2 and a half weeks ago Servant posted his alliance rankings stating that sol was above sof because sol were outperforming sof so far in the war. I provided quite clear evidence that sof was in fact out performing sol and that sof are the better warring alliance. Well I thought we should just recap those stats now to show how sof is clearly a superior war alliance to sol right now.

First of all, lets look at the amount of incoming hits both alliances have received.

Sol has received an equal percentage of their sides hits compared to there percentage of size.

Sols hits received:

SoF SOLidify 43,772 85 515
RIVAL SOLidify 13,372 26 514
Total: 56,144 111 (505 HPK)

There allies
SoF EVOtella 13,618 25 545
SoF MONSTERS 5,520 12 460
RIVAL EVOtella 5,275 10 528
RIVAL MONSTERS 2,080 2 1,040
Total: 26493 49

Total: 83637 160

SOL has received a total of 67% of the hits for their side and have 63% of the membership.

Ok lets look at the hits sof has received.

EVOtella SoF 16,019 31 517
MONSTERS SoF 8,395 24 350
SOLidify SoF 43,496 85 512
Total: 67910 140 (485 HPK)

EVOtella RIVAL 4,318 6 720
MONSTERS RIVAL 2,389 7 341
SOLidify RIVAL 13,175 21 627
Total: 19882 34

Total 87792 174

So sof has received 77% of the enemy's attacks while having 71% of the size.

While these stats are similar for both sol and sof, there is a slight 2% difference to SoF, however if we look at total amount of hits received for each alliance, sof has had to take 11766 more hits and had 29 more countries killed. Now when I was discussing this in servants alliances rankings people complained that evo being hit by laf skewed the stats allowing sof to focus on sol more, lets like at there hits on evo, as you can see below, the amount of hits compared to the current stats show that despite this, evo still received an equal percentage of sof's sides attention for the war.

LaF EVOtella 6,010 18 334

Based on the above you would think since both alliances are similar in membership, SOL would of put out a lot more hits than sof. Lets have a look at both sides out put. Now both sides membership has been up and down ranging from 65 to 75 due to restarting, so i will base both sides membership at 70. I will also then provide the stats for current members tagged, 69 for sol and 75 for sof.

lets look at sol first. I wont include kills or HPK because quite frankly when fighting along side people these stats are skewed, someone can easily pick the kill despite your alliance doing all the hitting.

SOLidify SoF 43,496 85 512
SOLidify RIVAL 13,175 21 627
Total: 56,671
HPM AVG(70) : 810
HPM CURRENT (69) : 821


SoF EVOtella 13,618 25 545
SoF MONSTERS 5,520 12 460
SoF SOLidify 43,772 85 515
Total: 62,910
HPM AVG(70): 899
HPM CURRENT (74): 850

ok so despite receiving 11,000 more hits than sol, SoF has put out 6000 more hits, has nearly 30 more hpm (which is a days worth of hits more per member!!!) on the conservative side, if we wanted to go on the average it is nearly 3 days worth of hits more.


This is undeniable proof that Sof is clearly out performing sol this war. They are outhitting them despite receiving more incoming hits, and even though by a small percentage taking more hits for there side. The one stat that sol is beating sof in is walling, having a higher HPK than sof by nearly 20 hits.


Discuss.

Someone is REALLY butthurt over those rankings

no, just proving we are better than you :P

and we will never know how this war would have ended if SoF and RIVAL (who are clearly superior right?) took on the challenge without LaF "evening it up"...

i provided evidence to show that despite that, sof is still out performing you.


though i guess you didnt deny that we were better than you, you just wanted to twist things a little.

So, mdevol, do you claim sol is a better war alliance than sof?

percentage stats are invalid unless shown in conjunction with a pie chart! (and pie)

Iscode those numbers don't factor everything from this war into it so they are skewed.

So are you claiming sol is a better war alliance than sof?

Are you claiming that the stats this set in which multiple alliances are involved are the proof of your claims?


PS: It's obvious that Evo is the clear winner in this war :) Pumping out as many hits as Rival, despite being smaller in numbers and taking twice as many hits! Pro status!

Ok, not twice as many hits, but twice as many deaths. 5k more hits received, despite being smaller :)

No i would claim stats of the last 4 sets, including this set, prove this.

P.S i think evo have definitely been one of the best if not the best performer of this war tella. Completely agree with you, factor in laf hitting you, your alliance has performed exceptionally well.

Careful, Scode, my ego can only expand so much!!

The situations of the last 4 sets were different...considering some of the particular wars involved (I mean come on, hitting icn isn't showing your prowess), it's hard to compare war efforts based on stats alone..

Stop being so whiny about it. Go out and prove you are better if you want everyone to agree. Fight Sol 1v1 on an arranged date which neither of you will agree with. Otherwise accept that people will disagree with your opinion sometimes and realize that simply posting numbers with no context wont work in any aspect of life.

im not whining, im simply showing how we are a better war alliance.

I would love to have an arranged 1v1 war, but im not in leadership to organise that, its also been done before and sof won clearly.

posting numbers with out context? how is HPM not context? This is not an opinion it is fact, how can you not understand that an alliance that has received more damage, yet still put out more hits is not a better war alliance than one that has received less hits and not put at as many?


Tella - i wouldnt count that set ether however i think the war against MD when they had over 100 members showed how good at war sof is, this set and that set are two perfect examples how sof is definitely the best war alliance on this server.

qft

any 1vs1 comparison of SoF to any alliance based on war history is going to be biased because SoF will call in allies whenever they are losing

One quick example is that you have more breakers. A big reason for that is that Evo, who were planning to BE the breakers, have been getting hammered more than anyone(relative to size). And considering other things like losing a week due to Laf's entry, there are just too many things going on to make those numbers clearly representative of Sof and Sol's true abilities.

Oh, I forgot: Sof sucks :)

TBH I think the amount of countries we have taken out with over 600mill cash on hand is the reason you dont have breakers more than anything else, the countries that sof has had aid have been able to keep them alive long enough to use that FA, however we have been able to kill quite a lot before that fa got used.

Monsters suck :)

Death to netters!

scodey if you want to try to bring it down to hits per member it kinda helps if you actually use the number of members not just pick a number :P

its a good fun war cant we all just stop rubbing one out to how good we are and get back to the mass slaughter of civilians

Yeah, we need to use that fluff before we die...

Also, I'm not so sure about your membership claims, although I'm also not sure how to double check. I believe Sol has been averaging 68-70 and Sof 75ish. That skews the numbers a bit for hpm..

tl;dr

When those initial rankings came out from servant, sol had 74 tagged and we had 76. I am unsure for through out the war though, but the current ones i provided are accurate for right now.

*sarcasm on*
Look at SoL netting performance. Their are not just better than SoF, they are better than MD and LaF! They grew hard in war beeing on losing side. Some of their countries are so good at netting, that they can even spend more money than their income. Noone can show such a good performance at netting! SoL are top netters in all earth history!

Lol scode trying to say Sof is better. Sof is better due to Laf. There you win scode :)

i have to agree with Warster

so, SoF is better than SoL because LaF is better than MD and Rage.

got it

Rage have been back for one set. What was the point of even mentioning them in this?

ah, so they have only been around for one set, so their FA doesnt count.

got it

If MD had taken Rival out this war would be in Sols favor again. FA is one thing taking an entire alliance out of the fight is another.

Actually it showed how badly MD performed that war, with a bunch of folks back for a reunion set and not fighting. We started with 108 countries and SoF started with 93.

23 of those original countries made 0 hits. 27 of them less than 25 hits. 36 less than 50 hits.

MD's restart rate was a dismal 74% and our HPM and HPC were both over 30% below SoF.

So effectively, MD fought that war with closer to 75 active players.

My point is just that you shouldn't hold that one up for SoF's "greatness against a larger foe" in a comparison of your war performance against SOL. If SOL had FS'd us that set with the same members SoF had, I think the result would have been just as bad for MD.

Yes, actually.

Server War

MD FAed to EVO alot more than LaF killed. And also, even after LaF killed EVO, nw was almost same (about 10% difference, wich means nothing in long war)

I'd like to see RD and SoF war. I believe the leaders at SoF mentioned to me that if we "thought warring RD was tough, wait until you war us".

I would say RD > SoF. Discuss

thats true prank because Mr Azure > mrford.

SoF wouldnt have a chance

Azure is high as fluff.

Scode needs to go back to work so he has less time on AT ;)

The problem is stats can be skewed to put whatever point you want across. I've seen stats how Orange Juice is great for you, and different stats that say it gives you cancer.

My personally opinion on this war. I don't care for gang banging an alliance, however I do what I am told. Although, the moment Rival entered the war I was happy. I believe this made this war very even, about as even as a war could get. The moment LaF came in and tag killed Evo, the war became uneven. So, to say one alliance is better than another based on this war is ridiculous.

When I'm making war decisions in a war alliances, I pick a war where I am challenged. It hit ICN like last set was about the silliest thing I ever saw, despite them mouthing off. Now maybe If there was a long history of them disrespecting you, I could see a reason to kill them. I'm pretty sure this was not the case, at the very least send a 10 man squad on them. I never understood the 'easy' war. I don't fight to make it an easy win, I fight to be challenged.

On a side note I didn't read Servant alliance rankings, I guess his rankings are suppose to be unbiased. That is ridiculous he is as biased as the next guy....so I'll agree with you there.

iScode you care too much lol

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good post

bonus!

And RD(and Laf) have been FAing the bajeesus outta you guys. We're both receiving FA, we both have similar member counts, but you guys had an extra 6k hits and 18 kills from another alliance that we didn't have..

CAT FACTS is actually Dagga

Sols ranked too high!