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KoHeartsGPA

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Jan 23rd 2020, 17:08:31

Ok I've been noticing this for sets on end and I finally come to a deep suspicion that it has to be a bug, when I do a conventional spy op I fail 9 out of 10x if I only do 1 despite the opponents spal, now, if I select to do 3 then the first one 9 out of 10x gets through...is this a bug or just a coincidence?

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DruncK

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Jan 23rd 2020, 22:21:17

I always do in multiple of 3s for the exact same reason. Honestly I think it multiplys your chance of succeeding upto a maximum of 5

Requiem

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Jan 24th 2020, 0:45:54

That’s odd if true

I financially support this game; what do you do?

Helmut

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Jan 24th 2020, 1:54:26

I always put 3 too...For the same reason

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mZ0sSStW6Y

sinistril

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Jan 24th 2020, 5:22:03

I've also noticed this.

If you give a man some fire, he'll be warm for awhile. If you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

KoHeartsGPA

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Jan 24th 2020, 5:53:06

I'm glad I ain't alone on this LOL

/me looks around for Pang

Pang

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Jan 24th 2020, 23:58:27

I haven't looked at the code for a long time, but basically the way it works is that each spyop is treated individually.

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Helmut

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Jan 25th 2020, 0:11:27

Why do Bots build up immunity after many spy ops on them, even tho your countries SPAL is much higher that of the Bot ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mZ0sSStW6Y

KoHeartsGPA

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Jan 25th 2020, 0:16:50

Originally posted by Helmut:

Why do Bots build up immunity after many spy ops on them, even tho your countries SPAL is much higher that of the Bot ?

Spy DR

Helmut

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Jan 25th 2020, 1:03:22

Really ? Whats the formula ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mZ0sSStW6Y

KoHeartsGPA

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Jan 25th 2020, 1:10:56

I don't recall it exactly but once you hit 25-30 then you start bouncing more and more til 0 get through.

Helmut

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Jan 25th 2020, 1:31:20

Thank You

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mZ0sSStW6Y

KoHeartsGPA

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Jan 25th 2020, 1:57:08

You're welcome, I'm sure someone will have the formula here for you at some point ;-)

TheLegion

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Jan 25th 2020, 3:55:04

If someone knows the email I used for my original ee account "Legion" or can get me the msg files from it then I can post what the OG Earth 2025 DR formulas for both active and passive ops.. on the off chance nothing was changed..

I mean these folks cry about the game but can't even forum correctly.
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I'd rather have just the bad flu than the bad flu and migrants, so..
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sinistril

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Jan 25th 2020, 4:49:50

Originally posted by Pang:

I haven't looked at the code for a long time, but basically the way it works is that each spyop is treated individually.

Is that the intention or the result? I think you might want to recheck your code if it is the intention

If you give a man some fire, he'll be warm for awhile. If you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

Gerdler

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Jan 25th 2020, 16:32:25

This is not a real effect is my guess. First off I have not experienced it and secondly my trials on alphaFFA found no statistically significant difference for this.

Its very easy to fool oneself with stochastic effects.

KoHeartsGPA

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Jan 26th 2020, 1:33:47

I see it happen consistently in Primary and something I've noticed since I came back, could be coincidence but I'd figure it wouldn't hurt to post about it and see if anyone else experienced this ;-)

Gerdler

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Jan 26th 2020, 2:23:45

I did my tests a year back or so, so if its a new phenomena I cant be sure. Tho pang says he has not touched the code in years.

KoHeartsGPA

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Jan 26th 2020, 5:17:58

Like I said, could be coincidence.

Cerberus

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Jan 26th 2020, 7:32:32

I usually succeed on the first try, unless I'm seriously outclassed in SPAL.

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TheLegion

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Jan 27th 2020, 1:06:27

Well I can't remember if there were 2-4 different categories..

I know there was a separate deal for Active/Harmful Ops. I can't recall how the 4 'Normals' were split.. 1/3, 2/2, or as a single Passive group.

I mean these folks cry about the game but can't even forum correctly.
- galleri

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I'd rather have just the bad flu than the bad flu and migrants, so..
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DruncK

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Jan 27th 2020, 2:27:20

Bonus

Gerdler

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Jan 27th 2020, 3:20:44

Legion afaik there are only two categories of ops. One that does not give spy DR and is not affected by spy DR and another type that gives spy DR and is affected. This could be wrong tho as I have only looked at a few of the ops.

The effect is gradual and creeps up slowly. I think it starts before the 20th or 30th op.

Pang

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Jan 27th 2020, 4:22:13

To help with this, I added a premium feature that will tell you the likelihood of an op succeeding on a target on.

It provides a 5% range for likelihood of success with a little bit of extra fuzziness mixed in because spyops are sort of magical.

Hope that helps!

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Scorba

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Jan 27th 2020, 13:45:13

Chance of success: 125 - 130%

Gerdler

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Jan 27th 2020, 14:50:16

I also failed 5 ops in a row that said I had 85-90% chance of success.

Molotov

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Jan 27th 2020, 18:07:27

Originally posted by Scorba:

Chance of success: 125 - 130%

Yeah, it doesn't work quite right... I am over 100% no matter which country I target which is impossible, and I still fail several of them.

Also, if it did work, would that mean I can get a free estimate of anyone's SPAL?

Pang

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Jan 27th 2020, 18:35:29

Interesting, I'll take a look tonight.

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Gerdler

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Jan 27th 2020, 19:23:19

Hmm if this worked well I am not sure its a great feature. Maybe have it as info after doing a spy op instead? Or make a new op "Spy on intelligence network" That gives this information. Because if this worked I could without spending turns get an estimate of everyone SPAL in the game, which weakens the intelligence gaining/protecting aspect of having spies.

I think its great if its an added info resulting from a spy op tho. :)