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May 5th 2024, 14:13:42

Originally posted by Josey Wales:
Originally posted by Drow:
Originally posted by Josey Wales:
Originally posted by Drow:
Originally posted by Josey Wales:
Slagpit,

You may recall the Superfly labeled me as a:

Racist, Bigot, and a Groomer.


Atrocious personal and libelous attacks of the worst kind.

Outside of the normal clan vs. clan, or country vs country scathing banter and criticism, you said:

No personal attacks.

Is Superfly allowed to do whatever he wants and call other players racists, bigots, and groomers with impunity? Is he above EE stated policy?

Does a formal complaint need to be lodged?

I asked for a public apology, which would have resolved everything, but that was ignored.

Generally curious to know if there are two sets of rules.

If there are, that’s fine. I’m just trying to figure out if that sort of behavior and character defamation is acceptable or Superfly and Mercs should be banned for a year?

If The High Court could please advise it would be much appreciated.

Josey Wales


If memory serves, I believe he was referring to cathankins as having groomed you into a suicider, not calling you a groomer.

I could be hair splitting here, but ya know


“Ya.” I know.

I know that you just cooked your own goose.

You should have stayed out of this one Drow - you don’t know what you’re taking about and I don’t need your 2 cents unless to know that you are siding with Superfly and calling me a Racist, Bigot, and a Groomer.

For the record, Big Leader of PDM…. Is that it? Are you siding with Superfly? Do you think I’m a racist, bigot, and a groomer? Are you defending Superfly on this one or do you agree with me?

Let’s see if you have any juice in your Big PDM Leader nuts on this one. All of PDM and the server will witness your leadership qualities right here. You should have stayed out of it. But now you’re in it.

You’re in the spot light now son. Whatever answer you give, even no answer, is going to tell the Server and my former clan mates in PDM exactly what type of leader you are.

I’m calling you out.


I called you nothing.
I said you were wrong about what superfly actually said.

I'd suggest very strongly that you tone it down a little.

I let your prior threats slide.
Don't push your luck.



I was wondering how you’d come down on this one Drow. I didn’t expect much from you but I did expect you to condemn race libel. You had your chance and it unfortunately didn’t happen. It’s good for all of PDM to see what their new clan “leader” is made of.

Grade: F

No response needed or wanted. Good luck in this set and future sets.


What, did you think that I'd immediately tremble in my boots and beg for protection from a 2 man suicider tag?

You're literally attempting to make enemies of the entire server. I'd suggest you focus on sorting out the active enemies you already have, rather than trying to create more.
Especially given you have cathankins threatening to run clans off the server on your behalf.

Personally, I'm not out to run you off the server, but I won't tolerate being threatened.

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May 5th 2024, 14:07:14

And look, I get that you have a bit of a hard on for me personally, because I acted to remove doug from leadership, it is what it is.

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May 5th 2024, 14:04:03

You called me out.

I pointed out you were specifically wrong about Superfly calling you a groomer.

I would argue that if superfly had said the things you claim, that multiple mods would have actively given him at least a temporary ban.

That hasn't happened, so it seems more realistic that you have completely misread and misinterpreted what was said.

You chose to threaten Paradigm, I let it go.

You and cathankins have deceitfully attempted to claim victim status after you decided to suicide on evo, then got splattered by their allies.

I actually pity you at this point.
You went from a chill player in Paradigm, to a more or less reasonable player under your own tag, who left people alone, and got left alone in return, to now following cathankins like a puppy, and becoming a straight up failed suicider.

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May 5th 2024, 12:36:01

Originally posted by Josey Wales:
Originally posted by Drow:
Originally posted by Josey Wales:
Slagpit,

You may recall the Superfly labeled me as a:

Racist, Bigot, and a Groomer.


Atrocious personal and libelous attacks of the worst kind.

Outside of the normal clan vs. clan, or country vs country scathing banter and criticism, you said:

No personal attacks.

Is Superfly allowed to do whatever he wants and call other players racists, bigots, and groomers with impunity? Is he above EE stated policy?

Does a formal complaint need to be lodged?

I asked for a public apology, which would have resolved everything, but that was ignored.

Generally curious to know if there are two sets of rules.

If there are, that’s fine. I’m just trying to figure out if that sort of behavior and character defamation is acceptable or Superfly and Mercs should be banned for a year?

If The High Court could please advise it would be much appreciated.

Josey Wales


If memory serves, I believe he was referring to cathankins as having groomed you into a suicider, not calling you a groomer.

I could be hair splitting here, but ya know


“Ya.” I know.

I know that you just cooked your own goose.

You should have stayed out of this one Drow - you don’t know what you’re taking about and I don’t need your 2 cents unless to know that you are siding with Superfly and calling me a Racist, Bigot, and a Groomer.

For the record, Big Leader of PDM…. Is that it? Are you siding with Superfly? Do you think I’m a racist, bigot, and a groomer? Are you defending Superfly on this one or do you agree with me?

Let’s see if you have any juice in your Big PDM Leader nuts on this one. All of PDM and the server will witness your leadership qualities right here. You should have stayed out of it. But now you’re in it.

You’re in the spot light now son. Whatever answer you give, even no answer, is going to tell the Server and my former clan mates in PDM exactly what type of leader you are.

I’m calling you out.


I called you nothing.
I said you were wrong about what superfly actually said.

I'd suggest very strongly that you tone it down a little.

I let your prior threats slide.
Don't push your luck.

Edited By: Drow on May 5th 2024, 12:56:24
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May 5th 2024, 0:40:31

Originally posted by Josey Wales:
Slagpit,

You may recall the Superfly labeled me as a:

Racist, Bigot, and a Groomer.


Atrocious personal and libelous attacks of the worst kind.

Outside of the normal clan vs. clan, or country vs country scathing banter and criticism, you said:

No personal attacks.

Is Superfly allowed to do whatever he wants and call other players racists, bigots, and groomers with impunity? Is he above EE stated policy?

Does a formal complaint need to be lodged?

I asked for a public apology, which would have resolved everything, but that was ignored.

Generally curious to know if there are two sets of rules.

If there are, that’s fine. I’m just trying to figure out if that sort of behavior and character defamation is acceptable or Superfly and Mercs should be banned for a year?

If The High Court could please advise it would be much appreciated.

Josey Wales


If memory serves, I believe he was referring to cathankins as having groomed you into a suicider, not calling you a groomer.

I could be hair splitting here, but ya know

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May 5th 2024, 0:38:54

Originally posted by Cathankins:
We are at war with Evo/merc but not by our own wishes. I don’t care what you call me I am just pointing out that I have been called a netter that won’t war for a few years and now I am a suicider because I killed the biggest troll the game has ever seen.


At least make up your minds about which dishonest thing you wish to accuse me of.


Am I a suicider or a netter who won’t fight? Which is it?


No, that's not why I'm calling you a suicider.
I could care less about your personal hard on for superfly.

I'm calling you a suicider because you suicided on evo, because superfly. (Who isn't even in evo).

You talk about dishonesty, stop trying to misrepresent mine, and everyone else's words

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May 4th 2024, 14:13:33

Hey gents, can someone shoot me a line either here on forums, or via discord please?
Cheers!

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May 4th 2024, 13:13:28

Evo didn't hit you last set either.

Mercs didn't "call their allies"

Their allies did what pacted allies do, and came to help, no questions asked.

Now, you've decided to hit Evo.

Once again, Evo's allies did what allies do, and came to help no questions asked.

Basically, you chose to provoke this again this set.
Not the other way round.

Lastly, you're now threatening to run clans off the server, unless they do as you dictate.
That's not how it works, and I really don't think this is going to turn out for you the way you seem to think it will.

You probably could have peaced out this set if you were smart, and left people the hell alone.
Instead, you chose to start yourself another pointless confrontation.
The ultimate irony, is I pretty much guarantee evo will still finish top of the score tables.

So not only did you suicide, you did so badly.

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May 4th 2024, 13:04:03

Hey folks.
On a serious note for a minute, here is our updated Paradigm contact list.

Drow - President. Discord: Drowakm
Sir Acheron - HFA. Discord: Ashaeron.se
Sir Detmer - Senate. Discord Alex_t337
tAN - Senate. Discord: tan_cleantoe

We also have a new discord server, so please feel free to grab one of us, pop in and say hi.

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May 4th 2024, 13:02:33

Originally posted by Cathankins:
Originally posted by Drow:
Originally posted by BlackHole:
Josey is a close ally of M4D, right? And Drow's Paradigm is a sister alliance of M4D?


That's my understanding of the situation so far. Leto used to be in Paradigm (last set). He left and took half of Paradigm with him and started M4D. Then the rest of Paradigm 'wanted to play a specific way' according to some. And that specific way, I believe, is also warring/bullying smaller alliances. So they kick out Doug and any of Doug's friends that didn't want to war alongside M4D, and have now started their own thing, as a sister alliance to M4D.





I could be wrong about some specific details, but this is the gist of it all, right? M4D/Paradigm are sister alliances, that all played together last set, and Josey and the Suiciders are their best buds. All three intend to attack and kill anyone on the server that is smaller than them.



Feel free to correct any details I may be misinformed about.


You have a whole swag of stuff wrong as usual Blackhole.
About 5 or 6 paradigm members went to M4D.

a few other former paradigmers, and a bunch of former NA players, came out of retirement and joined M4D as well.

(that's why M4D has 20 odd, and we have 20 in Paradigm.)

I have not kicked ANYONE out of Paradigm.
We resolved an internal leadership issue.

Yes, M4D are our brothers, between our former players who play there, and a bunch of the other guys who have come out of retirement that are friendly names, we get on well with them. It's called friends.

No, we are not planning to war anyone.

No, we are not close with Josey and co.
You may recall that Josey straight up threatened Paradigm this set at the end of last set.
It's disappointing, because Josey was a good member when he played back in paradigm many moons ago.

he and cathankins have decided to suicide on Evo, and mercs and sol are leaving them as vacant space as a result.

I think I have covered pretty much the entirety of your completely misinformed post.

Drow
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I thought i was a netter?

So now I am a pure netter who refuses to war and also a suicide? Lol I think you all just are passive aggressive and lie a lot and misrepresent everything because sociopaths like superfly fed you some bs



Honestly at this point I see why he feeds you all bs because all of you NPC’s here just follow the lead. Who cares if the words you are saying is true right?


What does truth matter right guys? That pesky old truth is so annoying


Did you, or did you not, hit Evo OOP?

Evo had not hit you.
That's suiciding.

I'm making my judgements based DIRECTLY on your actions, nothing else.

YOU attacked a 3rd party (Evo), in a blatant attempt, which you already admitted to, to get them to hit Superfly.
Instead, Mercs and SoL acted as per their pacts with Evo, and turned you into smears, repeatedly.

No spin, nothing to do with he said, she said.

Based SOLELY on your actions, and the responses.
Right now, you are nothing more than a suicider and failed bully.

You don't like being referred to as a suicider, stop acting like one.
It's really, really that simple.

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May 3rd 2024, 15:33:09

Originally posted by Cathankins:
Originally posted by Drow:
https://earthempires.com/...turned-52616?t=1714144946

Read Jouster's post from april 23rd.
You were given warning they were going to kill you for the set.
This is exactly what they said they were going to do, I don't know why you're surprised?

You prodded and pushed them, and continued to poke and prod, then when they act, declare them the bad guys?
um, ok, I guess?

Sometimes I wonder whether you are trying to compete with Cathankins for the oddest twists of logic on the server...



Our logic and reasoning is reflected by our scores, of which I have dominated every server I have played.

You aren’t even in the same league to speak to me on an equal level.


Go get gerdler or Tmac or Andrew or LB and I will accept their insults as my peers but no low IQ people insults allowed!

Gotta be smart before I will take you serious


I'm sorry, this from the one attacking unrelated third parties because they have a hard on for one specific player?
That would be like me deciding to farm you and josey because BlackHole made me sad...

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May 3rd 2024, 11:26:51

Also, it turns out M4D have 31.
Well done Leto!

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May 3rd 2024, 11:24:51

Originally posted by BlackHole:
Originally posted by Drow:
Originally posted by BlackHole:
Josey is a close ally of M4D, right? And Drow's Paradigm is a sister alliance of M4D?


That's my understanding of the situation so far. Leto used to be in Paradigm (last set). He left and took half of Paradigm with him and started M4D. Then the rest of Paradigm 'wanted to play a specific way' according to some. And that specific way, I believe, is also warring/bullying smaller alliances. So they kick out Doug and any of Doug's friends that didn't want to war alongside M4D, and have now started their own thing, as a sister alliance to M4D.





I could be wrong about some specific details, but this is the gist of it all, right? M4D/Paradigm are sister alliances, that all played together last set, and Josey and the Suiciders are their best buds. All three intend to attack and kill anyone on the server that is smaller than them.



Feel free to correct any details I may be misinformed about.


You have a whole swag of stuff wrong as usual Blackhole.
About 5 or 6 paradigm members went to M4D.

a few other former paradigmers, and a bunch of former NA players, came out of retirement and joined M4D as well.

(that's why M4D has 20 odd, and we have 20 in Paradigm.)

I have not kicked ANYONE out of Paradigm.
We resolved an internal leadership issue.

Yes, M4D are our brothers, between our former players who play there, and a bunch of the other guys who have come out of retirement that are friendly names, we get on well with them. It's called friends.

No, we are not planning to war anyone.

No, we are not close with Josey and co.
You may recall that Josey straight up threatened Paradigm this set at the end of last set.
It's disappointing, because Josey was a good member when he played back in paradigm many moons ago.

he and cathankins have decided to suicide on Evo, and mercs and sol are leaving them as vacant space as a result.

I think I have covered pretty much the entirety of your completely misinformed post.

Drow
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I'll ask Doug to confirm some of these 'facts'.


doug is not a leader in Paradigm.
he is a member here still though.

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May 3rd 2024, 11:23:29

I'm going off the info I have to hand /shrug

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May 3rd 2024, 6:11:53

https://earthempires.com/...turned-52616?t=1714144946

Read Jouster's post from april 23rd.
You were given warning they were going to kill you for the set.
This is exactly what they said they were going to do, I don't know why you're surprised?

You prodded and pushed them, and continued to poke and prod, then when they act, declare them the bad guys?
um, ok, I guess?

Sometimes I wonder whether you are trying to compete with Cathankins for the oddest twists of logic on the server...

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May 3rd 2024, 6:07:24

Originally posted by paladin:
Did someone say bonus post?

no, they said KFC

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May 3rd 2024, 5:59:25

Originally posted by BlackHole:
Josey is a close ally of M4D, right? And Drow's Paradigm is a sister alliance of M4D?


That's my understanding of the situation so far. Leto used to be in Paradigm (last set). He left and took half of Paradigm with him and started M4D. Then the rest of Paradigm 'wanted to play a specific way' according to some. And that specific way, I believe, is also warring/bullying smaller alliances. So they kick out Doug and any of Doug's friends that didn't want to war alongside M4D, and have now started their own thing, as a sister alliance to M4D.





I could be wrong about some specific details, but this is the gist of it all, right? M4D/Paradigm are sister alliances, that all played together last set, and Josey and the Suiciders are their best buds. All three intend to attack and kill anyone on the server that is smaller than them.



Feel free to correct any details I may be misinformed about.


You have a whole swag of stuff wrong as usual Blackhole.
About 5 or 6 paradigm members went to M4D.

a few other former paradigmers, and a bunch of former NA players, came out of retirement and joined M4D as well.

(that's why M4D has 20 odd, and we have 20 in Paradigm.)

I have not kicked ANYONE out of Paradigm.
We resolved an internal leadership issue.

Yes, M4D are our brothers, between our former players who play there, and a bunch of the other guys who have come out of retirement that are friendly names, we get on well with them. It's called friends.

No, we are not planning to war anyone.

No, we are not close with Josey and co.
You may recall that Josey straight up threatened Paradigm this set at the end of last set.
It's disappointing, because Josey was a good member when he played back in paradigm many moons ago.

he and cathankins have decided to suicide on Evo, and mercs and sol are leaving them as vacant space as a result.

I think I have covered pretty much the entirety of your completely misinformed post.

Drow
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Edited By: Drow on May 3rd 2024, 6:02:20
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May 2nd 2024, 7:29:22

Originally posted by Sov:
Originally posted by Josey Wales:
Originally posted by Sov:


In fact I know that Mercs alone has at least 5 players you wouldn’t be able to kill even if you had every single member in the warchat with full turns. Yes they are that good.



Wrong.


Please enlighten us with your warring experience.


Just to be clear, Josey is not in Paradigm :)

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May 2nd 2024, 2:54:44

Originally posted by tazbot:
Originally posted by Symbolic:
Too much drama over nothing at pdm. Lol you guys need to war or something.


Yes, that's the idea. We'll be FSing the Paradigm tag two weeks from now. But don't tell them.

Or maybe it was the PDM tag, I forget.

PS: Paradigm/PDM has a lot of great people with its best interests at heart, watch us become stronger than ever


Maan! you ruined the supa sekret 1 tank AB FS on ourselves!!!

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May 2nd 2024, 2:53:46

Originally posted by Sov:
Originally posted by Drow:

agreed on no current era warring experience, though I resemble the no credible war leaders remark, even if it has admittedly been many, many years since I was an active HoW.
we do currently count multiple former PDM HoW's in our ranks though.


Perhaps I phrased that incorrectly, credible war leaders with recent warring experience. Anyone you may have would not have warred seriously in a long long time and warring is very different in the current era.


You are correct in that regard.


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May 2nd 2024, 2:51:43

he's getting a twofer ;)


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May 2nd 2024, 1:12:50

Originally posted by Sov:

Originally posted by Josey Wales:

And the rest of you freighter class rejects should thank him for not letting the Dogs off the chain.

PDM had the numbers and we could have ripped all of you Termites apart, set after set, for years.

You know who kept you safe from us?


Originally posted by Josey Wales:

Doug- you should have let us tear this Server to shreds.


Cute…but seeing as though PDM has no current era warring experience and no credible war leaders, I doubt you would be able to defeat one of the warring alliances let alone all of them. 2013 warring tactics won’t cut it.

In fact I know that Mercs alone has at least 5 players you wouldn’t be able to kill even if you had every single member in the warchat with full turns. Yes they are that good.


agreed on no current era warring experience, though I resemble the no credible war leaders remark, even if it has admittedly been many, many years since I was an active HoW.
we do currently count multiple former PDM HoW's in our ranks though.

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May 1st 2024, 15:08:28

And again, tAN hits the nail on the head!

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May 1st 2024, 15:07:08

Originally posted by EmpyreanMKR:
Please stop Drow.
You have to stop this. You cant tag up with a silent Q.

This is ridiculous.


I think you're short some P's there, I told you 14 P's and a silent Q!!!

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May 1st 2024, 13:22:15


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May 1st 2024, 13:20:52

Originally posted by Tertius:
I always appreciate the (informative) drama posts. You're welcome here, TAN!


That's why he is the Paradigm official AT troll ;)

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May 1st 2024, 13:01:21

Originally posted by Coalie:
I’m glad to see Sleepy Drow finally woke up and spanked Grima Wormdoug!


It's all about second breakfast, and elevenses!!!

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May 1st 2024, 11:47:38

Isn't it a 2 door car?

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May 1st 2024, 11:46:59

Happy birthday to the pair of yas :)

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May 1st 2024, 11:25:27

Originally posted by BlackHole:
So Leto recruited drow to his server bullying efforts, and now they are seeking to trash doug?


This is all very weird.


No one recruited me to anything.

I have acted, as President, in what I believe to be Paradigm's best interest.

Doug put himself in a position where he is no longer tenable as a leader, and I have acted on that.

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May 1st 2024, 3:31:54

Originally posted by Sov:
And you feel this is worthy of telling the entire server?

I appreciate that at least you are providing some much needed activity to AT, but I fail to see how this thread and the airing of any grievances publicly benefits your Alliance.


tAN has hit it pretty well on the head.
We have been trying to avoid the drama, but, we are taking right of response in this case, given that doug has come here publicly to make a post making allegations about conspiracies.

In terms of recruiting, Paradigm has actually been one of the more active alliances doing so the last few sets.
We have been putting significant energy into recruiting, which is why so many old Paradigm faces are about.

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Apr 30th 2024, 16:32:49

Originally posted by EmpyreanMKR:
So many paradigms


Para-ception!!

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Apr 30th 2024, 15:38:29

tAN is the official Paradigm AT Troll ;)

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Apr 30th 2024, 15:33:35

Thank you Jouster.
It is greatly appreciated.

Paradigm thanks those who have offered their support to us.

We did not want this situation, but we will work with what we have.

Much love.

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Apr 30th 2024, 15:32:09

no doug.

I did not make the PDM tag Paradim intentionally. it was a legitimate typo.

I originally had no intent of any of this happening.

Leto and I did not plan anything.

You pushed me to breaking point, and I walked.

I have told all PDM members they are welcome in the Paradigm tag.

Further, that we will not launch any hostile actions on those who choose to remain PDM.

We will not ask any alliances who have signed pacts with PDM to break those pacts, as that would be bad faith, and we do not operate that way.

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Apr 29th 2024, 13:55:23

Drow will continue to speak his mind.
Have no fear of that ;)

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Apr 29th 2024, 13:16:57

more accurately, I should have titled this PDM announcement

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Apr 29th 2024, 12:51:47

As of now, I am no longer president of doug's PDM.
Please direct all contact to doug and Happy.
Regards
Drow

Edited By: Drow on May 1st 2024, 3:32:47
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Apr 29th 2024, 11:30:06

oh man, cathankins, your twists of logic are hilarious.

you suicided on evo and got killed and blame superfly, someone who has nothing to do with evo, for doing so.

then claim "bullying" when evo's pacted allies do what pacted allies do, and come to their aid.

meantime, you attempt to tell Evo that if they don't kill superfly, you'll keep suiciding on them.

Who is actually the bully here?
The person choosing to attack a third party unrelated to the initial issue, in a half assed attempt to try and force them to do the dirty work, or the alliances who are standing up for their friends?

Honestly, the only difference, is that unlike most real life bullies, you're just really bad at it.




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Apr 29th 2024, 1:12:55



New theme song for Leto ;)

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Apr 29th 2024, 0:38:54


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Apr 29th 2024, 0:15:36

Originally posted by TAN:
On behalf of cult leader Drow, all your land are belong to us.


All their base are belong to us!!

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Apr 28th 2024, 13:37:55

Beta males?

is that a Furry thing, or a fish thing?
I'm curious...

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Apr 28th 2024, 13:35:29

couple of people decided to suicide on Evo, and evo's allies came to their defence.
Blackhole ticked off Jouster, and Jouster made him dead in return.


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Apr 27th 2024, 8:29:19

Originally posted by Coalie:
Drow it saddens me to see that you are making backdoor deals with bhole. Didn’t bhole and Doug backdoor each other? Look at what happened.


Ive kept my dealings with BlackHole very public. And come down to: "play clean, leave Paradigm alone, and we don't have to spend the rest of the set killing you"

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Apr 26th 2024, 12:23:50

Important information:
tAN is head of fluff
that is all.
Carry on!

Drow
PDM Pres of random declarations

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Apr 26th 2024, 12:19:33

Originally posted by BlackHole:
How do you know I played clean on the restarts?


you didn't get deleted in alliance again for the rest of the set, and you made an agreement with me publicly to play clean and not hit PDM in return for a DNH.
Are you saying that you chose to cheat anyway?

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