I think he refers to a degree to us trying to throw our weight around in his words 'as if we were an 80+ member alliance still".
not exactly what we are doing.
I think he is saying we should shut up sit in the back corner and slowly fade out altogether :p
tAN: honestly. who cares?
I certainly don't
fluff happens, lets enjoy ourselves. we all knew we were going to end up in this kinda situation with SOMEONE this set ANYWAYS :p
collab just took the decision issues out of it for us :P
Pang. I agree with you. the failure to communicate on BOTH sides is what caused this in the end, and MY failure (as someone who SHOULD know better) to ensure that we had retallers from the outside also brought this in.
sides. it's not LaF personally I hate, just your own attitudes and policies :p
add to that I am a warmonger, I am quite happy blowing up whoever. in fact if you look through this thread, I am about the only person unconcerned by us being attacked, and also admitting that there was basis and justfication :p
now given I am PDM's VP, to say that all pdm leaders automatically try to point the blame elsewhere is not entirely true.
however, I am still also correct in stating that thomas intended to farm us from the outset regardless of consequence, so to THAT it is my fault for not ensuring we could respond to THOMAS in kind from the outset.
it is a downer that collab never spoke to me at any stage though.
doesn't help when collab leaders declare their intent to farm an alliance at the outset...
tell ya what. let us have thomas for the rest of the set as our hump toy, and we will happily call this a big misunderstanding ;)
"See now what we have here, is FAILURE to COMMUNICATE!"
most of what you say here axa is true, and thin though it is, is justification for war.
However, when it comes to failing to communicate I would say collab have been just as guilty. KR's on one of our members without even giving us a heads up? Yeah thats a little rude. Do I believe our member deserved it? Partly. You farmed us, he responded in kind, and continued after the DNH. (thats why I say justified). Anyways meh. Let's have some fun :)
you say this isn't a war? No worries. You have chosen to apply FFR to us after ridiculing us for the same thing? Even better :D
i know its nothing personal at the end of the day, so I shall amuse myself as much as I can methinks :)
bman and i will be acting in a co operative leadership.
pang: this is a generous measure from LaF, and if you are serious about it, its something that will go a long way towards mending the fences between LaF and PDM, at least from PDM's side of the fence.
tAN is being kept locked in the senate basement in PDM, where bman and myself shall take turns in using him as a hump toy.
That is all
Drow
PDM head of tAN
AT head of Bman
and I will say thankyou to NA for the fluddy sheepland :)
I'm not suiciding, just trying to see how much land I can get to before the set runs out.
ghost acres FTW....
so what you are saying pang, is that it's alright for an LaF member to take 4x what he lost in the first place as 'far reps'?
despite the fact that it's also 4x what was agreed on?
it is not reasonable to justify taking FAR more than what was agreed on between FA's as being fair reps, in any way shape or form by claiming "oh we're already losing out".
the agreement was also, to my knowledge at any rate, that any members who felt they were going to go well over 100% l:l as occurred in these cases were to be compensated with cash/military reps instead.
SS: so you're saying that because thatguy had 19 million jets when he suicided, it negates the fact that LaF countries SHOULD have had at least a reasonable def?
We aren't talking about like everyone having say 20 million turrets, but really... you're theoretically sitting on 30k acres, and only have a TOTAL break (that's turrets tanks and troops) of like 800k? that's just plain lazy and retarded.
pang:
and guy has already said, if they had been at least reasonably defended, he'd have left them alone.
2 mil, 3 mil defence is not unreasonable to run
sub 1 mil is just ridiculous, and thus falls into the scantily clad drunk girl bracket from TAN's analogy. it's still the attacker's fault, however, the girl has certainly put herself moreso into the situation
I have to back tan on this. PDM is unfortunately resposnible.
I may not think we SHOULD pay the reps, given that LaF have retarded one handed policies that benefit them for when they get hit, but that do not benefit someone hit BY them as equally if the situation is reversed, but that is irrespective of the point.
now3p: I just like stirring the pot a lil
and yeah, I'll admit I got my blood up...
I'm kinda like the little italian guy who's just seen the rocky movie, walks out and sees the big black dude waiting to get popcorn...
eddie murphy ftw :p
I'd also like to point out that yes he was our responsibilitygiven he suicided from our alliance.
however pang as I recall when someone detagged, waited 72 hours THEN suicided, you tried to claim it was our fault too.
can't have it both ways.
now3p: I just like stirring the pot a lil
and yeah, I'll admit I got my blood up...
I'm kinda like the little italian guy who's just seen the rocky movie, walks out and sees the big black dude waiting to get popcorn...
eddie murphy ftw :p
pang: after speaking to thatguy, 2 out of the 3 countries he hit so a far cry from the 10-15 you are trying to claiom here) had sub 1 mil defensive pointd.
yes, that means less than 1 mnillion jets TOTAL to break them.
tell us again how that's running a reasonable defence?
LaF are a major key to changing how this game is played through their attitudes and playstyle. You as the primary developer of the game and as a member of LaF should be pushing to change the attitudes of the members and leaders of your clan.
Instead of having retarded policies that suit you and screw everyone else, how about tone it back some, be reasonable to deal with, and lay off the farming small clans and untaggeds. If you don't your own clan is going to simply push any new members you gain from facebook or whatever straight back out of the door.
would LaF pay back the same in reps that they are demanding?
I think not. anyone else would be lucky to get back half what they demand.
would your members pay reps to all the countries they farm into the ground all set long?
what LaF lost is minor compared to what LaF rapes from new/untagged players every single set.
maybe if LaF changed their attitudes towards the game a little, things might get better.
do you really think that a faceobook app is going to help earth pang, if LaF's members promptly farm every single new player to the game from it straight into the ground?
people will simply get pissed off and leave... again.
I am one of the people saying screw the reps, and if you don't like it, kill us.
sure you can do it, and to be honest even if we were still fully prepped you could do it fairly easily, but it still screws your netting set :)
as it stands, for the record llaar, Zodiac is currently under discussion in senate. my personal opinion is boot. regardless of whether it's multi running, or exploiting a bug or anything else, cheating is cheating, and I will not stand for it.
AoS. we weren't going to FS NA for anything to do with the cheating.
Nor was NA's FS on us anything to do with cheating.
our was an inevitable result of land trading.
Drow
PDM head of tAN
ford. we also didn't have anything at all set up on boxcar.
hell ES and PDM have been integral parts of each other since the day commy started ES.
We're still clean to the best of my knowledge.
If I find out there's someone in PDM cheating, I can guarantee you they will be getting booted and permabanned faster than you can say boo.
as tAN said.
PDM'ers. if what you have to say is not relevant, or is nothing more than mindless trolling, stay off the boards from here on out. devote that energy to killing NA countries.
that is all.
Lefty: PDM is NOT pacted to either SoL OR RAGE.
you got the first punch in on us, which is fine because we were going to hit you anyways, even with 2v1 odds.
before going making accusations about PDM, how bout back the hell up and get your facts straight.
Martian: you mean there's someone who HASN'T been drunk and WCL'd before?
I used to run the vast majority of mine at least partly pissed...
trying to run one 100% blind was fluffing hilarious though :D