What a bunch of tools these people are.

When it happens to state employees at a picnic, it's not terrorism, but when it happens to gays in Orlando it is, right?

What a load of fluff.

Stop trying to redefine everything through that pinko glass, boys.


Drop yer fluffs and grab yer socks, and cowboy the fluff up, America.

The shooter called in 911 to swear his allegiance to ISIS, a political organization prone to committing acts of terror, and then targeted a specific demographic out of hate

ter·ror·ism
ˈterəˌrizəm/
noun
the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.


It was an act of terrorism, by definition. Don't let your own political motives blind you of the truth

But it was terrorism. Domestic or not.

ter·ror·ism
ˈterəˌrizəm/Submit
noun
the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Dude didnt like the gays and claimed allegiance to ISIS

Stop being retarded.

lol at identical definition posts

The left just put Islam over gays. Defining moment for the lgbt community. Maybe the lgbt community will wake up. Prolly not though.

While I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to, and belong neither to the left or right, I'm confident from this post you've decided to align yourself in a black and white manner.

The dichotomies existing in your country are incredibly alarming on multiple levels. There are shades of grey and assessments based on context. Not every situation can be easily packaged into 'this or that'

And what bullfluff country do you call home?

^👆

You clearly don't know what im referring to because you dont know wtf your talkin about. Black, white or grey, go fluff yourself in a derogatory manner.

Canada, but I actually spend just under 50% of my time in the USA

I've been to 34 states, doing significant business in all of them. My business partner lives in Texas. I look in as a 'close outsider' and I am not saying that Canada is perfect.

But the black and whiteism going on in the USA is frightening, and it is doing nothing but stall any progression towards fixing the deep issues plaguing America and fostering hate and distrust towards the other side

Your country is broken, and the majority would prefer to blame the 'other half' than to actually use any logic, analytical or critical thought to evaluate the situations and fix them

One that we wet nurse with security do dads and personnel.

Your from canada. Stfu. Seriously.

Even look at your asinine responses, asking what country I'm from to reduce it to an 'us vs them'

This ideology is very primitive tribalism that most of the first world is eorking towards eliminating, but in Murica it is making a resurgence

Amazing! the blame the other half speach and the im almost half american.... I know fluff.

All bets are that Heston is an absolute failure in all areas of life, has terrible health, is morbidly obese and in poverty, so chooses to resort to an 'us vs them' tribalistic stance in order to feel some level of pride in his existence

#whataloser

Lol i nailed you to a cross. Bye bye now.

That's not what I said, not even close. I'm not American at all and DO NOT WANT TO BE, my intention was to show I have intimate knowledge of American culture through first hand experience- likely far more than you

You're an idiot. Probably religious, too, although that is one instance where correlation almost means causation- close enough for a general rule, anyways

You assume alot. It make you wrong alot. You talk about fluff you admit you know nothing about then run with it anyways. Who is the idiot again?

Read your first comment in this thread

You're implying that the left should denounce Islam, I'm presuming they're defending the religion while deriding the single lunatic, which you've interpreted as the left 'siding with Islam over the lgbt community'

I presume this because no one legitimate in the 'left' would state that 'Islam is above the gay community'

What you said is very black and white thinking.

Personally I believe anyone defending Islam is wrong, and following cultural relativism to the detriment of logic. All religion is dangerous, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism. Look what the Buddhists have done in Sri Lanka, Japan in the past(recently in Sri Lanka)

If a movement can make one believe absurdities, it can make them commit atrocities to paraphrase Voltaire

Heston is a microcosm of what is wrong in America. He personifies nothing but is outraged by everything, he has the attention span of a termite and the voice of a whale, he thinks deeply about nothing but reacts violently to his feelings of indignation.

We have a half dozen 24 hour TV news networks that shovel a steady diet of fear mongering and polarization down our throats and we have an ever increasing urge to be entertained by what used to be the mundane goings on of life. 30 years ago, Heston would have been just another anonymous gas station attendant confined to a small circle of friends (sic) that would get sick of his fluff and stifle him. Now, he has access to a huge circle of interweb friends (sic) that have no choice but to suffer his drivel in order to feed their information fix.

We don't think about anything anymore, we just randomly regurgitate some of BS that has been shoveled down our throats on behalf of the sponsors of our favorite news source. Heston can no more help the fact that he spews rhetorical fluff without thinking than he can control pushing the feeding lever for the hydrogenated fats that nourish him.

We created Heston, now we get to live with the consequences.

No im saying the lgbt community should leave the left. Beyond that...Get up to date with usa fubar politics and stfu until then. Your worship.

The comment about leaving the left makes no sense

And I am up to date, and it still shocks me every time I witness it that the majority fall in line in either a black or white view(whether it be blindly following whatever leftist dogma, or mindlessly regurgitating the crap you have touched on)

Makes me feel like I'm witnessing a lesser species lacking certain cognitive functions but appearing mostly human

Gary johnson for the lose. Cause im changing fluff in my imagination.

Gary jonhson, a vote for hillary in disguise.

Stay in canada and forget about it. You know what im talking aboooot. You just ignore it and play like your on a higher plain of intelligence. That the progressive way.

Besides, lgbt advocates are saying the same fluff i am about it.

Obama and democrats have a real problem. This terrorist act forces them to admit that radial islamists hate homosexuals. Next they may be confronted with how much Islam (great religion of peace) treats women.

If this keeps up then Obama may be forced to actually DO something about radical islam. Or at least change the policy of the last 7 years and stop defending the extremists....

All religions have their radicals. Opiate of the masses. Islam just happens to have countries run by them, growing opium.

religion poisons everything

e=mc2

https://youtu.be/TGTKN0DaxzQ

gun control

I think you are confusing religion with organized religion.

Heston has 3 double posts and a quadruple post in this thread.

Just to feed the flame, I just want to say that there is, politically, nothing even remotely left of conservative is the US.
Compared to the rest of the world, the US system is extreme right, ultra right, and then there is the strange clans even further to the right.

He will use it as a way to pull for his agenda of "stricter" gun laws.... no matter how strict or loose they are, people will always find a way to obtain them...

Before everything went personal and off topic, I THINK the point of the OP was that the current administration seems to be comfortable defining acts of terror as acts of terror only when the actors are non-Muslim. Case in point: when Nidal Malik Hasan shouted "Allahu Akbar!" and opened fire at Ft. Hood, the administration did triple backflips and moonwalked over water to keep the word "terrorism" out of the narrative and that this kind of padding of said narrative is typical only for those incidents involving assailants who identify as Muslim. It was a simple case of "violence in the workplace." (Obama, to his credit, did finally use the word terrorist 6 years after)

Now before any of the hard left or hard right guys get all pissy, I'm stating a FACT that can be fact checked. It isn't tempered by my opinion and the facts don't care what you or I think/feel. I do not speculate as to WHY the administration chooses to do this (ie, I do not subscribe to Obama is a Kenyan Muslim Manchurian Candidate nonsense). I am simply pointing out that if the assailant is non-Muslim, words like "terrorist" and "terrorism" seem to slide right off the tongue with the greatest of ease.

OP, feel free to tell me to STFU if I read you wrong. Not trying to put words in your mouth - I just thought that your initial point was good and worth discussing but it got lost in the sea of insults.

Another note - to the "all religion is dangerous" statement: tell me how that bigotry right there is different from any other bigotry? Religion = ideas. It's intangible. You can't pick up some religion at the sporting goods store and shoot a dozen people down with it. Ideas simply cannot hurt people. People hurt people, often over their ideas. They do it over political ideas; protests and demonstrations over political issues become violent all the time. People hurt people over social ideas; protests turn to riots involving thousands of people over issues of racial equality, police overreach and other issues in society. Even the global warming camp has straight up militant (yes, that is the appropriate word) believers who have gone so far as to say that "deniers" of their IDEA should be executed for not agreeing (Prof Richard Parncutt).

The point is this: ideas them selves cannot hurt people. This is a simple matter of physics. Only people, acting with fervor fueled by their ideas, can hurt other people (in this context. Obviously, a bear can hurt people, etc). That said, Lord Tarnava, the branding of cultural diversities (which is what religion is) as inherently evil or bad or "dangerous" is out and out bigotry. You loving champions of tolerance and diversity need to stop this double speak.

Thank you for articulating yourself well. I appreciate it when someone puts effort into what they post.

That said, I disagree with one point. Your downplay of the importance of religion as the driving factor for the millions of deaths in the last century alone is troubling to me. While it is true that religion is all about ideas and that they are nothing without human action, one cannot deny that religion has been the catalyst and propagator of mass murdering for a few centuries. Ideas drive all action in the world. ALL action. It is hard to deny, even on a semantic level, that religion plays a huge role in most conflict. Sudan. Palestine. Phillipines. European terrorist attacks. American terrorist attacks...

Hard to deny the religious zealousness.

What would possibly make you believe I am a champion of tolerance and diversity?

I slammed cultural relativism as being misguided earlier in this thread and view it as dangerous

Not all cultures are equal

All cultures are equal. Just some are more equal than others

Ya i fluffed this thread up. Sobriety ect...

*shrugs*

Sorry about that lord tarnava

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hpa6MfcY8U

Well, with all that said above, some of those thoughts are indeed on a higher level and I appreciate that discourse.

First, equating "religion" with "faith" is a non-sequitur of the first order.

I believe in God, and I believe in Jesus, but I'm not religious, nor do I force my views on anyone.

But, let me point this out. It was western Christianity that built the United States, and after a time gained a good solid foothold in Europe that allowed the Europeans to finally set aside their nationalistic differences and form up a cohesive continental political system, it led to advances in every science and art, and allowed for freedom of expression, freedom of the press and accountability for ones actions not only to an earthly government but to a God who will punish those who are deserving of it no matter what anyone else might think.

I don't have to prove God's existence, I simply choose to believe and it is so.

Why does no one ever seem to question that the attacks against Christians and Christian businesses seem to avoid mentioning the same things about Islam? I think it's because the Atheists and others are fearful of being attacked by the Islamics for any criticism, yet have no fear of doing the exact same thing to Christians who would simply ignore them, as we've been doing for many many years.

So, to sum that up, atheists are cowards at heart, not only do they not have any kind of moral compass, they deny the existence of God because they do not want to face what they know to be true at the end of days, and thus spend their time convincing themselves of their rightness.

If you want to believe there is no God, feel free to do so, but don't start trying to fluff me over because I see it differently, unless you would appreciate me pissing in your corn flakes over it.

atheists have no moral compass? *citation required*

I also believe that the number of casualties have something to do with what the government and media defines a terror attack, There is also such a thing as domestic terrorism. 49 or 50 people were killed and about that same amount were wounded. I would classify that an act of terror.

Everyone is so focused on religion playing a factor and making a statement that it's only classified as terrorism because the guy may have been a muslim. It certainly would seem that way. Because you don't see good church going christians and catholics lighting everyone up. But I think what America is going after is that maybe the Quran has too many misleading promises which allows for followers of islam/muslim to be easily manipulated and objectified into making a unibomber and religious martyr out of themselves. Religion is used as a weapon and it is powerful when it is entrusted to the right or wrong people.

An atheists only logical coarse of action is to convince believers of whatever to not believe. Since they believe religion is the root cause of human discourse. The fema camps are the final solution. Its up in the air which religion goes first. Islam is leading by light years.

i would have to disagree with the point of the significance of religion to killing especially in the past century,

Mao was by far the leading killer, Hitler, Stalin, Leopold II,Tojo, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, Menghistu ( Eithiopia late 70's), Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970) , Burundai, Rwanda, im sure that crowd gets us too about 100 Million deaths.
thoug i'll concede hitler and Stalin you can count some of there killing as religious base.

to claim religion because a person uses it and twists it for there own political power gain hardly is the religion, ISIL is killing by far more Muslims then none, Saddam Hussein killed almost nothing but muslims, Yes I guess you could blame the reading of the religion as to the Talibans few 100k killings.

As to a logical course of action for an Atheist convincing Believers to Not Believe makes Atheist no different then any Evangelical Religion. if they were true atheist i would think they would just sit back and Laugh at the Fools buying into what they think is a fallacy.

As to why the Dems can't seem to spit the words out "radical Islamist", wh knows they are afraid a few black voters might stay home and not go vote for them, As to OBummer, well his father was a muslim , he grew up in indonesia, and in Chicago he lived on the same block as Louis Farrakhan.

i would have to disagree with the point of the significance of religion to killing especially in the past century,

Mao was by far the leading killer, Hitler, Stalin, Leopold II,Tojo, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, Menghistu ( Eithiopia late 70's), Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970) , Burundai, Rwanda, im sure that crowd gets us too about 100 Million deaths.
thoug i'll concede hitler and Stalin you can count some of there killing as religious base.

to claim religion because a person uses it and twists it for there own political power gain hardly is the religion, ISIL is killing by far more Muslims then none, Saddam Hussein killed almost nothing but muslims, Yes I guess you could blame the reading of the religion as to the Talibans few 100k killings.

As to a logical course of action for an Atheist convincing Believers to Not Believe makes Atheist no different then any Evangelical Religion. if they were true atheist i would think they would just sit back and Laugh at the Fools buying into what they think is a fallacy.

As to why the Dems can't seem to spit the words out "radical Islamist", wh knows they are afraid a few black voters might stay home and not go vote for them, As to OBummer, well his father was a muslim , he grew up in indonesia, and in Chicago he lived on the same block as Louis Farrakhan.