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Feb 2nd 2014, 7:20:55

Originally posted by crest23:
I find it just dumb if you have to do the same thing everyday and you don't figure to automate regardless of how simple and insignificant it is for you. I fail enough already when I forget I'm hitting a dict or to add the defense bonus to risk making a mistake using Google? Seriously? Windows/Apple calculator? Are you kidding me?


I don't use apple or windows calculator.

Google is a good one, because you can edit the formula and double check if you entered a number wrong. It's the same thing with using a spreadsheet. It honestly takes longer to load Open Office or Excel (and you need to have the file too) than to type the formula. It doesn't have any chance of a mistake any more or less than entering numbers in a spreadsheet.

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Feb 2nd 2014, 7:23:19

Originally posted by eManny:
I have my own question, can anyone point me to military (e.g. troops, turrets...) loss calculations when getting grabbed?


It's a bit random. There seems to be a random factor to it, giving a range of 3-5% losses, on top of the modifiers such as the attacker's strategy tech(?), defender's medical tech, and the NW ratio between the 2 countries, and the 2 countries weapons tech.

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Feb 2nd 2014, 15:14:52


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http://www.earthempires.com/...mp;page=0&highlight=2
I have 99.27% attack success. The fails are almost always because I sent a SS instead of a PS, or the target came online at the same time I hit.
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Most of my fails is that I forget an input: (govt bonus, weapon bonus, my own wep tech, etc...)

I rush through it a lot, sometimes you see me grab countries seconds apart, lol :)

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Feb 2nd 2014, 16:30:47

bonus

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Feb 2nd 2014, 17:00:25

My attack success is ranked #9 and it's 98.29% which I doubt is a real statistical departure from anyone rated higher. Was 65/66 last set (one guy jumped when I attacked), and was 69/69 the set before that, etc etc, I had 4 fails in my first set that probably drag me down.

Originally posted by eManny:
If I was to guess I'm usually pretty conservative because I'd rather have big losses than miss the attack.
So I assume 0.7 Turrets / NW

If the guy has 5M NW I assume 3.5M Turrets. It's a rule that works 99% of the time, as only 1% of the time someone has more than 0.7 T / NW. If you want to be less conservative you can assume 0.5 T / NW and it will still work 90% of the time. But logic changes things a bit, for example, if he's made big grabs he's obviously mostly jets or whatever so that changes things. But usually when bottom-feeding these guys don't have much offense.
Does this mean you're attacking blind?
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Feb 2nd 2014, 17:20:44

Originally posted by Xinhuan:
Originally posted by crest23:
I find it just dumb if you have to do the same thing everyday and you don't figure to automate regardless of how simple and insignificant it is for you. I fail enough already when I forget I'm hitting a dict or to add the defense bonus to risk making a mistake using Google? Seriously? Windows/Apple calculator? Are you kidding me?


I don't use apple or windows calculator.

Google is a good one, because you can edit the formula and double check if you entered a number wrong. It's the same thing with using a spreadsheet. It honestly takes longer to load Open Office or Excel (and you need to have the file too) than to type the formula. It doesn't have any chance of a mistake any more or less than entering numbers in a spreadsheet.

http://www.earthempires.com/...mp;page=0&highlight=2
I have 99.27% attack success. The fails are almost always because I sent a SS instead of a PS, or the target came online at the same time I hit.


I have the file on Google Drive and while I was in Nigeria last week used Google Sheets in lieu of Excel. Didn`t have my dual screen though :( Having to tab between screens was a drag.
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Feb 2nd 2014, 17:30:38

On an iPhone I screenshot my ops so I don't forget the bonus%, or ally country #'s, and just swap back and forth to my calculator. It's easy enough to just plug the #'s into a calculator instead of a spreadsheet. Even if I do have a comp available I use my phone now. I'm just used to it.
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eManny Game profile

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Feb 2nd 2014, 19:17:38

Blid: No, it's not what I was saying.

Let's say that you spy on some guy and both D allies are outside 1/4 range.
You can't spy them, so I have to guess what their turret equivalent count is, and I use a conservative estimate of 0.7 T/ NW, unless logic indicates otherwise... (Such as them performing topfeeds or whatever...)

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Feb 2nd 2014, 19:32:35

Ah, it's for that, then. I thought you were saying you did it to begin with on the actual target itself. Yeah, it's not bad to make conservative estimates on d-allies because it's divided by 4 anyway. I like when I have saved ops to help me with that. I save every op and wish I could just set them to save by default instead of having to click the save disk by every country.

Edited By: blid on Feb 2nd 2014, 20:08:22
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Feb 2nd 2014, 19:53:18

Originally posted by blid:
I save every op and wish I could just set them to save by default instead of having to click the save disk by every country.


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eManny Game profile

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Feb 2nd 2014, 20:40:14

That's true.

Sometimes though if the D sucks and he's got a 100SPAL I just double him up and PS away.
I mean, the difference between like 1.3M and 1.5M isn't worth the headache.

It's a judgement call...

EDIT: The rule of 0.7T/NW only applies to non-repubs and also those who don't have a 0 SPAL. From the data that I've collected high spal reduces the T / NW below 0.7T/NW 99% of the time. I hope it makes sense... can't always put it in words lol.

Edited By: eManny on Feb 2nd 2014, 21:36:51
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Serpentor Game profile

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Feb 3rd 2014, 9:15:13

Speaking of calculations...I just calculated my hours of work this week, and it seems I've worked 85 hours in one week...well actually in 6 days, as Wednesday I got a day off and slept all day. Lol

My paycheck is going to have a lot of OT on it. lmao!!!

BTW, go Seahawks!!! What an annihilation.
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Feb 3rd 2014, 16:45:45

This set totally sucks to be a farmer. I've been waiting for he price of bushels to go to a reasonable level for a month now :(

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Feb 3rd 2014, 19:22:01

The wait's always a month, isn't it? Then techers start stocking and cashers start rising and food prices hopefully go up.
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Feb 3rd 2014, 19:23:26

In that case, every set must suck to be a farmer :(

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Feb 3rd 2014, 19:23:49

Nah cuz then prices can go quite high.
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Feb 3rd 2014, 19:24:48

In about 1 hour would be good.

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Feb 4th 2014, 0:40:48

Note: the first $39 bushels appeared at 20:21:29. Now they are at $45 and going up :)

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Feb 4th 2014, 3:47:41

Originally posted by Getafix:
Note: the first $39 bushels appeared at 20:21:29. Now they are at $45 and going up :)


Good! I'm fkn dying here lol
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Feb 4th 2014, 5:09:58

ppl gona start stocking , so naturally bushels are gonna go up.

i use excel to do my attacks.. unless i am on the road.. i use my phone.. which most of the time makes me DH.. @#$%

blid : 98%++ hit breaks/success ? WTF..

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Feb 4th 2014, 11:51:11

Originally posted by Getafix:
Note: the first $39 bushels appeared at 20:21:29. Now they are at $45 and going up :)


That's good news!

Well, at least for me and the farmers. :)

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Feb 4th 2014, 14:55:00

Man seems like every 9k guy I fix to grab has like 600k spies and I lose 100k spies trying to spy on them a few times.
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silentwolf Game profile

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Feb 4th 2014, 16:48:48

yeah i loose loads of turns on ops too..

what would be a good ratio to keep indy for non indy strat?

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Feb 4th 2014, 16:54:14

10%
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eManny Game profile

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Feb 4th 2014, 22:31:59

Blid: exactly.

Im pumping spies out of over 3k fukn idies and I still have a fluff SPAL.
No wonder people are MTing every freakin target with low SPAL....

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Feb 4th 2014, 23:11:34

What I hate is all the good CIs just go straight to the top. The rest of the commies are rainbows or farmers or oilers. I try to find a CI to hit to get some indies and they have messed up countries.
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Getafix Game profile

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Feb 4th 2014, 23:16:31

There are lots of very sad farms around :(

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Feb 4th 2014, 23:20:35

Hey Getafix, how much have you been selling your food? Especially yesterday,.
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eManny Game profile

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Feb 4th 2014, 23:23:54

Crest, It's really not so bad to build your own if you've got the economy.

For me it's defenetly not a monetary issue, I could run 5k indies but that wouldn't change the fact that half the countries in the 3M-5M range have a 60SPAL. It's also impossible to maintain that kind of SPAL when spying on 3-4 people a day + allies... So the natural convergence point is between 15 - 25 SPAL depending on luck even with 10% indies.

What's also interesting to me is that their ridiculous SPAL is preventing them from running a successful country. You cant prosper if you are losing -$1M/turn on 8k acres with barely any tech at all... And they keep generating more and more spies because they don't grab/spy/etc...

=[[


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Feb 4th 2014, 23:24:20

None. But I have a lot of turns saved up. I am an ever hopeful farmer

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Feb 5th 2014, 1:56:38

I've even seen a couple indy techers. Makes me scratch my head

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Feb 5th 2014, 2:16:08

Commies have a tech effectiveness bonus, lots of new people think that makes them the best gov type for teching
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Feb 5th 2014, 4:38:50

[12:36:14] <Market> Feb/05/2014 04:36:31 -- Bushels -- $40 -- 7,800,000 -- SO: No -- Remaining: 0 Bushels
[12:36:16] <Market> Feb/05/2014 04:36:33 -- Bushels -- $42 -- 6,628,323 -- Asking: $36 -- Trend: UP (was $40)
[12:36:18] <Market> Feb/05/2014 04:36:35 -- Bushels -- $42 -- 5,527,756 -- SO: No -- Remaining: 1,100,567 Bushels
[12:36:19] <Market> Feb/05/2014 04:36:35 -- Bushels -- $42 -- 1,100,567 -- SO: No -- Remaining: 0 Bushels
[12:36:21] <Market> Feb/05/2014 04:36:39 -- Bushels -- $45 -- 2,782,897 -- Asking: $36 -- Trend: UP (was $42)
[12:36:26] <Market> Feb/05/2014 04:36:42 -- Bushels -- $45 -- 1,429,432 -- SO: No -- Remaining: 1,353,465 Bushels
[12:36:27] <Market> Feb/05/2014 04:36:42 -- Bushels -- $45 -- 1,353,465 -- SO: No -- Remaining: 0 Bushels
[12:36:28] <Market> Feb/05/2014 04:36:44 -- Bushels -- $49 -- 1,000,000 -- Asking: $36 -- Trend: UP (was $45)
[12:36:29] <Market> Feb/05/2014 04:36:46 -- Bushels -- $49 -- 1,000,000 -- SO: No -- Remaining: 0 Bushels
[12:36:32] <Market> Feb/05/2014 04:36:49 -- Bushels -- $50 -- 20,499,999 -- Asking: $36 -- Trend: UP (was $49)
[12:36:33] <Market> Feb/05/2014 04:36:50 -- Bushels -- $50 -- 10,000,000 -- SO: No -- Remaining: 10,499,999 Bushels
[12:36:34] <Market> Feb/05/2014 04:36:50 -- Bushels -- $50 -- 530,573 -- SO: No -- Remaining: 9,969,426 Bushels


Someone is too rich!! pushing those bushels prices up like this.. $1.28b

Edited By: h2orich on Feb 5th 2014, 4:41:36
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Feb 5th 2014, 4:45:48

Originally posted by blid:
10%


10% is only good enough for the first 3-4 weeks of the set, after that you'll need at least 12-14%, sadly. Losing spies in a downward spiral. The more spies you lose, the worse your SPAL becomes, the worse your SPAL becomes, the more ops you fail, the more spies you lose.

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Feb 5th 2014, 4:59:47

Looks like a big techer started stockin'

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Feb 5th 2014, 5:18:34

Big techer, say 30k acres. Techs 54 turns and sells it all. That's 10,100 * 54 = 545k, * $1800 = $981m. So he could make $1.28b in almost just one day. Of course the amount that can be sold depends on how much the country had already.

However, it would be quite foolish to buy any $50 food. Just leave an SO out and keep picking up cheap stuff...
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Feb 5th 2014, 6:03:36

Its organic food mate. Plus fresh lobster, coffee, chocolate.. and soon there will be caviar and vodka. Don't be so cheap, you guys are rich!

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Feb 5th 2014, 6:44:02

I had to buy some 50 food. I'm pretty limited in my times to log in. Can't wait for an SO.
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Feb 5th 2014, 13:07:02

getafix runnin a farmer ehh hehe

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Feb 5th 2014, 13:26:22

Originally posted by Serpentor:
I had to buy some 50 food. I'm pretty limited in my times to log in. Can't wait for an SO.
I was talking about whoever did a food buyout, and apparently included 35m $50 bushels in the buyout. If I read that market paste out correctly.
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Cable Game profile

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Feb 5th 2014, 13:36:00

That's just dumb to stock at 50 and not use SOs.....Im not huge and I make 500 million per 12 hour rotation so 1 billion isnt hard to believe daily.

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Feb 5th 2014, 17:40:17

Demo farmer attempting to bring up food prices on his own?
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Are you guys stupid or what?

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Feb 5th 2014, 17:43:50

EFF ME! I entered an SO for $123 jets.. but I clicked bushels...
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eManny Game profile

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Feb 5th 2014, 18:41:45

I got lucky and bought @ $ 41

LATC: On the bright side, food prices aren't $122 :p

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Feb 5th 2014, 19:32:37

Originally posted by eManny:
I got lucky and bought @ $ 41

LATC: On the bright side, food prices aren't $122 :p



Are you dumb? He would have bought all the food for <123 until he ran out of cash...

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Feb 5th 2014, 19:34:01

eManny's post makes perfect sense...
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Feb 5th 2014, 20:01:47

Originally posted by silentwolf:
yeah i loose loads of turns on ops too..

what would be a good ratio to keep indy for non indy strat?


You should see my spy news, and my spal isn't all that tough either.
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Serpentor Game profile

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Feb 5th 2014, 20:14:06

I've got a 30 spal and fail lots. So over 30 would be best...lol

30 was sufficient in previous sets. Seems every few sets you gotta go higher and higher. I won't push much higher than 30 though. I need to spend those turns anyways, and I'd rather not have to produce more spies to get a few more 5 acre explore turns.
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Feb 5th 2014, 20:47:23

I wonder if they tweaked the spy coding, cuz ya it seems like its harder to break now for some reason, I don't even have much spy tech, 105% and spal of about 25 maybe less.
Mess with me you better kill me, or I'll just take your pride & joy and jack it up
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Feb 5th 2014, 21:03:33

It's weird, some days I get through on the first attempt for 30+ spal guys, other days I can't break a guy w/ 10 spal for a few turns.
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Are you guys stupid or what?