side or the other, you might have people switching sides within the game. That's all fine. You might have people backstab others. That's fine.

What you wouldn't have is someone creating a fake phone #, pretending to be someone he's not, and then using the information he gained that way to his advantage.



Pick another game. You're playing basketball. You don't have one person assuming a fake identity, joining the coaching staff of another team, and then using that info to benefit the first team.


Pick a third game. Let's say you're playing chess at a high level and preparing for your match in a championship. You wouldn't hide a video camera in the other teams facility and record them practicing their openings. That fluff would get you banned from the sport.


fluff, let's pick a fourth game from my example. You're playing trivia at a bar. And you decide to impersonate a bar employee to get access to the questions ahead of the game. Cheating.

Or maybe you are playing a virtual game of trivia. And you create a fake virtual profile, join an opposing team from all your friends, and then purposefully give fake answers and sway the team in the wrong direction. Also cheating.

It's PLAINLY OBVIOUS that this is cheating. Any reasonable person would see it as such.


Why are all these things considered cheating in all of these examples? Because it violates the spirit of the game. There is no part of this game that involves me running discord profiles past IT departments to check the veracity and history of said profile.


This 'it's espionage' is completely ridiculous. You want espionage? The mechanics for it exist right there in the game. There are 30 fluffing espionage acts you can take. Including LITERALLY spying.


Spying outside the game and circumventing the rules and mechanics of the game itself IS cheating. Ya'll may be able to sit here and tell me the history of the game, or why certain strategies work better than others. But this.... this isn't something you can lecture me on. This is basic common sense.

It IS cheating, plain and simple. Just because you all accept that you're going to cheat doesn't make it not cheating, it just makes the community toxic AF.



Beyond all that - EVEN IF you wanted to claim it wasn't cheating (which it is)....

Why in the world do you guys feel the need to pull this crap against an alliance of NEW PLAYERS. You knew from the get go you were going to win the war. We didn't even know HOW to war at the start. But you still thought this was necessary?


Ya'll lectured me up and down this board about making the game fun for others. I got lectured about not ABing people out of protection, as it makes the war a slog and it makes people not want to play. I've been lectured about not hitting netters, cause it'll just drive them out of the game. I've been lectured about not suiciding, cause it's just ruining the game for other people. And rightly so. All those points have validity to them, to an extent.


But you're going to claim that creating fake discord profiles, lying about your identity, misleading other players outside the game, all of this... That's not ruining the game for other people? You're going to try to sell me on THIS being ok, while all the previous things I mentioned, things that are literal mechanics of the game is not ok?



Derrick - You're going to have to do a whole hell of a lot more explaining if you expect me to buy that. Please square that circle for me, cause I can't see how there is any logical consistency to any of that.

If you had nothing to hide. If you were completely being honest and upfront about everything. You had no ulterior motives. Why did you join with a discord profile that wasn't the one that identified who you were in game?

Why hide your identity?


The answer is because you had something to hide.


fluff bro. It's pretty obvious. No one is going to believe a thing you're saying right now when your actions show that you were acting untoward.


You cheated. You know it. I know it. We all know it.

It's a shame, we could have had so much fun with our wars. I was looking forward to getting my boys up to speed to give you all some real competition.

I never knew we were playing this type of game though. Next thing I know people are going to tell me that hacking others is part of the game. Or doxxing people IRL, which I've heard has happened before.

A bunch of fluffing degenerate cheaters this game has, apparently.

And I think it's fluffing fresh you're trying to call me a liar.


You're the one who HAS ADMITTED TO BEING A LIAR AND A CHEATER.


The only thing I'm guilty of is getting confused about who is trying to sway me to do what.


You fluffing created a fake discord profile to infiltrate our alliance. But I'm the liar?!?!?!?

How in the hell does that make any sense.

We gonna do this in two threads? That's fine.

Here's the logs from me and Gerd, where i thought he was trying to manipulate me into hitting Tmac. You'll notice he never actually asks me too. I misinterpreted it cause I thought he was manipulative initially, which is what you told me, Coalie.

Cuda — 02/03/2023 9:52 PM
They actually brought me onto their team a few weeks ago to teach me. But then kicked me after a day cause I was talking fluff to Darkness in team on the forums.
So that made me mad, cause i'm a cool guy and was gonna be loyal to them on 1A
Gerdler — 02/03/2023 9:54 PM
there are ways
Im just saying that hitting omega and not hitting evo is like giving the win to evo and tmac lol
he doesnt have defense either
you really cant play with defense when netting to be fair. because if you do it means you have too much NW to hit a bot
once you got 300k+ acres and decent tech and like 15m jets you are past the humanitarians range of most bots usually. the difference this round is everyone including laf especially is at war so no one is hitting the bots and theyve grown to epic proportions
Cuda — 02/03/2023 10:01 PM
Ahh, I see what you're saying.
I'm not sure who I'm going to hit next, if anyone. I just wanted some more land too. I only had 11k land but like 28mil nw. I needed more land





Now that that's settled, you gonna take responsibility for your cheating? Or do you expect us all to just gloss over that? Trying to shift the conversation to whether or not Gerdler wanted me to hit someone. Like that's even at all relevant.

YOU CHEATED.



That's the problem here.

Love discord - found the logs. Check the date, you'll see it's prior to the conversations you've screenshotted. All you've proved is that I did a fluffty fluffing job of interpreting what Gerdler was saying to me, likely influenced by the fact that everyone told me not to trust Gerdler and that he was manipulative.

You know who told me that a lot? Coalie. And I believed him. Cause he was a vet in our alliance helping us out, allegedly, all set. I had no idea it was him, being a cheater, and trying to mislead me.





Cuda — 02/03/2023 9:52 PM
They actually brought me onto their team a few weeks ago to teach me. But then kicked me after a day cause I was talking fluff to Darkness in team on the forums.
So that made me mad, cause i'm a cool guy and was gonna be loyal to them on 1A
Gerdler — 02/03/2023 9:54 PM
there are ways
Im just saying that hitting omega and not hitting evo is like giving the win to evo and tmac lol
he doesnt have defense either
you really cant play with defense when netting to be fair. because if you do it means you have too much NW to hit a bot
once you got 300k+ acres and decent tech and like 15m jets you are past the humanitarians range of most bots usually. the difference this round is everyone including laf especially is at war so no one is hitting the bots and theyve grown to epic proportions
Cuda — 02/03/2023 10:01 PM
Ahh, I see what you're saying.
I'm not sure who I'm going to hit next, if anyone. I just wanted some more land too. I only had 11k land but like 28mil nw. I needed more land

I'm glad the truth is coming out. And I'll happily address that.


1. Everyone was claiming I was a puppet. Everyone told me Gerdler was manipulative, as you can see I referenced in my messages. It's possible that I was misinterpreting what Gerdler said to me, and thought he was trying to talk me into hitting Tmac.

I think in reality what happened was that I misinterpreted his telling me about Tmac breaking the NW record, and explaining why it was going to happen, as him trying to coax me into 'doing him a favor' without him actually asking me.

In hindsight, my interpretation of those conversations was probably incorrect.

I don't recall him ever explicitly asking me to attack Tmac.

But you know what, now i'm curious. And if he did, I'm going to post those logs. I have nothing to hide. This isn't about me or my wrong doing.

If you're trying to 'gotcha' me by saying someone else also tried to do what you guys did... fluffing have fun with that. Maybe Gerdler is just as manipulative as you guys.


But you know what. None of that excuses the fake discord profiles. The cheating.


Ya'll want to focus on if Gerdler wanted someone to hit Tmac. Who gives a crap about that. That's not relevant at all. What's relevant is how much ya'll are cheaters and hypocrites.

Gerdler actually never asked me to hit Evo or Tmac. Not once.

You a Darkness/Mercs guy? If so, this response makes perfect sense.


Ignore the blatant cheating and focus on the fact that I was swayed by people giving me potentially bad advice, on occasion.

Your story isn't even consistent here. You are tripping over your own lies.

You DID goad me into hitting Tmac. You knew I was friends with gerd, and by your own admission, you said that if you were friends with Gerd that you would hit Tmac. Ipsofacto, telling me that since I am friends with Gerd, I should hit Tmac.


Tmac - you're lucky I'm a man of my word.


As for the laughing and thinking it's hilarious... Go talk to the leaders of PDM. Go ask him if I'm the asshole you're making me out to be.

Doug, Leto, either of you want to chime in? Someone making some land grabs doesn't make them a bad person, and I'm sick of you trying to make it seem like I'm a bad person because I did some land grabs.


You know what makes you a bad person? Cheating. Creating fake discords. Misleading new players and giving them bad advice. Attempting to sabotage the game for other players.


I didn't do any of that. You did.

The only thing I'm guilty of is attempting to learn the mechanics of land grabs against larger countries, UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF A MERCS MEMBER.

For me, it was useful to see how much land/money I gained from land grabs against bigger countries. I'm not going to apologize for that. That's how you learn the game.


You know what happened when I did it though? Some people came and talked to me like adults. Others didn't. Why do you think I kept hitting Swamp Guardian and Evo, but didn't hit PDM anymore? Cause PDM treated me like a person, asked why I did it, and we had a great conversation.

Mercs on the other hand, not only didn't talk to me. Superfly assured me I wasn't going to get hit by Mercs. I gave him my word I wouldn't hit anyone else there.

And then after I did that, Evo/Mercs killed me.

Think about what you're trying to get people to believe, Coalie.

You've admitted to a fake discord profile.

Admitted Darkness knew about it.

Admitted you didn't tell us who you were.

Admitted you trash talked us on the forums.

But somehow expect us to believe you were doing this all just to help us become better players.


Those actions don't add up to basic logical scrutiny.

This is an interesting defense you've chosen to attempt to weave.


So you're admitting that the whole of Darkness knew of your cheating. And no one said anything.

Someone who is playing out of the goodness of their hearts to help others, doesn't feel the need to hide their identity.

You're going to expect the community to believe this story, when you've just admitted to a degree of deception that I thought no one in this community would stoop to? You created a fake discord profile, Coalie. You only do that if you have nefarious motives.


And I can't believe you just admitted to goading me into hitting Tmac too. I'm really stunned that you're just confessing to all these things and saving me the work of having to prove them.


You've relayed that conversation accurately. You said you wouldn't hit him. But you knew I was friends with Gerdler. And you said if you were friends with Gerd, that you would hit him. You tried to lead me there, without a shadow of a doubt.

It's amazing to me you've admitted to these things.


Yet somehow I'm the bad guy for doing some land grabs on a few people, when we have rampant cheating, deception, and more going on behind the scenes. I'm a boy scout by comparison to you guys.

And now I can't help but wonder how many other teams you've cheated against. Is that why most of the other 'challengers' as you put it, aren't here anymore? Have you guys cheated and harassed your way to the top by stepping on the heads of every new player who wanted to play this game?


There is nothing wrong with winning a war. It's how you do it that is problematic.

I wanted ot respect Darkness. I wanted to build my team to be like yours. Successful, dedicated, warmongers.

Now I want us to be nothing like you. Ya'll make it seem like I'm the bad guy here. Straight up hypocrisy and gaslighting. And it's all been exposed. You can't even fluffing deny it.

You cheated. Against newbies.

You have no right to brag about anything here. If anything, you should be apologizing to the entire community for running new players out of the game BY CHEATING.