it became an issue when the pure netgainers wanted to be able to completely skimp on defence to get max NW.
YES, there is truth to the argument that it's virtually impossible with the way the game is structured to be impossible to grab (3 off v 2 def allies), BUT. If it's going to be moderately expensive to hit you, and there are targets that are going to give similar rewards for a lot less expenditure, guess who becomes the target?
In terms of outrunning retals, I personally am not completely against this, except in cases where the grabber is intentionally being a fluff.
Basically if you're unpacted, and you're grabbing, I'd expect you to try and out run. if you're on a grabbing pact, then no I wouldn't expect you to outrun. That doesn't mean that the person retalling has details of your breaks etc, just that you're not actively jumping to prevent the mutually beneficial retal.

LOL I knew it, Darakna is an NDBF. LOL, that's needle-fluffed bug fluffer for you uninitiated. LOL

there is no absolute argument in this, like how drow said, if you are not planning to follow the politics bound in the alliance game, be a douche and outrun by all means.. if you plan to maintain goodwill in a grabbing pact, be a gentleman and wait for a retal.. oh.. was I too harsh with the words?

yup. Otherwise it becomes too blurred as to what is a grabbing pact between friends - and what is a will retal.
Imho to a will retal it's ok to try and outrun the retal. It's the whole point of the game.

But to friends, it cheeses me off if I must sell turrets and convert to a jetter to retal your guy. That's just not cricket. And all of a sudden I don't see you as good of a friend as before.

have you not been playing the last few sets?

Nope havnt been playing. But just because the admins incompetence lead to higher nw's doesnt make the strategy good, the only difference is the few good players that are left took the lazy way out and did the same last set...

Fact is a good player could have just farmed all the landtraders and there would be nothing they could have done about it. Kinda annoying that they changed things now, I was considering grabbing to 300-400k just to piss people off...

don't worry SS, you piss people off whatever you do:P. And I don't play this craphole of a server either anymore. You should come to primary, there is a real server and challenge.

The name is Scarn. Michael Scarn.

Bend over, grab your ankles, and take the retal like a pretty boy in prison.

didn't read up at all. but there is a huge difference between spending a few days production to make the other guy pay a bit to get his land back, and using all your stock to outrun a single landgrab.

At this point in the reset, if you are not able to retal someone, you fail as a clan and have no "tag protection".

Archaic says: "Its generally impossible to outrun a retal from a midfeed target, all you're really accomplishing is hurting your finish and your targets finish by forcing both of you to buy a ton of military. Doing something that deliberately hurts both sides is spiteful and rude and hence frowned upon."

I completely agree with this... and more. When you boost your defence and try to outrun a retal, well... the retal returns scale to your nw. Any clan worth their salt will be able to retal you and you'll invariably lose more than you took. On top of that, youll have a ton of new military which makes it even more difficult for you.

people manage to out run retals all the time, thus you are wrong?

Says it like it is :o

Against established clans? When?

Have you never run into the Laf techer will retal farmers? They havnt done it recently but they did it all the time. Even to Evo. At a certain point in the set it becomes unprofitable to do it though.

As mentioned in this thread, some laf countries did it to evo last reset.

Also it depends, would you consider PDM established?

Outrunning retals, or even trying to make yourself annoying to retal, if done against an alliance that you are allied with, is most definitely wrong.

If you're not allied with the other alliance, then there's nothing wrong with outrunning retals.

I think dissident icn is purposefully being ignorant. He's made such a habit of saying incorrect things, that I have to believe it is intentional. It is well known that LaF's players outrun retals better than anyone else in alliance. It's related to why LaF players tend to do so well in primary - LaF players make up like half of the top primary players. LaF hasn't done it in a couple of sets, but dissident's memory has to be longer than just 3 or 4 months. Maybe I'm overestimating his intelligence, but I gotta believe that he knows that LaF has for about 15 years, had techers who outrun retals as well as anyone in the game.

i totaly agree with Scode and i've been on the receiving end of someon trying to run from getting retalled, it makes the game fun and with the mechanics of the game there is no way you could outrun a retal

LaF has done it for years. So why do you say it cannot be done?

Maybe his retal window is larger than 48 hours. Or 72.

Yeah, i did this, bought up a ton of def after a grab and ended dead since they couldn't legitimately retal me....panks

If you get SS, SG, Eug, (and any other top LaFer that I am forgetting the list is quite long) all allied together in a defensive ring. No one can retal them.

There is only a short period in the set where a select few countries in this game can "outrun" a clan in retals. You might be able to outrun a country... but that doesn't guarantee you can outrun a whole clan from a retal. So yes, it happens when a clan lets 5-10 retals slip through simply because LAF is too good with their techer reseller stuff early in the set, but after the second week, any clan worth their salt should be able to hold their own against the top countries on the server.