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hawkeyee

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Mar 23rd 2012, 4:05:01

Just posted my projected starting lineup for 2013:

http://teamman.ca/...ays-2013-starting-roster/

I'm hopeful that we pick up Joey Votto this offseason. He's going to want probably around 8 years, and AA doesn't like long contracts, but for a solid Canadian boy and with Rogers financing the move it could happen. Colby Rasmus is probably more likely to resign and start in LF over Jake Marisnick who may not be ready til 2014, but what the heck - gotta go with a few long shots right?

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Mar 23rd 2012, 4:09:09

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Mar 23rd 2012, 4:10:00

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Mar 23rd 2012, 4:28:34

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4BO26nqPmM

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Mar 23rd 2012, 4:31:33

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Mar 23rd 2012, 4:35:15

Go Mets!

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Mar 23rd 2012, 19:14:35

Red sox 100th fenway anniversary ftw!

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Mar 23rd 2012, 19:29:04

Go Cards!

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Mar 23rd 2012, 20:41:01

Eat em up, Tigers!

(and with Prince and Miggy, there will be PLENTY of feasting going on in the AL Central)

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Mar 23rd 2012, 20:42:38

Go Tigers!
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Mar 23rd 2012, 22:02:16

I like the tigers and blue jays both, but if they played in the ALCS sorry blue jays :/

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Mar 23rd 2012, 22:03:37

ps thats a fluff ass starting lineup. no way its that horrible

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Mar 23rd 2012, 22:04:00

the jays will trade travis snider for a major league ready 3rd starter

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braden

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Mar 24th 2012, 0:43:31

whose arm will fall off his body and we'll be stuck holding his contract, still with no third starter

we won the world series when i was six, and we'll suck until i die

(five hundred baseball is sucking, yes, unless you don't play in the al east, which we do..)

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Mar 24th 2012, 0:45:05

ps, lets focus on twelve before we speculate too much on thirteen.

votto and rasmus will both want to play with winning baseball teams, unless we pay them ninety million dollars in which case rasmus goodbye and votto welcome home!! (except he'll want a hundred and ninety million.. and even then, welcome home!!)

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Mar 24th 2012, 1:00:30

Sorry, but Votto wants to stay in Cincinnati and the Reds ownership is committed to making it happen.

Also, Votto still has another year on his contract after this year, so if it does happen this off season it will have to be via trade.

braden

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Mar 24th 2012, 1:50:31

which cinci would be dumb as fluff to accept

i assumed hawkeye was talking of ending contracts..

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Mar 24th 2012, 6:00:25

There's no way of knowing where Votto wants to play. Of course he's not going to go on record saying he doesn't want to play in a town when he's under contract for 2 more years. He's Canadian, and the prospect of coming home can be pretty appealing. Also, playing in a division where you play the Yankees 18 times and the Red Sox 18 times can also be appealing. Finally, playing for a team with as much depth and youth as the Jays can be appealing. There are a lot of reasons for Votto to come to Toronto. Not the least of which is Rogers' petty cash accounts.

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Mar 24th 2012, 8:51:32

How is playing the red sox and yankees appealing?

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Mar 24th 2012, 12:48:13

^^^ yeah.....that doesnt make alot of sense Hawkeyee...

And don't pull the "people want to play REAL opponents" fluff. No one wants 18 games against the yanks, the sox, and hell even TB on a streak.

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Mar 24th 2012, 14:20:23

I've seen a lot of interviews with players in the AL East that say they look forward to beating the Yankees or Red Sox, including players on the Rays, Jays and Orioles. Especially if you believe that the team can do it. You're too quick to dismiss the competitive nature of these guys. Some of them DO want to play and beat the best. Some of them are tired of playing in front of 5,000 fans each night.

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Mar 24th 2012, 14:53:22

Originally posted by hawkeyee:

The Blue Jays wont help them play in front of more fans and using evidence from people that HAVE to play them isnt good either :P I love the Jays but I bet you almost anything that if they could get their team a different division they'd do it in a heartbeat.

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Mar 24th 2012, 15:17:20

Votto is not a guy that likes the spot light. He is a very private person and playing before big crowds in Boston and New York would not be a selling point for him. For Votto, the more he thinks he will be left alone the better. The pressure and media attention of playing in his hometown of Toronto is probably more than he wants.

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Mar 25th 2012, 20:18:58

"You're too quick to dismiss the competitive nature of these guys. Some of them DO want to play and beat the best."

this might be true, but they'd still rather sign with the winning team. if the blue jays match every dollar, or even out bid, players would rather sign to winning teams outside our division, or the two or three winning teams in our division.

we can not win. the young talent argument is what people use when they have no good players, and then when they get good they get the fluff out of dodge :(

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Mar 25th 2012, 20:29:25

Originally posted by braden:

uhhh I would completely disagree here. Even the Yankees manager has said he expects the Blue Jays to join the Red Sox and them at the top by next season. The Jays have a very solid future.

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Mar 25th 2012, 20:37:15

how bout that young talent on the giants? ;)

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braden

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Mar 25th 2012, 20:45:13

yea, it took me twelve years to realize we're a hopeless cause, eventually the yankees manager will realize it, too. likely when he writes down fourteen of those eighteen games as more or less given

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Mar 25th 2012, 21:02:13

gotta keep believing, weedy

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Mar 25th 2012, 21:22:29

Henderson Alvarez = awesome
Brett Lawrie = awesome

Colby Rasmus = useless

Blue Jays will be pretty good, especially if Morrow can find a way to turn great stuff into results. I definitely hope Votto goes to the Blue Jays, because I'm a Cards fan. And Votto is damn good.

braden

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Mar 25th 2012, 22:58:56

you at least have andrew mccuthen :(

and i never said i wasn't a fan, i am just not fooling myself into believing we have much of a chance of bettering five hundred :(

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Mar 25th 2012, 23:14:35

Originally posted by braden:

you at least have andrew mccuthen :(

and i never said i wasn't a fan, i am just not fooling myself into believing we have much of a chance of bettering five hundred :(

We were 500 last season... how do you think that an improved pitching staff will finish below it? -_-

There is a difference betwen not letting your hopes get too high and assuming the worst :P

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Mar 25th 2012, 23:18:38

oh great, more claims suggesting an improved pitching staff. haven't been told this before..

lets go blue jays, i can not wait. but i'm not on the edge of my seat with suspense waiting for this tight four way battle for the al east that isn't going to happen :(

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Mar 25th 2012, 23:29:05

LETS GO EXPOS

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Mar 25th 2012, 23:29:45

Originally posted by braden:

Considering they had the most blown saves last year if I remember right and they picked up at least two relievers who had great years last year I can't see how you could argue it. Whether they will get to the playoffs or not isn't what I argue but their relieving is clearly better than last year unless these guys tank off of their previous history.

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Mar 25th 2012, 23:34:01

bj ryan.. fool me once and all that.. that is how i argue that particular point.

believe me, i want you to be right, i want to be dead wrong and have you come here and mock me up and down the thread when we have a stellar season :P

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Mar 26th 2012, 0:22:07

Yah, although if I remember right his main issue was injuries. Any improvement in relieving would improve their record though :P I want them to get to 85 wins and be in contention for that extra playoff spot in the last month. I'd be satisfied with that. 85 is only 5 more than last year so...

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Mar 26th 2012, 0:25:35

our pitching and the sixty day dl retroactively pretty much go hand in hand. henderson alvarez? his arm will fall off his body all leper like.. :(

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Mar 26th 2012, 0:26:27

and yes, i just want to attend a playoff baseball game. i don't think it's too much to ask

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Mar 26th 2012, 1:11:12

Braden - your view of the Jays needs to rub off on Leaf fans. Despite no results and no improvements, Leaf fans (myself included) are out planning the parade every September. In terms of the Jays, the last few years have been legitimately exciting. Our major league team has more wins than any other non-playoff team. We're the only team to have 5 of 6 winning records and not make the post-season. We put up 85 wins in a season where two other teams in our division had over 90. Yes, this is the toughest division in baseball and yes, we are still at BEST the 3rd best team so far, but you have to admit that the Jays have been moving up and up. The optimism surrounding this team is earned and perfectly justified and I'll bet that there are a bunch of managers in the American League praying that we don't somehow get that wild card.

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Mar 26th 2012, 1:12:24

By the way. I edited the article in my original post. I replaced Votto with Lind and added a paragraph explaining why I left off Rasmus, Snider, Thames, Cecil and Drabek.

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Mar 26th 2012, 5:17:00

Originally posted by hawkeyee:

espite no results and no improvements, Leaf fans (myself included) are out planning the parade every September.

I thought your parade was in the summer and had lots of rainbows everywhere? :-)

The Young talent arguement with the Jays is legit. Same as it is with the Leafs. The question is whether or not the teams properly develop it, and then whether or not the developed player remains in Toronto.

We are currently progressing as a team. This is usually difficult without a Steinbrenner chequebook. We aren't going 0 to 60 anytime soon, but we are climbing.

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Apr 2nd 2012, 3:24:17

The difference between the Jays and the Leafs is
- the Jays are acutally a decent ball club (most of the time), they are just kind of fluffed being in the same division as the yankees and the red sox who have a massive $$ advantage over them

- the leafs have that massive $$ advantage and have not been decent in the past 40 years. Hell, they haven't even made the playoffs in the past 6. In the NHL for a team with that kind of budget it's inexcusable really.

GIven the new ownership of the jays I suspect they are going to suffer the same fate as the leafs though:(

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Apr 2nd 2012, 4:49:52

The Jays have been killing the draft the past several years. They're going to be tough really soon. Just not as good as my sox. :P

This is our fluffing city. And no one is going to dictate our freedom. Stay strong.

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Apr 2nd 2012, 5:08:35

Martian, you can't really compare Leafs and Jays in terms of finances. Salary cap in the NHL creates a certain parity that is impossible in a system like MLB. Sure, the Leafs can afford to have $3 million players sitting in the press box (*cough* Komisarek) or with the Marlies (Finger) so that they don't go against the cap, but there's a limit. You'll never see a hockey team spending $100 million more than another as is the case in MLB. And now with Rogers owning the Jays they've got one of the richest owners in baseball. Historically the Jays have been willing to spend when they thought it would be worth while. '92 and '93 were both among the top if not the highest paid payrolls in baseball. AA has already said multiple times that he has free reign from Rogers in terms of bringing in big name, big dollar players if he feels that they represent the difference between a bubble team and a legitimate run at the pennant.

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Apr 2nd 2012, 10:41:30

*7 years

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Apr 2nd 2012, 18:09:26

Reds, Votto agree to terms on a 9 year extension... sorry Blue Jay fans

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Apr 2nd 2012, 21:28:45

Originally posted by Klown:

Reds, Votto agree to terms on a 9 year extension... sorry Blue Jay fans

Psh. clearly this is just the beginning of a sign-and-trade.

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Apr 2nd 2012, 21:34:33

@hawkeye: sure he has free reign. Rogers has deep pockets certainly, but as long as ticket sales are very good there's no incentive for them to spend regardless of the quality of the team itself.

Regarding the salary cap: that's true. But it still doesn't excuse the leafs. Pretty much as long as they are making money hand over fist there's no incentive to improve that hockey team. As much as I hate to put it in these terms, the only thing that will make the leafs improves is for a large scale boycot. given the amount of corporate contracts/revenue that they have this isn't likely either.

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Apr 3rd 2012, 1:22:07

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Apr 3rd 2012, 4:02:40

But Martian, playoffs bring in huge revenue. Given that the Leafs are already spending huge, how can it not be in their best interests to put together a competitive playoff team? It's not like they could be spending more than they already are. The only places where MLSE could infuse more cash is in coaching, management, scouting and facilities. Leafs facilities are top notch and their coaching and front office are well taken care of. There really is nothing more that money can buy for this club. What more can ownership do beyond hiring a big name big money GM and giving him free reign to sign whoever he wants for whatever he wants?

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