i was one of those original two hits. If you talk to your member (I am pretty sure it was 118) I also immediately sent him a message apologising for the hit, explaining that I was half asleep at the time of taking my turns, as well as being on my mobile. I also let him know I had contacted my FA's, and that I was happy to give up whatever neccessary.

You guys were generous and only took 1 retal, which I am grateful for, as I am pretty sure you came out ahead on that land trade.
I've then steadfastly NOT hit LaF for the rest of the set.
In the between, LaF has so far hit me 2x on top of the fairly warranted retal.
Next hit on me, and I will start hitting LaF in return.
After our 1 member allegedly broke the DNH, though there's allegations floating around that there were LaF hits after the DNH was enforced, but before wari hit, LaF proceeded to start not only farming wari, but hitting our other members.
Why would you expect us to abide by a DNH if you won't follow it yourslelves?
Farming Wari was fine, but why hit others, unless you had no intent of following the DNH. Now you complain that we are grabbing you, yet you are STILL hitting PDM.

In short, communication on both sides makes sense.
As a player who's been playing the game for almost 12 years, I am not blind to both sides being at fault.
Gone are the days it seems, when playing in the spirit of the game was the idea.

I honestly thought things would change in that regard with the advent of EE, but nope. And because PDM are trying to depart from the excessively retarded crap that pacting had become, with things so inbred that LG'ing was impossible because even a DNH meant you were going to lose far more than you grabbed regardless, we're suddenly assholes. i didn't realise that we are all meant to play all x...

wait... MONSTERS are warring???
HOLY CRAP!!!
THE APOCALYPSE IS NIIIIGH!

ensula: unless you guys have gone back to a 72 hour window, we are on the same retal window.

edit: I fail

"#594 gained 4247 acres from his three hits. LaF's posted retal policy indicates they consider an appropriate response to be 6:3 or L:L.

Instead, they responded with 42 hits within the retal window, netting 9180 acres. By their own policies, they grossly overretalled. As the situation was already strained from their systematic farming and our NM response, we did not retal these overretals.

After the retal window expired, #36 helped himself to 2338 more acres in 7 grabs. (Two other LaF countries also made an additional 5 hits and gained 1633 acres) "


so that's 9180+2338+1633 or 13,151a in 'retal' for 4247a, and apparently LaF feels this is ok.
in what universe is that L:L laf?
in terms of numerical retals. 42+7+5, or 54 hits in response for 3 hits?
yet PDM are the bad guys. hilarious.
funny counting of how it takes "4 hits to get land back" isn't it haxor?
but LaF will just keep farming won't they?

I like this change.

this is a double edge sword idea. on the one hand, you are encouraging people who otherwise would not post, to make an effort and post. on the other hand, it is also encouraging people to make a mindless post just to get an extra few points and a slight game advantage.

yeah btw, I AM out of retirement, and playing a half assed netter. not a leadership type for anyone however, so please don't contact me, as I will give answers that are amusing to me, and have no actual bearing on Paradigm, or anyone else for that matter.

Drow
Retired PDM loon
Former VP
Former HoW
Former Master of TAN
Drinker of beer
Spammer of boards

if it's about my country, just retal me ffs. twas a single hit.

just because I don't PERSONALLY see a reason for the war doesn't mean I am against it. I am still in there hitting away. That's just what you do. Voice your disagreement sure, but when push comes to shove I will still be there all guns blazing.

Then, maybe I just like blowing fluff up :p

meh. honestly, I think this war is pointless, and imo we had no real reason to war you. I hate grudge wars tbh.
buuuut... fluff happens. let's blow fluff up anyways :p

10 mil turrets is no small amount, and definitely nothing to sniff at. the point I was making is the fact that for that amount of acres GRABBED, the target also had FAR more land than the attacker. jets and turrets cost roughly the same to maintain. this is why the implication (through costs for land) that the defender was under defended.

again l:l is ONLY going to apply to the victim country. If the victim country cant muster the mil to get their land back within 48 hours, they miss out. And whichever NA'er it was making smart arse comments: we posted about our retal policy at the start of the set before the issues with fist. So unless we started hitting you then, stfu :)

to the haters who were claiming we wouldn't stick to our policy against a larger clan, and claiming we are nothing but bullies: also feel free to STFU. The current situation with NA is us backing our policy and NA backing theirs.

topfeeding per se was eliminated from the game by pang. Best results come from having roughly equal NW's these days, which can only imply this target was horribly underdefended. Simple really... /shrug

yeah, pretty much any spam hitter can do it. Watching someone use 120 turns in wartime in sub 30 seconds is always highly amusing :p

my personal perspective on this would be to simply cut it off at 90%. If it's a 1k acre grab and we get around 900a on our retal, I will personally consider it closed, as its near enough as to be no odds.

ok. In response to original issue. We are backing our retal policy. Would anyone else do anything less? So yes this boils down to a policy disagreement.

Thomas l:l retals by our policy ONLY apply to the country who was originally attacked. Anyone else in the clan taking the retal gets just 1 shot. 9 out of 10 cases it will be the one shot as MOST (not all) netting countries run enough offence to LG small countries and thats about it. So normally someone else will be taking that retal. The other part of l:l isthat it has been accepted practice to stop hitting once at least 90% of the land has been regained. So in that example of the 1k acre grab previously mentioned, that 900a retal would be it. There wouldn't be an extra hit.

brilliant!

requiem is not CURRENTLY banned for anything that I am aware of.
Req being req however, I am SURE something will come along soon enough ;)

<3 req
:p

see now this thing about leaders cheating I would dearly like to see. feel free to insite it to me.
I'm not carrying it on, simply refuting OGT's claim that we deliberately targeted him because he was in collab then in fist.
as a person I don't think you're that bad, and I recall having had many many good convos with you over both PDM and cammy when it was around.
that doesn't mean I can't disagree and disapprove certain of your actions and attitudes, which is basically what it omes down to.
I didn't bring it here to carry it on, in fact I specifically decided NOT to name you because I was trying to point out that it was irrelevant other thaan to refute OGT's point.

you ARE one of those retarded things.
actually I was more referring to the killed, restarted farmed, suicides, future set grudge wars etc etc.
nice short sharp war, make our point then back to the negotiaion table. simple.

OGT: you've known me long enough.
we didn't know, or care, that you were in the fist.
we don't even have a particular problem with collab, just a certain leader there.
we all know who, and we all know why, no need to reiterate it.
in short, don't take fluff so personally.
Liet is also one of PDM's oldest members for the record, he was an old hand when I started. RoF has been around almost as long as I have ;)
don't assume that because they don't post on the boards that they don't exist.

so far as I knew, the wheels fell off the coalition before it even got rolling. That said, there's always next set.

yeah you were, but you wouldn't let us have thomas for a landfarm for the set so we had to look elsewhere :p

thread has merit.

now now patty, just because you still recall my drunken ramblings all over ect back in the slit wars :p
balin is not in the same drunkenness league as me piggy and brett...
On account of his not being australian, scottish or irish :p

PS. Ty to fist and the rest of PDM for conducting ourselves in an honourable fashion and taking things back to the talking table before the retarded things started happening :)

now now patty, just because you still recall my drunken ramblings all over ect back in the slit wars :p
balin is not in the same drunkenness league as me piggy and brett...
On account of his not being australian, scottish or irish :p

joe: thanks for the compliment.

I've stayed out of this pretty much entirely.
All I will say is that we were NOT looking for a war.
I haven't seen all the news on this, RL has been a fluff lately and I barely have time to run a country right atm, so I cannot comment on the lead up, only that I trust Detmer's decision to lead us into war was justified.

We will be signing coalition pacts this set. in short, this means that if you sign one of us, you are signing all of us.
leaders from all alliances concerned will be along to confirm.
thanks!

to discuss pacting, I can be caught on MSN at
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Drow
Paradigm VP

Set after that SLIT strikes back but does so in seperate non co-aligned wars and the winning streak from that point on starts for SLIT.

that was the set AFTER actually.
before that, Rage, PDM and someone else (I forget who) hit ix and smashed them silly, whilst tie took on sof, and I believe were just starting to get beaten down by sof when rage and pdm jumped into that also. (wasn't pdm's best moment :/) LaF had pacted out, and I THINK SoL went after RIVAL.

after that ix systematically raped rage for a couple of sets, smashing them to a shadow of their former selves, then jumped PDM at 120 v 80 after that. the set ix jumped pdm was the set that sol ix and LaF turned their backs on tie. ix asked PDM for a cf so they could FS ti, because they believed tie was going to fs them. the following set was the first tie/pdm v sol/ix war.

also pang, you forgot about tie's involvement in the first slit war under the guise of enigma. PDM actually FS'd enigma whilst RAGE FS'd sol, as sol had planned on jumping PDM, and had asked rage to join them. enigma then grew out of tag with their restarts, before jumping en masse back into their tag and smashing PDM and rage horribly with solidly built countries that had escaped the ravages of war, whilst everyone else's countries were spent, on both sides.

Last I knew, comwood was expecting his 3rd? child, with Daria, and yeah on top of running his business, well... free time would be rather lacking I would think.
Especially given that the last time I recall seeing him actually active within PDM for awhile, he was seriously considering shutting ES down altogether because the userbase was down to something like just 1500 people for the whole of earth. given it's smaller again, and the actual server ES was on was failing horribly, I honestly don't see him bringing it back. it's a pity, but I think it's the truth :(

we stole omega's exploding puppy dogs and crack cookies, and sof's fluff.
we supply our own strippers however :D

MD closed their doors near the end of E:2025. I was there for a little just before they did so, acting as an FA type and such. bombay and academus took most of tthe gang to AE.
I retired altogether for awhile then got dragged back to PDM :p

lol. LaF NEVER EVER do anything...
right....

no not starting anything right here, just laughing as another alliance closes its doors after problems with LaF, and yet LaF is again the entirely innocent party (well according to them).

you might have done the boxcar site up... but when you create something for a clan, you don't get bored ad delete everything simply because you are quitting. the decent thing to do is leave it.
did you see me deleting everything left right and centre from the ES site when I retired for a time?

DW you aren't the only person I have had issues with this over in the past. it happened in the revolution site too when the HiA quit.

*points and laughs at whole thread*

this as merit :p

and AxA... should ask thomas about what happened to PDM's EE site after he failed in his attempt to overthrow wari as VP and comwood as pres...

if anything thomas, you should feel special that we all went out of our way to name our countries after you ;)

liet Kynes sighting!
long time no see bud!

thomas: you have me on MSN, axa I have since added you. it's not like it would have been hard to find me :P

that's because you are n00b.

yeah trying to wall ONE is bad enough :p

meh. i already freely admitted I failed to ensure that we had retal countries. My false belief that there was no real ill will towards paradigm that would lead to farming. Our big beef, with LaF, settled after laf generously dropped their remaining reps.
And yeah, our member retalled incorrectly. Did your leaders look for myself or bodyman to resolve it? No. You chose to kill our member without so much as a heads up.
But enough of this political crap and justification bullfluff.
Lets have some more fun already.

503 defends... I'll take that, given the rust :p
once again, well done

ok you got me :p well played... Phone walling is tough, and I blew turns early that i shouldnt have. Well done collab :)

lol yeah you were oversending :p I bought up 10k initially just to slow people up :p

so long as I can be at home, awake and have turns to wall it out :p

:P