I'm actually for less regulation. I said to remove the post about rules because it is pointless if not enforced. The reason I say that is because as it stands, I can't ask friends for help if getting suicided by 3 people. If I do, then I will be breaking the rule because other people are.

firefighter access

I was killed last set and I agree. That said, you should remove the rule from the forum post about rules that says team killing is not allowed before telling people to deal with it. I was most definitely team killed. Three separate countries participated (one got deleted for extremely belligerent messages). I've seen this happen a few times now. It's different on team, alliance, ffa to have multiple people suiciding you, but here it's just lame. How am I supposed to fight back against 3 ppl while following the server rules? Like the other guy that was killed, though, I take responsibility for forgetting to join GDI.

new trump travel ban

progressives crying everywhere

Obama phone tap?

Wrong dystopia... we're slaves to soma :/

True. PTSD or similar are not fair game to joke about...

I'd trust a narcissist reporting on himself before I'd trust ANY MSM.

How about we just increase the price of jets instead? Let's form a union like good communists.

What is the best strategy to play when no bots anyways?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on9TXY8kYyk

Queer used to mean weird or odd! Even homosexual wasn't a word until the 1860's. The greeks just used to call it love... which was for men and women. Why you so bigoted macdaddy?

Top 10 despite myself lol


Good set all, congrats to top 25

Then do so now since your turns should be banked? Oh, you wasted them on CC?

It would be hard for LoC to create them with 100k networth in protection without killing some of their countries off, yes.

Isn't it funny that all of them were made immediately after your countries died? Unless, of course, another 16 countries died at the exact same time? And restarted with the same ratio of troops/turrets that you died with?

And you might have no beef with CC, but your obviously (poorly) trying to antagonize CC against LoC.

Don't insult people's intelligence lol

That's macdaddy's restart.

Note all the country #'s around his that LoC has killed lol

No idea what the mass media definition of a terrorist is :P

In 2015, since I guess that's the year you're using, 9 were killed in Charleston church, in hopes of starting a race war.
5 killed in Chattanooga, Tennessee motivated by "foreign terrorist organization propaganda".
9 killed in Roseburg, Oregon, attacker asked victims their religion before shooting.
3 killed in Colorado Springs, Colorado at Planned Parenthood clinic
14 killed at San Bernardino, California inspired by "foreign terrorist groups".

I guess the mass media definition does not include all terrorist attacks, but I'm pretty sure any reasonable person would call each one of these incidents a terror incident. Of course, there were about 30,000 killed worldwide due to terrorist attacks in 2015, so the US is extremely safe (from terror) comparatively. (And note that only a handful of people were actually killed by toddlers, usually the toddlers killed themselves, so your chances of being killed by a toddler are much, much lower)

@Meistro, 100% agree, though, Obama wasn't the first or last who has acted in stuff like that. Trump surely will do the same type of things. It would be nice if Liberals stopped harping on every single word Trump says and save it for the big stuff that matters so people will actually take them seriously when it is time to cry wolf :P

Not correct, and adding the "much more" in there makes me wonder if you checked the numbers or got that statistic off a FB post ;) (no offense, I just saw the same post and checked the numbers lol)

Anyways, there is no moral high ground here. Yes fear of terrorists is overblown. There would be no need to accept refugees from many of these countries without US interference (much of that interference happened under Obama). Democrats aren't arguing that the government should stop bombing these countries, they are arguing that we should accept people cause it's the right thing to do. In other words, they want to feel good about themselves because you can be sure they don't care at all about these people. If they did, then they would care about what would happen to them after coming to the US. Consider the fact that 2/3 of Syrian refugees into Europe are barely literate or illiterate in their own languages. If they were to come to the US, you're looking at 1-2+ years before they can even speak English. If they're adults who can't write or read in English, and aren't going to school, you're looking at lifetime welfare. They couldn't even get a job as a cashier if they're illiterate and can barely speak English. So people do not care about these people coming here and being successful, they care about feeling good about themselves without donating to charity.

As far as immigrants, rather than refugees, the US has always had an extremely restrictive immigration policy, so I don't see the big deal. Meh.

"Sorry I flipped out on your leader and raged a bit."

Literally an apology. Alternative facts going on here...

Qui n’avance pas, recule

That said, affirmative action in general is terrible. The idea was that it was supposed to be a temporary stop gap not a permanent structure. Can we not get rid of it and laugh at this girl at the same time?

Also, many of the studies saying that white women are the primary beneficiary of affirmative action are flawed. Unfortunately, there is no scientific method in political science. I've read some of those studies and wonder how the researchers ever got into a position to write a paper on the subject. Oh, right, affirmative action.

Aye that is what happened

Pm me

Often times, those people who do not serve in the military these days have not experienced the world. They are struggling along with hope and emotions, thinking the world is a beautiful place. Our ancestors had their big wars, WW1, WW2, Vietnam, etc where a large portion of them participated and gained perspective on the world. Now, with a volunteer military, people who do not serve in it lose that opportunity for perspective. People who haven't served are often times the one sending the military into conflict because everything is very distant for them. They talk about Israel, but have never stepped inside the city of Jerusalem. They talk about middle-eastern dictators, but have never been to those countries, have never seen those countries destabilize. Everything is virtue signalling for a lot of kids who have never served these days. They want to show that they too are important parts of the world. While military guys are usually quiet about the horrors they actually faced, virtue signalling youth who never served cry about a broken fingernail.

I think what he is saying is that you are one of these virtue signalling lunatics.

What a terrible argument.

If you want to convince people, especially people who have probably already researched a subject, you cannot just say "look it up it's obvious". What is obvious to you may not be obvious to someone else, and it might only be obvious to you because you're suffering from cognitive dissonance. Anyways, the idea that Tillerson is bad because of ties to Russia hinges on the false idea that Russia is our enemy and doing business with Russia is treason. We are not in the cold war any longer. Businessmen, especially those in charge of multi-national conglomerates, are going to do business with other countries. When those countries are big players in the oil industry and the conglomerates are involved in the oil industry, those business are going to do A LOT of business with other countries. Since your only argument is on the morality of doing business with Russia, then your argument falls apart because there is no moral argument against doing that business.

And doing business with a country does not mean you are in their pocket. Because you buy coffee from Starbucks, does that mean you are somehow on their payroll and feel obligated to provide them with favors?

I lived in Quebec for awhile and they were not 1.25 a pack. I don't know wtf you're smoking.

It's a good thing people are finally trying to pay attention to politics after completely ignoring them for the last 20 years. It's a bad thing that people do not understand politics so decide that everything that Trump does is "the devil" when realistically a lot of the things he is doing are practical and should have been done long ago. For example, a freeze on hiring in non-security government positions and shutting down NPR and PBS that is meant to counter growing government and MAY even help shrink government. Something that is long overdue and even the most ardent of Trump haters I know would have said they are in favor of (if anyone else but Trump enacted these measures). This happens when you are brought up in leftist controlled school systems and watch CNN like gospel without fact checking from a wide variety of different sources on both sides of the divide.

This lack of variety in people's information (for which there is no excuse in this day and age) is also the reason that people hate every single one of Trump's cabinet positions despite the fact that they are all successful in multiple avenues of life rather than just career politicians who are being groomed to be the next <insert political position here>. We have seen how this grooming of people without real world experience has left the US. I mean, Hillary Clinton was the "most qualified candidate ever" despite the fact that her qualifications were garbage. First lady as a qualification? What? As a
senator she did nothing and certainly nothing good and the only reason she was a senator was because of who her husband was.

She was by far the worst secretary of state, ever. I don't know how much uranium she needs to sell to Russia, how many bribes she needs to take from Saudi Arabia, how many third world countries experiencing natural disasters she needs to embezzle from and take advantage of, how many weapons she needs to sell to terrorists, how many governments like Libya she needs to be involved in overthrowing, how many times she has to advocate for using Nukes on places like Iran, how many lies she has to tell the American people about her roles in places like Benghazi (note: she had to lie for Obama to be re-elected as there was a precedent set when the whole Carter-embassy thing happened), and so on, for her to be considered a bad secretary of state by Democrats who were never really watching.

As Nigel Farage said, "most of you guys [career polticians] have never held a real job in your life". Having a long career in politics, considering how bad politicians have screwed things up, should not be considered an important job requirement for any of these positions.

Also, since when do Democrats hate the Russians? They used to LOVE LOVE LOVE the Russians. Or was that just when they were the Soviets and involved in a deep and bitter cold war with the US? Do the Democrats only like the enemies of the US or do they only like communists?

Start a war, overthrow a dictator, feel good about yourself, ignore the countries that fall into shambles afterwards. Give foreign aid to a dictator, feel good about yourself, ignore the fact that the dictator uses it to pay off his generals and further oppress his people. The Democrat way.

I feel bad for you because you probably remember the days when CNN was still credible. The thing is, they underwent a massive restructuring and now CNN doesn't try to be accurate, they try to be relavent. They do so by evoking fear to the masses. They found out in 2001 that fear sells and had hugely declining ratings for year after that fear went away. A decade later they were faced with a choice, continue to have journaistic integrity or make money. You can guess what they chose.

Don't believe anything that doesn't come directly from the source anymore. If someone on CNN tells you that "people" in the Republican party or "people" in the intelligence community are saying things, that should be a HUUUUUUUUGE red flag for you. If your kid fails to bring home a report card with proof of his grades, you don't believe him if he says "people" are saying he got straight A's. No names, no source, no credibility. Using the word "people" allows them to blatantly lie and not be sued.

Lol why waste over 3.5 million spies to get like 5 attacks through BTL? Why not just kill the country?

Higher taxes and more expensive liquor too.

Strategically, if you want to get to the top of the charts, and there is an ability for someone to bring you lower on the charts by warring you, then you should expect to get warred on. Which makes war part of the strategy you should expect to employ. If you accept that it is a strategy game, then you have to accept that some people will have a strategy that involves killing your country. Do you think America became the most powerful country in the world without going to war?

I don't care about getting top 10. The fact that we started with the same NW and you ended up with 1/4 of my NW and didn't break my defense once is pretty telling.

PS. You should use express to build better countries. Like I told you, your country was built like Iraq. Awful.

The difference is that PvP is enabled on this game. If you play a game with PvP interactions, then you can't complain when they happen. Suck it up, buttercup.

lmao if you guys are upset about warring in this game maybe you should go play simcity?

They probably won't see your point either. It would be different if he was GSing you too or something.

Also, it's just a game bud. Chill out lmfao.

Yes, I did see the timing and date. I still don't see your point.

Because he LGed you once? What?

BC born, with the military in Saskatchewan till end of April then back home :)

I am mixing governments and companies because of the current state of cronyism in the USA; however, companies need not be required. Every government has special interests who the government/party/dictator is beholden to. For dictators, it may be generals, etc. I suggest reading the Dictator's Handbook for more information on it. Interesting stuff.

No, pollution is taxed because it helps make government bigger. The government does not care about bad things it cannot make a profit on or use to help consolidate it's power. Democrats, for example, spent a hundred years fighting against giving black people rights until they realized that they can buy votes off them for a fraction of the price it takes to get a white vote. It's no coincidence that once Democrats took an interest in blacks has a strong correlation to the fall of the black family, the welfare state etc. You don't hear anyone talking about things that can not help make money or buy votes no matter how morally bad. For example, USAID funds dictators with billions of dollars every year. These dictators in turn provide allegience or favors to the US, who can then use that allegience to secure major business deals for their partners. The partners make a profit and pay off the politicians (ie. The pay for play Hillary did) but it isn't just her every politician. Obama left the White House far richer than he entered it with, and all Presidents do. The best way to become rich is to become a corrupt politician or to know one.

They put taxes on things to begin with because the government is a cancer that continually tries to expand and expand until it is in every crevice of society. No government voluntarily gets smaller, and all governments try to become bigger, so if there is something that they can tax, they will find a reason to tax it. In democracies, usually the reasons have to be appeals to emotion, so they tell people that things that are unhealthy (ie. cigarettes) or immoral (ie. pollution) need to be taxed. In dictatorships, they just tax everything without reason. People on the left usually eat it up and love these taxes. "Oh my government, my God, please take my money" they say, but really it is no different than how it is done in dictatorships, you just feel slightly better about it. Don't think for a second they're taxing these things because it costs society money. It wouldn't cost society money in the first place if they didn't implement the measures that ensured it would cost society money. Most of the money from these taxes will go back into the soda companies pockets through subsidies or tax breaks in one way or another, and so soda will still cost society just as much if not more money and the debt will continue to grow to astronomical numbers.

That said, yeah soda makes you fat as fluff. Don't drink it if you can avoid it. Just don't think that a corporation that views you in terms of whatever group you may fall into has your best interest in mind. They don't care if you're fat. They care that you have money that they can coerce you into giving them.

pmed you

Meh. The sharing is caring argument is flawed, though. People are not dying of starvation because others have billions of dollars worth of a fiat currency that isn't actually backed by anything substantial. I mean, you can throw all the money you want at a problem and it won't be solved. The reason a lot of dictators are still around is because they are propped up by yuppy liberals that see pictures of starving children and want their government to help. Often times in democracies, politicians, who are trying to buy votes, throw money at dictators to "feed the starving". That money is then used to pay off generals and keep the dictator in power when if those democracies would have just minded their own damn business the generals would not be paid and the dictator would be overthrown. Eventually, those countries would have to become more productive to pay off generals, so they'd be forced to provide food and freedom for their people.

As far as starvation in western nations, usually there are other problems besides money involved. ie. mental illnesses, drugs, bad family structure, etc. Considering the USA and other western countries are the fattest countries on the planet, it doesn't make sense that people are starving cause billionaires. 1/4 homeless people have mental illnesses, over 1/2 abuse drugs or alcohol, and some are runaways from terrible families that would only be more terrible if there was an even bigger welfare state.

And I mean, suffering is going to happen no matter what. Taking money away from billionaires is not going to help with suffering. Communist nations, for example, are notorious for having more suffering than any other kind of ideology in history.

"Life is suffering - that's why we have weed." - Gandhi

Democracies, Republics, etc should be affected less by earthquakes and any authoritarian government should be affected more.

"We have in mind the consequences of natural disasters like earthquakes, cyclones, tsunamis, and drought. These certainly are not political events, but their consequences are the product of how rulers best allocate revenue and how people’s freedom to organize shape allocation decisions."

Ref: Dictator's Handbook

Bah! Darn smart phones and careers :P I was in grade 8 or 9 when I last played this game, so I guess that's why I haven't played since. You're right priorities sure do shift. :( Good to see you're still around and kicking, Primeval. I think I remember you, faintly, from back in the day, which is surprising because I don't even remember my own forum name from back then.

Still, anyone getting bulled or afraid of losing their top countries needs to stand up for themselves haha. We didn't used to get restarts back in the day (admittedly, I don't think anyone was running less than 75 countries and I remember kids I went to school with running hundreds under tags like IMP and FBI). I never thought this game was fun just netgaining. Hopefully something happens around here! If any new war clans need an old noob like me next set, let me know.

I left in like 2000 or 2001 and it felt like there was always a good server war and always a few war clans. I've been back for most of this set and there hasn't been a war yet!

Is CC the only war clan around these days? Just wondering because I'm not sure I'll play next reset if it is as tame as this.

Also, whatever happened to the usual suspects like Rats, etc?