January Talk Thread - Earth Empires Forum

silentwolf

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Jan 28th 2014, 4:42:32

me asking for def ally here must have triggered the grab.

foolish of me.

i'll get back the acres.. one way or the other.

if ur reading this bibigon :).. buck up.

Yup. No point in trying to put policy on grabbing (TF or BF). You grab how you want, and others grab how they want. No point complaining how someone else grabs. If you get topfed on, deal with it how you see fit. It's every man for them self out here and nobody has to do as you do. Complaining about it here won't change anyone's mind either. Probably make them go TF harder actually.

There is always the random factor to this server ( earthquakes, mehul'd grabs, topfeeds, suicides, baiting for war, etc...). All you can do is try to get through with the least amount of it as possible, and finish as strong as you can with what you got to work with. Every once in a while, we all get F'd in one way or another. If you took all the random stuff out of this game, it'd just be a game of who can calculate to the highest number.... Boring!!!

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Jan 28th 2014, 13:24:02

Well I'm not talking about a policy, I'm just talking about how topfeeding is poor play for both parties involved, which it is. The response from you and LATC is basically people can do what they want, well fine, whatever, but if they're trying to net that's poor play. Also BiBi and CROATIA aren't usually pure topfeeders because most of the time they try to prevent the retal anyway.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Cable

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Jan 28th 2014, 16:42:41

Yah they are land thin because they spend 4 days turns restocking defenses and planning out there next hit while out running retals. Its definitely a dog eat dog game and thats what makes it fun, sept for the part where I failed a grab because I tried to use basic math on a guy I couldn't spy one of his DAs and didnt think he'd get doubled from him........ super fail :(

Serpentor

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Jan 28th 2014, 19:58:23

Ha, I've been playing very lax and careless so far. Probably another coasting reset. I bounced 3 grabs already by either mehul, or rushing through things too quickly and not watching my phone calcs close enough. I also didn't follow my normal schedule for grabbing/logging/buying tech. My Tech suffered early as I PS'd too much and didn't sell enough or log in enough to afford tech.

AHHHH another wasted 2 months. Oh well... Back to autopilot it is. Lol

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LATC

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Jan 28th 2014, 20:21:46

Originally posted by Serpentor:

Sooo a third place finish for you

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Are you guys stupid or what?

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Jan 28th 2014, 20:29:45

24 9 EEVIL WAR MACHINE (#6) 65,196 $98,876,361 CG

23 4 EEVIL WAR MACHINE (#31) 61,280 $107,005,167 CG

22 6 EEVIL WAR MACHINE (#10) 53,461 $98,822,970 CG

21 4 EEVIL WAR MACHINE (#21) 53,154 $127,615,630 CG

20 7 EEVIL WAR MACHINE (#17) 55,781 $103,476,058 CG

19 9 EEVIL WAR MACHINE (#80) 69,755 $110,835,939 CG

18 4 EEVIL WAR MACHINE (#88) 64,908 $126,145,549 CG

17 8 EEVIL WAR MACHINE (#75) 61,392 $124,315,591 CG

16 5 EEVIL WAR MACHINE (#16) 63,775 $109,717,370 CG

15 7 EEVIL WAR MACHINE (#85) 58,317 $108,352,614 CG

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

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Jan 28th 2014, 21:29:39

So, everyone that grabbed me before I started grabbing (haven't go grabbed since) is in top 25, I'm in 50 to 80 range, if and when I retal, will that be top feeding?

Mess with me you better kill me, or I'll just take your pride & joy and jack it up
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Jan 28th 2014, 21:38:45

No it will be a retal.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

KoHeartsGPA

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Jan 28th 2014, 21:43:59

Oh goodie, a painful one to them too :-)

blid

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Jan 28th 2014, 21:48:10

And a late one?

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

KoHeartsGPA

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Jan 28th 2014, 21:57:25

Originally posted by blid:

And a late one?

Depending on how fast I can grow.

blid

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Jan 28th 2014, 21:58:30

I just looked rank 50 to 80 and there's no country like you described - got grabbed then started grabbing and stopped getting hit. You're fudging the truth

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

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Jan 28th 2014, 22:03:09

Originally posted by blid:

I just looked rank 50 to 80 and there's no country like you described - got grabbed then started grabbing and stopped getting hit. You're fudging the truth

Wow, I just looked and dropped out of top 80 from my log out yesterday! I didn't get hit, did drop NW though.

eManny

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Jan 28th 2014, 22:38:55

Well, I think that those who war should find someone who wants to war.
It's not hard, look at a country that isn't in GDI :)

I think what most people have a problem against is those people who create a country for the sole purpose of top feeding a country that cannot possibly get their land back. Isn't there a morality issue there? It's like going out of your way to sucker punch someone, lol.

Anyways, what I do think though is that people who run all jetters or anything over 70/30 J/T probably deseve to get topfed simply because otherwise it's an easy path to victory. You can imagine that if topfeeding wasn't ever done, everyone would basically go 80/20 J/T.

Also, going 50/50 doesn't mean you don't get topfed. At this stage of the game anyone in T25 can produce/buy 5M Jets/day especially with bonus. So regardless of ratio you can get grabbed... and cannot really avoid a retal done against you...

Serpentor

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Jan 28th 2014, 23:49:55

Did I hit you?

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KoHeartsGPA

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Jan 29th 2014, 0:11:33

Originally posted by Serpentor:

Did I hit you?

Me?........checks news........nope :-)

Cable

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Jan 29th 2014, 0:55:54

Good luck KoH with your retals, players handle late retals doffrently on this server vs Express and each player had there own thoughts on it. I fly a 72 hour policy, if I can see the hit in the server news a retal is fair game. After that I'll likely PS multiple times and await attemps of Abs and GSs then continue netting.

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Jan 29th 2014, 0:58:24

Originally posted by Cable:

I'm aware, as are the people that know me of how I handle their handling, and if you think you will keep netting after you RoR me, you're in for a lesson in the art of war :-)

Cable

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Jan 29th 2014, 1:06:57

I dont need any lessons in warring, ive net through multiple wars on every server, Primary Aliance and Express, I won't teach anyone the ropes but theres no effective way to FS in primary, not enough to slow a country down 2-3 times your size.

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Jan 29th 2014, 1:34:14

Originally posted by Cable:

Ko's Rule #1 in warring:

Don't bite off more than you can chew.

nuff said.

Cable

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Jan 29th 2014, 1:59:15

Cables #1 rule

words are sh! t in the sand till someone actually does something. I'd love to see any player at 40% my NW war with me effectively.

silentwolf

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Jan 29th 2014, 5:47:03

uh oh.. did i hit u koh ?

KoHeartsGPA

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Jan 29th 2014, 6:14:52

Originally posted by silentwolf:

uh oh.. did i hit u koh ?

Uh uh, you didn't, only 7 hit me, 3 are in top 20. The others are dropping like flies....hmm, interesting, at time of their hits all but 1 was in top 25, wow.

grimjoww

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Jan 29th 2014, 14:21:25

is there a specific retal period in primary or you can just make up your own rules?

blid

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Jan 29th 2014, 15:20:52

There's definitely not a specific period so you can make up your own rules. I can tell you though that 72-hr is the "safe" retal period. If you retal within that timeframe you should not expect anyone to get mad. Several players are known to war over retals older than 72 hr. Most players will probably still let a retal go if it's past that because they don't want to face war by opening themselves up to a first strike. I think once you get past a week though, you're pushing the definition of "retal." Farmers get cut some slack here because the opening month of the game is brutal on them.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

grimjoww

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Jan 29th 2014, 15:39:34

i got retalled by a 2 week old grab :(

2014-01-29 13:35:14 PS Population (#56) Wrecking Ball (#109) 2259A (3212A)
2014-01-15 17:35:05 PS Wrecking Ball (#109) Population (#56) 121A (246A)

lame

Xinhuan

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Jan 29th 2014, 16:00:30

At least it wasn't 5 weeks old.

blid

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Jan 29th 2014, 16:32:52

Haha Population was a bad guy to hit but that is pretty lame since he probably could have retaled much earlier if he'd bothered to. Maybe the topfeed by Sons of Alberta that cost him a day of grabbing inspired him to get some acres from you

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

grimjoww

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Jan 29th 2014, 17:10:53

damn hahaha ill remember that name then lol

troes20

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Jan 29th 2014, 18:26:58

Just to clarify, the topfeed did delay the retal, but i looked to retal on 3 separate occasions before the topfeed and couldn't at all or couldn't without cashing almost all of my turns.

Was not at all trying to be a prick in delaying it as long as it got delayed.

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Jan 29th 2014, 19:09:05

Originally posted by grimjoww:

damn hahaha ill remember that name then lol

My targets are majority non GDI, its a safer bet to out run them, they also tend to get in wars more than GDI.

Cable

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Jan 29th 2014, 19:12:45

Originally posted by troes20:

This was me I would war you over this, "I couldn't retal without running turns," then sorry this is no longer considered a retal in my eyes. You should hav ran your turns and retaled ASAP or let it go, I took 3 hits from players last set. I could have ran turns to retal but outside the 72 hour mark... hell the one week if I really wanted to push the issue as I converted. Instead I let them go even though I COULD have hit them later on easily that would just be a douche move on my part. Thats just me buy if you wait that long to retal when you could have done it before I wouldn't be happy.

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Jan 29th 2014, 20:02:37

I don't know if I'd war over it but at a certain point it's time to let fluff go, imo. I mean, a 121 acre hit from two weeks ago... does it justify a 2259 (3212) hit today? Not really if you ask me but different people come up with weird views on this so I don't know.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

troes20

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Jan 29th 2014, 20:45:02

Like everyone has said in this thread everyone has their own retal/go to war policies.
I just don't feel that if you make a landgrab on a country with a slower starting strat, knowing they can't hit you back in the next couple of days or a week that you should be immune to retals further in the reset if that country catches up with you. If that were the case, CI's could hit any farmer or anyone doing a tech start without fearing any retals at the beginning of every set.

To Cable - It is funny just how different our policies are. Because you are more inclined to go war over a retal after 72 hours whereas I would be more inclined to go to war over a country that bought or produced all jets and has a 3 or 4 to 1 jet/turret ratio just to do a retal.

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Jan 29th 2014, 21:15:32

Cable doesn't like high jet countries either. He doesn't like retals in general. :) I think you make a good point about different strategies starting at different speeds. Still think at a certain point though it's just time to let old hits go unless they were particularly painful.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

blid

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Jan 29th 2014, 21:28:03

I had some guy retal me 30 days later with 3 days left in the reset a few rounds ago. I threw away a top 10 finish hitting that guy back. He wrote me an in-game msg calling me "blid" and never revealed his own name either. Coward & scum.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Cable

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Jan 29th 2014, 22:06:21

Originally posted by troes20:

Please read you own words then look at the time frame on that hit.

I don't like to be retaled but I accept them if its a reasonable retal. Two weeks isn't reasonable to me, nor like you said mostly jetters.

troes20

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Jan 29th 2014, 22:38:01

I had a dictator with high weapons/military strat tech attack me last reset with under a week remaining in the set and take 4-5k acres. This wasn't even a retal and at the time of the attack he had 20k less land than me. I didn't do anything because I wanted to see where I would finish in my first primary set since the 90's. I would never do anything like that guy did to you or what happened to me.

I just feel that if the person you attacked can catch up with you NW wise and not by having a crazy jet/turret ratio WHILE both countries are still growing/not stocking then they have every right to make a retal regardless of the land difference.
Just my personal opinion, which of course means nothing in determining what another country may or may not do.

troes20

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Jan 29th 2014, 22:42:13

Originally posted by Cable:

Originally posted by troes20:

It just comes down to what each individual person thinks is reasonable and in my post above that is what I think is reasonable. You have a different opinion which from what Serp said makes this game alot more interesting and not only about number crunching!

LATC

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Jan 29th 2014, 22:46:00

lol this guy:

2014-01-29 22:30:18 PS Bullfrog (#176) drinkin the hatorade (#168) 821A (1179A)
2014-01-29 22:29:46 PS Bullfrog (#176) drinkin the hatorade (#168) DH
2014-01-29 15:11:50 PS drinkin the hatorade (#168) Bullfrog (#176) 1797A (2550A)
2014-01-27 23:29:35 PS Bullfrog (#176) drinkin the hatorade (#168) 709A (1115A)

Wasn't a smart move the first time, why do it again? AND he failed his first RoR. Must have lots o jets if he's double PSing like that. *fuels up jets*

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Are you guys stupid or what?

koop

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Jan 29th 2014, 22:46:08

How about this for a retal policy. In Primary some guy hits me, I retal, he RoR's 2x. I throw him some AB's, he AB's my tourney country. (same names)

How much of a fluff do you have to be to retal in a different server?

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Jan 29th 2014, 22:49:17

A pretty big fluff. Esp. when it's his fault to begin with, heh.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Serpentor

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Jan 29th 2014, 23:51:42

Oh yeah, and I still believe the concept of a "Retal" is an alliance server thing.

In primary they are all just " grabs" not "retals".

If someone grabs me in week 1. I may use my one grab on them in week 4 or 6 when they appear to be a viable worth while land grab... It's not a Retal, its just a grab.

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LATC

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Jan 30th 2014, 1:18:29

^ I keep saying this. You just say it more eloquently =P

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Are you guys stupid or what?

blid

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Jan 30th 2014, 1:22:18

His posts are more eloquent because they don't include garbage phrases like "protect your land"

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Cable

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Jan 30th 2014, 1:31:54

Cross server retaling is for scum bag losers with no life. Ill be sure to follow your retal policy serp. Ill start stocking and look like a good target till I drop stock and retal... oh wait thats just retarded @.@

lenshark

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Jan 30th 2014, 1:49:45

Agrees with Serp. Have that kind of mentality different from Alliance, that is, treat each out-going non-special attack as a grab and leave the players handle it whatever suits them. That makes the server less predictable.

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Jan 30th 2014, 2:02:18

The way I look at this issue is quite simple, dont write checks your ass can't cash.

Serpentor

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Jan 30th 2014, 2:13:27

Lol yeah koh

Anyways cable, if you are high land and stocking, A land grabber would have to watch for that, and know you can destock or produce enough to hit him too. Its part of target selection when in that midfeeding period of the set. Also if you lay low and stock eventually you will have too many land grab exchanges with poor grabbers and eventually you would become a good target. That's when a smart grabber would choose to LG.

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