I really do not know, as I came in at very end of that war. I only know that RAGE came in to help out SoF and as such were joining SoF war channel. I have no clue what targets were selected nor even by whom. I joined war chat channel but since my country was not ready, I did not really pay any attention.

According to mdevol - Before the RAGE FS it was SoF and LaF vs SoL and MD vs SoF.
Does not mention LCN but that doesnt mean for certain they were not involved.

Wiki shows 25% of allies military. So it would be 250k of your allies jets, but never exceeding max you send.

1) I fail to understand how running joint WCL for alliances during a war is saying that one clan is running another. So is MD running SoL, PDM, TPA, etc this set? No prolly not, at least not because they are running joint WCL's. I joined at very end of war last set, think was last 2 days, and just starting my country it was not ready to participate. By time it was ready the war was over. Those last couple days however there was a joint SoF war channel, have no clue about prior. This does not mean SoF was running RAGE however.
2) RAGE gaining 10 members midset is just that .. purely conjecture. I know of at least 4 of us that joined RAGE last set from Juice's old game. You would have to ask Juice how many were recruited, but I think it was more than that. I dont know how many were already in RAGE prior vs how many of us just joined. But I do know at least 4 of us just started. There were couple others including iScode that were recruited from the server. None of which came from SoF, except maybe iScode (havent really followed all that drama, but seems like I heard was in SoF but could be mistaken). At any rate that is only one that might have. I dare anyone to send me proof of SoF tagging up as RAGE in pvt email or I will even discuss it in pvt.
3) I can also tell you that all clan decisions are made by RAGE leadership. Getting advise from others like SoV is just that, an advisor and friend, than RAGE makes up its own mind what it wants to do.
4) I have heard some of the reasons from various RAGE members as to why supporting SoF as well as dropping two FDP's. The mentality is basically the same from every RAGE member I have heard and has nothing to do with SoF running RAGE. FailDiegoFail has already posted in AT some of those reasons. Why not ask RAGE leadership if you really want to know, as I am sure they will tell you.

RAGE may have done a lot of things recently, but one thing they did well was heavy recruiting last set and this set, which brought some old ragers back, recruited others from server as well as brought new players to game from another old game. It was a successful recruitment and had nothing to do with SoF. The relationship between some other clans changes just like it does in RL, but it is just simply a close relationship and not any kind of take over. RAGE respects it current ties with SoF, but who knows that may change in the future or it may not.

Agreed, it is a game, so have fun.

yes more than 20k and no have not done any attacks or LG

20:32 ee GS Kick Your Ass Bear (#427) [MD] --> Suicidal (#189) [RAGE] -- 66C
20:32 ee GS Kick Your Ass Bear (#427) [MD] --> Suicidal (#189) [RAGE] -- 65C
20:32 ee GS Kick Your Ass Bear (#427) [MD] --> Suicidal (#189) [RAGE] -- 64C
20:32 ee GS Kick Your Ass Bear (#427) [MD] --> Suicidal (#189) [RAGE] -- 62C
20:32 ee GS Kick Your Ass Bear (#427) [MD] --> Suicidal (#189) [RAGE] -- 61C

and lil while later...

21:15 ee GS EDSA Dos (#702) [TPA4EVER] --> Suicidal (#189) [RAGE] -- 56C
21:16 ee GS EDSA Dos (#702) [TPA4EVER] --> Suicidal (#189) [RAGE] -- 54C
21:16 ee GS EDSA Dos (#702) [TPA4EVER] --> Suicidal (#189) [RAGE] -- 53C
21:16 ee GS EDSA Dos (#702) [TPA4EVER] --> Suicidal (#189) [RAGE] -- 51C
21:16 ee GS EDSA Dos (#702) [TPA4EVER] --> Suicidal (#189) [RAGE] -- 49C

later still...

21:22 ee GS (#685) [MD] --> Suicidal (#189) [RAGE] -- 5C
21:22 ee GS (#685) [MD] --> Suicidal (#189) [RAGE] -- 5C
21:23 ee GS (#685) [MD] --> Suicidal (#189) [RAGE] -- 5C
21:23 ee GS (#685) [MD] --> Suicidal (#189) [RAGE] -- 5C

and finally:

21:23 ee GS Wrath of Symbolic (#674) [RAGE] --> Suicidal (#189) [RAGE] -- 5C
21:23 ee GS Wrath of Symbolic (#674) [RAGE] --> Suicidal (#189) [RAGE] -- 5C
21:23 ee GS Wrath of Symbolic (#674) [RAGE] --> Suicidal (#189) [RAGE] -- 5C
21:23 ee GS Wrath of Symbolic (#674) [RAGE] --> Suicidal (#189) [RAGE] -- 5C
21:23 ee GS Wrath of Symbolic (#674) [RAGE] --> Suicidal (#189) [RAGE] -- 5C
21:23 ee GS Wrath of Symbolic (#674) [RAGE] --> Suicidal (#189) [RAGE] -- 5C
21:23 ee GS Wrath of Symbolic (#674) [RAGE] --> Suicidal (#189) [RAGE] -- 5C

o.O

hmm guess one of ours decided they were having little trouble with this KR, so decided to help them out.

Not going to say this is incorrect, as I just cant be bothered to go actually investigate this. However the ones suiciding that I seen, were hitting SoL and Rage (think was also LaF too). I remembering thinking well at least they are not favoring one side over another as they were suiciding on both sides.

Hmm that is interesting. I still do not like this idea, but will admit it does have merit and better pro's than the blanket 80(80) all set suggestion.

1) The beginning of the set is when one normally is wanting to spend turns more quickly (at least imho). This will slow that down, especially coming out of protection. But it will do so even for many hours after as you will have less stored turns as well.

2) This will also kill the bulk batch explore of 126 turns (towards end of first week ?? think it is) and ruin a lot of strats.

3) While it may encourage clans considering the FS bit later in the set and not doing it so soon, this change is a major change and has far more reaching affects and impacts than just this. It will impact everything from max NW, to bulk explores to even having smaller amounts to put on market in early days of the set, etc. I think if the main idea is encourage delaying the FS, there should be better suggestions to address that, than one that affects so many other things.

I am getting this message when trying to sell Tanks in FFA for last couple days now:
"Some of your goods could not be placed for sale."

Everything else goes to market, I have tried set amounts as well as 'sell all' tanks. What is odd is there are tanks on market so apparently someone was able to put them on market and/or they were placed on market prior to this issue.

Agreed, what Kalick stated above sounds pretty spot on imho. Kudos to that alliance. War is only fun if both sides are hitting, so I for one appreciate it.

Meh I am one of those supposed whiners. I was bored and decided to have some fun, which was perceived as whining. But anyway just glad that for most part all the clans are fighting.

OI!!! .. uhm yea I do NOT like that last one at all. 80(80) o.O

I have no issues with the algorithm slow down thing. Yea it might need to be tweaked some, but am sure that can be worked out, would be nice to work it out prior to implementation though.

I agree with most of this .. with one major difference. I disagree with heavily stacked in their favor. Yes they had an advantage but they could still have messed it up and lost that advantage and thus the war. MD did not do this and instead have done well.

As to original OP question, I can not discuss as its only been one set that I have seen. I have gotten some vague ideas, but those can not be confirmed or denied in my mind til I have seen more.

Agreed, this really should be changed somehow. The quickest any country should be able to be killed imho should be minimum of 2 minutes.

meh tbh I was happy once MD started hitting RAGE cause imho it was getting rather boring until that point. I actually did not notice any impact nor fact that SoL had started hitting until I seen the war reports. MD already had the fire power to break us for the other clans to finish our countries off and already inflicting damage to RAGE. So yea I am not surprised that SoL did this to make it more convenient as it really was not necessary otherwise.

I was just having fun before :p but more importantly I just think a clan should make things official. It is not very classy of them if they dont imho.

Call it w/e you want mates, I had best laugh in awhile now. So much so, that I lost track of time and missed dinner. I call it facts, you call it whining *shrugs* I just hope you had as much fun as I did.

Back to warring now. Cause it is looking like MD means business and is kicking butt so cant afford to spend all my time in these threads as enjoyable as it may have been.

Just try a lil harder, I am finding it easy if you really try.

Odd, when I hear someone whine, complain or fluff, they definitely are not laughing. But hey if you all do, than I would love to have you all around more often. Laughter is catchy ;)

Hmm ok re-read .. and uhm nope. I LAUGHED as hard just now as I did when I wrote it LOL.

I made a thread asking if there was a war dec and that is whinging. *shakes his head*

NO I did not forget who is on which side. That is how I noticed about SoL, as prior, majority of their hits were against LaF. That is no longer the case, and their hit spread was pretty much even against all clans.

Nevermind, I did not realize so many can not read or comprehend. Which now explains why I did not find a war dec from SoL. So thanks for answering OP question .... finally.

I am not fooling around. I already told you, it was about 2 weeks left of the set last set when I came back to this game. War was already over.

yes 3 of those clans combined are equal size of RAGE, however the other two (MD and SoL) have more than 45+ each. So Alin sorry but you need to stop fooling around and actually read, pay attn, and learn to count. If you had read, you would know that I said that I thought it was funny that MD and now SoL had to jump in to help out in what "was" an equal total number fighting each other.

But yea, anyway the more the merrier. My laugh is over.

Good luck with that

I did not want a server war.

What sins of last set? Did that involve RAGE and 4 other clans hitting one clan? The set was almost over by time I came back to this game last set. All I did was burn few hundred turns and sell some puny stock.

But hey if it involves a war, that is cool with me, I will be the devil incarnate if that is what it takes :D

Of course it is, you have to join the fun of killing.

Besides restarts here are aweome, almost like you got free several hundred turns already played. So no big deal if your killed :p

I have looked and can not find any war dec from SoL against RAGE. So am I just missing it, or were they just too lazy to post one.

I think it is hilarious, that TPA/ICN/DK (and supposedly PDM whom rage declared against but really did not hit back) were apparently not doing enough damage to RAGE, so MD had to step in 48 hours ago. No surprise there, but think it is funny that now SoL has to step in to also attack RAGE. From the looks of things without even a war dec. Really? You need 5 clans to hit us lol.

icn is still hitting, however I fail to understand what this has to do with this thread.

meh I disagree and agree with you iScode .. for an early war you might as well do AB's as killing them this early in the set is pointless. The restarts of small country is guess what, pretty much a small country and about the same size. I will agree that it was poor war strategy, but for other reasons than AB being the FS.

However this war is far from over yet. No surprise since restarting small country is pretty easily done :P

That sucks, best of wishes to you and hopefully it will change.

They pretty much all are boring targets, that is the problem with such early wars. If you must insist on doing an early war it should be done immediately OOP .. not wait a week. As soon as everyone leaves protection. Still would be boring targets but is little better than what we have now.


*Disclaimer, yes I know you did not do the FS, just speaking in general.

To be clear, this is pretty much how I originally interpreted it. That is trouble with written word, guess it is all a matter of how you read it.

As to the raw nerve of others, that is for all those other clans to answer for and irrelevant in this thread, so please answer elsewhere.

I still say Good Luck mates and war on.

Why couldnt bright Spoonman say this.


Plans and alliances change though, and like I already said, You really cant expect someone to come right out and say OH btw we are planning to do a FS on you. Pacts and commitments are broken all the time in real wars. Is it underhanded? Sure of course it is but it is not immoral. More importantly this is just a game.

Put up or shut up I say .. and looks like most clans have chose to put up (so far anyway) which is good. War on mate and have fun.

OFC I do, same as most people. Have you ever heard of sarcasm?
Not so classy acts in a war game, come on seriously. Yet you have to ask me if I have a brain.

Topfeeding is just simply stupid. Size whether it is land, NW or rank never matters in war. All that does is maybe give an advantage or make one an underdog. In war and in war games this is common and happens all the time. It rarely ever stops anyone from warring.

Backstabbing, once again is common in both war and war games. One often misleads others, breaks pacts, etc. It would be silly to always tell your enemy what you are or are not going to do. In fact if you expect everyone to be completely honest in a war game, than you would be the one without any common sense.

We are not talking about raping and pillaging innocent civilians. We are not talking about cheating of any kind. We are not talking about defeating the main point of the game. We are not even talking about harassment or in real threats. All of those I would consider to be less than classy, not some silly things that happen in every war and war game I know.

Only half? Aww I was kinda hoping for more of a challenge, but I guess a war is a war so can not complain too much.

Btw Tav - your math equation really should have a space before the 'equal' sign .. or .. remove all the other spaces around the math symbols.

Not so classy acts pfft .. what you mean like this so called topfeeding. Hitting a country bigger than you OMG NO. Or maybe you are talking about the not so classy acts of land trading instead of actual LG with reciprocal retals, oh no wait that can not be it as it appears most clans around here do that.

I know, it is the not so classy acts of actually warring in a war game, yea that must be it.

I dont know, what ever those acts are, just leave me out of it. I am hugging my trees with a death iron grip and you cant pull me away from my trees.

Good thing I am hugging trees this set :D

The best war dec of the three .. barely.

Good Luck mates.

Well another lame war dec .. but at least there is one.

Good Luck mates.

Well that is a lame war dec .. but at least there is one.

Good Luck mates.

Meh cause they were all smaller clans that together are roughly same number of countries. It is 3-ring circus server war around here, and as such to be expected. Clan A hits Clan B, whom doesnt hit back and instead hits Clan C, whom hits Clan D. *rolls his eyes*


Aww did Goliath's feelings get hurt, those poor poor bigger countries :(

Meh I was already thinking some of the same things, than read your post and you had already stated it so much better than I could have, so did not see point in posting the same/similar questions. Ones that went unanswered I might add, so I seen it as even more pointless to post.

Uhm I think Tellarion was referring to Sov, not you there mate ;)

I seen where Martian posted some results .. confusing and conflicting results that is. When someone asked some very valid and good questions about those results, oddly there was no reply to clarify Martian's supposed results.

Agreed .. GAY

but hey, we are only here for the alchy (apparently mostly anyway) :D

Hmm, so do you mind sharing all those ops on those LaF countries .. could use some more land for my growing trees :D

And what you cant do couple friendly attacks and net at same time .. pfft


Guess SoF is not in the know than *goes back to hugging trees*

If that is true than I wants my SoF password to join their site *mad*

And who says that they aren't?