Hmm LCN with the best performance but it may be in a losing effort...

Please don't make this a "Grabbing" war. Bad form. The country that gets grabbed can just grab from co-member enemy. It's real BS.

Thank you and lets kill each other

A grabbing war? No sorry. I grab to grow so I can break.

Much better way to make up acers lost to missiles then to simply build them up yourself.

Your hurting your mates. We just get land back from them.

War is like that O_o Just gotta decide when is the best opportunity to grab land vs using your turns to kill targets.

haha Sol has grabbed almost 30k acres an LCN and Imag have grabbed almost 14k. I think grabbing is working out to Sol's advantage. :P

Grabbing is one of the most important parts of war :P

Ya, especially when you lose 1.5k troops/jets PER ACRE, Scode :P

*humps everyone*

+ bonus post.

lol What can I say we love grabing stuff and the only time we can freely grab is during war.

fun war. =)

New member lol'ed.

Nightwolf was killed... Only one Wolf can survive! LCN!

ya think ? :)

did you liked my instant GS? :P

I know where you live ...

Ok, SoL will win:) Congrats SoL for good job:) But LCN impressed me more:) Good work LCN.

Duna where do you play now?

anoniem, im in rival atm.

bonus :-(

hmm

so what's the current stats now?

If you click on page one the stats update ;)

Sols 12 ahead

It was a VERY close war. We were outnumbered by over twelve members and a solid amounts of avaliable hits per day provided by that number member difference. The first strike WAS NOT a normal one where the other side didnt have time to prepare.

LCN averaged: 275 hits per member
SOL averaged: 264 hits per member
Imagnum averaged: 227 hits per member

networth drop was relatively close. we also spent a solid amount of turns on defusing missles in the break.

SOL still had some amazing wallers. They did great. But if the numbers were evened....

SOL wins right? Looking at the stats more kills, higher TNW. Same restart...

oook. This was a good war and both sides thrown the best in it.

BUT, i have some comments to make at your post since you bring that kind stuff on AT.

1.You were not outnumbered because the time we CS-ed you have already killed 12 of our finest countries ( true, you were out numbered at the level of restarts by 10 or something ).However i would like bring in discussion the breaker advantage which was always in your favor ( after FS ). Two war-merging alliances will always have a better core of breakers than just one ( no matter the numbers ).

2.Defusing missles really dose not work in your favor too. We lost about 1.5k of missles due to FS and defussing. That would really hurt you and improve our HITs / member over LCN`s one.

3.IF the numbers were evened we would prolly not accept you to get 12 kills and 1.5k missles defused before making any move. So the outcome would have been pretty much the same.

LCN and Imag had a pretty good stonewalling performance, a good FS and put up a close fight until this point. However you should let us savour our clean and sweet "Moral Victory".

P.S: in the given conditions i really don`t know what alliance/ couple of alliances would have take that FS and turn war around.
The only combination i am thinking is Sof + X = ~ 80 members.

Good job everybody!!!

Twelve kills in our first strike... fine. But then after the numbers were evened AFTER the first strike, your counter strike made them uneven again. Missles were fairly uneffective in this war (compare to their potential) as we had time to prepare and get tons of SDI. When you DID restart on your kills, the numbers were yet again there and ready to be used against us. I dont see how two alliances would have a better core of breakers other than a simple theory. Especially in sols 75th set armed ready and more motivated than ever. Nonetheless, great points. I am by no means advocating that SOL didnt do well. I am instead advocating that LCN did do a great job circumstances considered or not. You have the "moral victory" and literal advantage as this war comes to a close.

Maybe you will have the benefit of killing me before the day/night is over as one of the few original countries left (;

The Signing for the Mutual war was done by the leaders of SOL, Imag and LCN. Not just SOL.

These items were taken into consideration before the signing, as well as other multiple circumstances and events that may or may not put one side or the other at a disadvantage.

The goal of the pact was to make sure both sides were on even ground. I am sorry if you feel this was not the case, but at the time the leaders of ALL three alliances did feel that way, there for the pact was signed.

If in the future this mutual war occurs again, a pact will be done differently to take into consideration different circumstances that were not considered this time, and it will not be signed if those leaders of said alliances involved think there is an unfair element in the pact, such as when the pact was signed for this war.

For this pact, the intention of ALL those who signed the pact were to make sure that both sides had an even chance of winning.


In the end, that is what really matters.

You may continue your indepth discussion of war statistics now :-)

One more and i am out of here.

Since the ceasefire anounce, made on 18.03.2012 ( war to be finished on 20.03.2012) half of Lcn breakers and the reamining one of Imag spend their remaining stock and started to AB productive countries of SOL.

I really don`t see the point of that, just pure hate and destruction ( and i am sure there will be colateral damages in bouth sides) ... but for sure I am going to pay back my debts in Abs.

Out of here.

really? the ceasefire that was reached on 19.03.2012 was announced the day before?

*boggle*

I'm pretty sure the CF isn't in effect yet - I fail to see the problem with ABing your enemies whilst at war?

If LCN or Imag leaders have an issue on the matter, they may contact me about it. Also, if SOL leaders have an issue they will bring it up with LCN and Imag.

Besides, ABing is as much a part of war as kill runs. So Ya I agree with Trifey.

I artillery barraged SOLS main breaker country SHORTLY before the ceasefire was announced... I on the other hand was artillery barraged FAR after I made these posts to argue on how things went during the war...! Therefore I see parts of this argument as invalid.

CF talks were just starting. I understand some announcements were made based on preliminary negotiations that occurred. We reached a final agreement on the 19th. Deci, LCN's HoW, ordered that AB runs be stopped at that point due to the friendly nature of the war. Sometimes, unfortunately, our mass alliance-wide telepathy system is not as efficiently effective as we would like. Any ABs done after the CF announcement weren't meant to create bad blood. =(

That was a retal! And it was me - however i did not abed LCNs breakers that fought a clean war ( like #633 or #33 ) - instade i choose you, and next would have been #440 - but it was over.

P.S: Thx Purposeful1 for the clarification - however those abs created bad blood in both sides. Afterall this was just a minor incident in a great war - GG!!

Retal? Clean breakers? Alin... We were not notified that there would even be an early end to the war until March 19th. I made those artillery barrage hits on March 18th. As a matter of strategy, a few members decided to artillery barrage a few techers with decent stock to hurt them in the war especially considering they were fairly tank light. This would have possibly aided in a better mid-game and chance of winning a war that if the CURRENT tactics kept being used would have been a major uphill battle. Nothing done by my country was by any means necessary worth being dubbed unclean. It had a very clear purpose. However you and another member who spent eighty solid turns MANY, MANY hours after the announced ending of the war... THAT was unclean. There was ZERO purpose in hitting my country other than to be a blatant asshat. You waited until the last day when I no longer was ready to wall with hours left to the war before the now officially announced ceasefire... and you took advantage of it in a freindly arranged war. Yet you sit here and dare to call out LCN members on bad blood. It would be nice if you got your facts straight before you started throwing around foolish accussations. In future encounters however I will be certain to have noted what had taken place the last few hours as this "freindly" war came to a close and who orchestrated it.

Turn wise, nope. By the time you were able to hit us, your remaining countries had 120/120 (unless screw ups / etc), while ours had around 140 turns avg (counting about 500 turns per kill, averaging over 60ish countries).

The only thing we had going for us was the fact that we could pick and remove SoL's scariest countries, and not just any random, before the war. And ofc reducing missiles and other ops. This lowered your breaking power indeed.



... ... ... eh?



You always have your moral victory, even when losing, why would your victory's cleaness change that? :P



Sorry we ruined your netting set. Yes, we went for maximum destruction. Killing countries clearly didn't cut it and we needed to bring down as many of your remaining originals as we could before losing the last of our own. Imag was hoping to push the cf some days forward at least, and it was also us who pushed for ab's. It had nothing to do with us wanting to ruin stuff for you because war was ending.

Summing it up, I thought the war wasn't set up totally evenly even before it started, and that was even thinking we'd have 8 hours regardless of kills. Anyway, it was even enough for a intense and very fun war. Besides your advantage you probably pulled a slightly bigger effort as well and would've won if it was equal, so the win is well motivated. Cheers.

I will be back to you with ingame news. Because your post really pissed me off.

3/17/2012 8:49:20 PM ( ghq time ) - this is a message sent to all Solers.



Now - please go check #519 ( your country news ) and your mate #440. You ruined #246 way past the CF agreement.

Now stop complaining. You started and i ended... and that`s it. I didn`t do it for bad blood; i did it because you did it too way before me. And as an earth player, i am impulsive and i always pay my debts.

War is war. It was fun. Stop finding issues out of nothing :O

*humps* I dont feel any blood bad. It was all apart of war imo.

exactly. the message was sent to all SOLERS. no message was sent to LCNERS until well into march 19th.

now, should purposeful and trife be flogged and mocked for not sending one? of course. they should always be flogged and mocked.

NO ONE ELSE from lcn knew about it until the 19th. i'm frigging vice ghall, and i didn't know about it. the members that ab'd sol on the 18th sure as hell didn't know about it. so unknot your panties.

not to mention that sol leadership has already posted that they saw nothing wrong with post-cf ab's.

I take full responsibility for all ABs on both sides. I ordered all of them to happen on both sides as a deliberate attempt to punish Ruthless. So, if anyone has any thing negative to say about abs they can feel free to blame me for punishing her. I know ill probably get the blame anyway and also the accusation that it was all for spite so ill take credit here and now. It was all my fault. I hope we can all move on with life now.

*kicks Makinso in the balls*

BTW- the real question here that no one seems to be asking is this:

WHO ORDERED THE CODE RED???

1) The CF message sent out in SOL was for SOLers "only" not something to be posted on AT.

2) The CF message sent out in SOL was done prematurely, before a CF signing could occur. LCN nor Imag leaders should not be blammed for not sending anything out.

3) ABs after the post-cf was discouraged, but not asked to stop completely. It is better to save turns for a kill run then an ABing fest. Also boost our stats where it counts on kills! :O

This thread is going into some crazies imo.

Well after the CF, the fluffing strives, where the issue should be dead on hand. Purposeful1 explained the situation in a crystal clear format, that isn't hard at all to understand.
If you have issues, I apologize, but it was a clean, fun war. If you're still crying/complaining/fluffing, its your own fault, no one's else.

Alin, I could've made it a nightmare even more with the ABs, even if its apart of war, but I kinda pissed some of my own off to no ABing allowed. The war is done and over with, majority of people had fun. This issue should be dead on hand from now on.

Jiman and Deci are wise.

Yea really ? what else ... do you have like 4 5 6 and 7 etc. ?

It really bother you that much i post that message there to justify my actions ? I betrade our alliance doing that, right ?

Deci i think got the whole picture :

1.We ( Sol ) got the message way before your members did.
2.You ( Lcn ) annonced the CF latter on ( most probabbly 24 hours or more )
3.Meanwhile there were some couple of ABS from your side that we interpreted bad blood.
4.I, beeing impulsive, retaled back. Du no about others ... prolly the same thinking with the exception of DH.

I think it was a matter of bad timming out there.

Anyway, as i said this was a minor thing. It was a good war - grats.

P.S: for me the issue is dead since the CF.

If it was dead on hand, why do you contradict yourself? I hate these futile threads because this always occurs. This is my last post on this awful thread that went south.

Kudos to both sides of the war for good fun.

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