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Jul 17th 2014, 15:56:47

http://www.cnn.com/...airlines-crash/index.html

NY Daily Times reporting it was shot down?

http://www.nydailynews.com/...-border-article-1.1870413

Just watching CNN. They're saying that US military officials believe that the Ukrainian Military Cargo plane that was shot down on Monday was shot down by a missile originating on the Russian side of the border. Suggesting that perhaps poorly trained Russian military mistook this passenger liner for another military transport.
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Jul 17th 2014, 16:04:17

Not serious: I know which airline I'm never ever flying

Slightly more seriouser: This business will get out of control! It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it!

Serious: Isn't 30,000 feet or whatever cruising altitude is higher than the range of 'normal' manpads? If so, that means it wasn't just some lone drunk russian poorly trained conscript, but rather a AA missile battery which probably had more than a few people manning it? This'll get interesting

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Jul 17th 2014, 16:11:26

Not serious: Pooty poot you've got some 'splainin' to do!

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Jul 17th 2014, 16:19:09

Seriouser: Why are any airlines flying over contested/disputed areas where an international conflict is taking place?

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Jul 17th 2014, 16:38:07

Reminds me of when the Russians shot down the "lost" US spy plane during the cold war:P
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Jul 17th 2014, 16:57:26

Originally posted by Trife:
Seriouser: Why are any airlines flying over contested/disputed areas where an international conflict is taking place?



It is an airline route used by many airlines.
Currently they are saying right now it is unconfirmed that the plane was hit by a missile. They are also saying that there was a report of something possibly being wrong on board before losing contact.
I think until anything is confirmed etc....... we have to hold on and wait.
oh and cue the conspiracy theories they are coming........... especially being the second Malay plane to have an incident in less than a year........
We also have no clue who was on that plane nation wise etc....

EDIT: Apparently a lot of major airlines have been avoiding that route as of lately and they are wondering why Maylay airlines did not decide to avoid that route at this time with a war there.

Edited By: galleri on Jul 17th 2014, 17:05:00


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Jul 17th 2014, 17:06:54

Guess Lufthansa was still using it up til now with this tweet:
JUST IN: Lufthansa Airlines rerouting flights around Ukraine in light of Malaysian Airlines incident - @ABCaviation


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Jul 17th 2014, 17:14:06

http://std3.ru/...0da37118c8bf6c86d11e6.png

I can't read russian but people are telling me that the pro-russia militias were boasting on social media about shooting down a plane in that area earlier.

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Prior to the Malaysian Airlines jet's shoot down, pro-Russian separatist leader Igor Strelkov posted on the Russian social networking site, VKontakte, claiming responsibility for shooting down a Ukrainian AN-26 transport plane. However, after news emerged of the downed Malaysian Airlines plane, Strelkov's page appears to have been scrubbed of the post.
Strelkov's page claimed responsibility for taking down a Ukrainian jet and posted and accompanying video that shows smoke rising from what is now believed to be the crash site of the passenger jet. Below is a screengrab of Strelkov's VKonkakte page that includes the post claiming responsibility for the downed transport plane. That post now appears to have been removed.

After reports emerged that a passenger jet had been shot down, Strelkov said that his forces were not responsible and that they lacked the capability to shoot down a plane flying at that altitude. The plane was reportedly flying at an altitude of about 33,000 feet.
Meanwhile, additional images are emerging of the crash site, including the horrifying image below that was carried by Russian television:


Update: 12:45 p.m.
Reports are emerging from eastern Ukraine that Russian forces may have shot down a Malaysia Airlines jet near the Ukrainian-Russian border. Malaysia Airlines has confirmed that they have lost contact with the jet, a Boeing 777 that was travelling from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur with 295 people on board.
According to a report carried by the Interfax news service, citing unnamed sources in the aviation industry, the plane was shot down.

Edited By: iNouda on Jul 17th 2014, 17:29:30
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Jul 17th 2014, 17:16:13

Originally posted by galleri:
Guess Lufthansa was still using it up til now with this tweet:
JUST IN: Lufthansa Airlines rerouting flights around Ukraine in light of Malaysian Airlines incident - @ABCaviation


It's an international flight route. Every single airline in that area was using that route until very recently. Now they're all actively avoiding it ever since that incident. MH17 was just unlucky that some russian dumbasses decided to shoot it down thinking it was a Ukranian military plane again (they shot two of those down earlier). The Ukranians are claiming that the pro-russian militias shot it down with a Buk Missile System.

Here's the area where the other planes are currently flying.

https://twitter.com/...89816774641463298/photo/1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system

A TIME reporter was interviewing a militia leader who claimed that they didn't have the ability to shoot down airplanes that high up. When asked about their Buks, he promptly hung up.

https://twitter.com/...atuses/489817136408178688

Edited By: iNouda on Jul 17th 2014, 17:19:44
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Jul 17th 2014, 17:22:51

Live Updates on the incident from Reddit:

http://www.reddit.com/...rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi

The rebels are cleaning up their social media sites after realizing what kind of deep fluff they're in. This was previously on their twitter page, showing a BUK Missile System.

http://i.imgur.com/mX6bisb.jpg

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Jul 17th 2014, 17:35:06

#mh17 passenger apparently posted to FB: "If it disappears, this is what it looks like" http://huff.to/1jBYRvi


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Jul 17th 2014, 17:43:55

Welcome aboard Malaysian Airlines Flight 1337 bound for Moscow, Russia! Today's possible itenery includes:

1. dying at sea
2. dying in a warzone

Enjoy your flight!

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Jul 17th 2014, 17:47:55

Originally posted by Trife:

Slightly more seriouser: This business will get out of control! It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it!


I love this book / movie! For anyone that doesn't know its the Hunt for Red October.

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Jul 18th 2014, 0:35:21

Just watched the movie for the 10000th time yesterday.
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Jul 18th 2014, 3:48:26

Was watching the US based news channels this morning, they were freaking out like its an act of terror against the USA... I don't think any Americans were on the plane but there were 27 AUSSIE on board!!! Somebody has to pay for this and I'm looking at PUTIN!.

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Jul 18th 2014, 4:04:18

i have been watching the same news stories and never did they say there was an american citizen aboard. they said it wasnt confirmed, and that it was a tragedy and that Obamur had promised all the investigative support the US can. But the crash site is in a war zone, and that presents problems. The flip side to that is a lot of intelligence assets were focused on the area and a picture of what exactly happened from satelite and radar asstes should be easy.
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Jul 18th 2014, 4:41:24

I don't usually but FOXNews was all over the '23' americans feared dead.

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Jul 18th 2014, 5:03:48

my grandma is the only person i know that watches fox news lol. that isnt an exaggeration either.
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Jul 18th 2014, 5:38:24

Originally posted by mrford:
my grandma is the only person i know that watches fox news lol. that isnt an exaggeration either.

This


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Jul 18th 2014, 6:06:45

Originally posted by hawkeyee:
Just watched the movie for the 10000th time yesterday.


Is it just me or does the movie not do the book justice at all?


With regards to the incident, i dont believe in a lot of conspiracy theories. In fact hardly any at all. However the fact this has happened on the same day Israel moved into the Gaza strip and there is hardly any news coverage on this MAJOR issue makes me a little bit paranoid something could be amiss here. (FYI Nostradamus predicted WW3 would start in the middle east and this could easily be a pre-cursor for war.

crazy fluff though ether way
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Jul 18th 2014, 6:15:28

they invade gaza every 8 years or some fluff bro. this time they waited till one of them tard rockets killed a jew, and then sent ground troops in.
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Jul 18th 2014, 6:16:45

my bad, i thought they only ever did airstrikes and fluff. guess i dont pay enough attention lol
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Jul 18th 2014, 8:31:30

a smart human of the 20 century does not take his facts from TV ( be it russian or USA ).
He takes his/her news from some sort of neutral media / internet.

Edited By: Alin on Jul 18th 2014, 8:49:15

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Jul 18th 2014, 9:51:23

Malaysian Deputy Foreign Minister Hamzah Zainuddin said the next day in Malaysia that the foreign ministry would be working closely with the Russian and Ukrainian governments in regards to the incident.

Netherlands Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte stated "I am deeply shocked by the dramatic news regarding the crash of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur over Ukrainian grounds". He further announced that he would interrupt his holiday to coordinate the Dutch response. Dutch government buildings will fly the flag half-mast on 18 July.

Ukraine Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko vowed support for a Dutch probe into the crash, which he called an "act of terrorism". He reportedly offered condolences for the air disaster in a telephone conversation with Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte.

United States American President Barack Obama said, "The U.S. will offer any assistance we can to determine what happened and why. As a country our thoughts and prayers are with all the families of the passengers, wherever they call home." Vice President Joe Biden said the plane appeared to have been deliberately "blown out of the sky", and vowed U.S. assistance for the investigation into the crash.

Australia Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott said that if the incident was proven to be a shoot-down, it would be a crime and the perpetrators would be brought to justice. The Australian Department of Foreign Affairs said the incident was a huge tragedy and that any Australians who were concerned about family members' wellbeing should try to contact them directly. It also said it was awaiting confirmation on the number of Australian passengers on board.

Belgium Belgian Prime Minister Elio Di Rupo said "On behalf of the Belgian government, he expressed his sincere condolences to the families and friends of the many victims of the flight of Malaysia Airlines. His thoughts are paying particular to the five Belgian victims, their families and friends as stood on his statement issued in Friday. He also expressed deep sympathy to the Dutch people and the Dutch authorities. Di Rupo wants "full clarity comes over the exact circumstances of this tragedy and those who are responsible should be quickly identified and brought to justice".

United Kingdom British Prime Minister David Cameron said he was "shocked and saddened by the Malaysian air disaster". The United Kingdom has requested an emergency meeting of the United Nations Security Council.

Canada Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper was "shocked and saddened" to learn about the crash, and said that "Canada stands ready to provide whatever support it can to assist authorities in determining the cause of the crash.

Germany German Chancellor Angela Merkel said in a statement she is "shocked" by the crash and its possible circumstances, and demanded a "swift, independent" inquiry.

Indonesia Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono expressed his deepest condolences to the families of the victims, on behalf of the people and the government. Yudhoyono also stated that the aircraft downing is "a violation against international law and the law of war". He asked that whoever shot down the aircraft be punished unequivocally, and offered to help with the investigation.

New Zealand New Zealand Foreign Affairs Minister Murray McCully said that the event was a "terrible tragedy". He also stated that the New Zealand government's "thoughts are with the families and friends of those involved."

Philippines Philippines Deputy Presidential Spokesperson Abigail Valte said in a statement "Malacañang offer our sincerest condolences to the families of all the victims, recognising full well the enormity of their loss. At this difficult time, we stand with them in solidarity as one people and one country".

Russia Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed his deepest condolences to Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak, the Malaysian people and the relatives of the victims. He said responsibility for the crash rests with "the country in whose airspace the plane was in when it crashed", and that "the disaster wouldn't happen if the military action in south-east of Ukraine was not reenabled".


This is amusing. Every single of them is expressing condolences to the victims and they are "shocked". Politically correct right ? Some of them even tries to exploit the event, politically. Many of them had/have/will have the power to stop/prevent that type of event. But for economical/political/empire/domination reasons they weren't/aren't. I spit on their condolences ... I wish all of those people that are at the main quilt for what`s going on in this world, loose relatives on such an event - i will gladly believe their condolences at that point.

Until that - my condolences for the victims.

Edited By: Alin on Jul 18th 2014, 9:54:15

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Jul 18th 2014, 9:57:20

State Number
Australia 28
Belgium 4
Canada 1
Germany 4
Hong Kong 1
India 1
Indonesia 12
Malaysia 43
Netherlands 173
New Zealand 1
Philippines 3
South Africa 1
United Kingdom 9
Romania 1
Unconfirmed 18
Total 298

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Jul 18th 2014, 10:26:31

Yesterday they said there may have been up to 18 yanks on the plane.
Might be the excuse Obama needed to get involved in something new.

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Jul 18th 2014, 10:26:31

Yesterday they said there may have been up to 18 yanks on the plane.
Might be the excuse Obama needed to get involved in something new.

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Jul 18th 2014, 12:21:38


LOL... media spin... From Alin's post "Unconfirmed 18"... from Media "there may have been up to 18 yanks"...

hahaha...

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Jul 18th 2014, 12:39:00

i quoted wikipedia.

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Jul 18th 2014, 13:08:16

that's your reliable source?

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Jul 18th 2014, 13:30:07

Nothing at all wrong with Wikipedia. Most of the knocks against Wikipedia are based on preconceptions formed many years ago. Wikipedia has come a long way to check sources, ensure accuracy, and warn readers when certain articles or facts are not properly sourced. I encourage my students to use Wikipedia all the time, but I teach them how to use it properly, and how to tell the difference between legitimate, properly cited information, and random crap.
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Jul 18th 2014, 13:49:08

wikipedia is accurate iTarl ... On events like that.

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Jul 18th 2014, 15:22:54

If you pick sites on lesser known towns/people then the accuracy on wiki tends to be diminished. For more popular items and non-controversial scientific and mathematical sites it tends to be more or less correct. I used wiki as a statistics cheat sheet from time to time.
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Jul 18th 2014, 19:43:14



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Jul 18th 2014, 22:33:26



Unlucky. Should have split them up like what major corporations do with their management teams.

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Jul 18th 2014, 22:59:37

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Не верь мне больше.
Прекраснее, чем было,
Уже быть не может.
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Jul 19th 2014, 1:23:55

Do not trust me anymore,
Do not trust me anymore.
More beautiful than it was,
Already can not be.
Do not trust me anymore.
Exposing the envelope
Forgive me for my answer.


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Jul 19th 2014, 11:44:32

I had a friend/co worker on that plane with his gf.....

The fact that Ukrainian separatists have already removed 38 bodies from the scene and are protecting the scene refusing the dutch investigation teams that want to get on site.

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Jul 19th 2014, 12:14:06

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Jul 19th 2014, 13:02:32

I read from Tisya on fb that the captain was her neighbor :(

Edited By: galleri on Jul 19th 2014, 13:30:05


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Jul 19th 2014, 16:34:51

Originally posted by Makinso:
I had a friend/co worker on that plane with his gf.....

The fact that Ukrainian separatists have already removed 38 bodies from the scene and are protecting the scene refusing the dutch investigation teams that want to get on site.


Just when I thought their social media cleansing was quick, they start doing this...

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Jul 19th 2014, 16:42:24

meh, dunno. the flight path that i saw initially showed that they lost contact with the plane when it entered the Ukraine and it got shot down 1/2 way thru the Ukraine. who cares... give the Israelites another week and they'll beat out the Ukrainian's monthly frag count. The Ukrainians just had one decent day and a fat target.
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Jul 20th 2014, 13:57:33

Originally posted by Alin:
a smart human of the 20 century does not take his facts from TV ( be it russian or USA ).
He takes his/her news from some sort of neutral media / internet.


what better place than the internet :P

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Jul 21st 2014, 13:15:26

Originally posted by mrcuban:
I don't usually but FauxNews was all over the '23' americans feared dead.


FTFY.

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Jul 21st 2014, 16:08:30

Originally posted by FailDiegoFail:
Originally posted by Alin:
a smart human of the 20 century does not take his facts from TV ( be it russian or USA ).
He takes his/her news from some sort of neutral media / internet.


what better place than the internet :P


there are no smart humans in the 20th century. just a bunch of trained chimps who borrowed way too much to pay for their education.
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Jul 21st 2014, 18:18:35

:(

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Jul 21st 2014, 21:36:36

http://i.imgur.com/jCVoth1.jpg

A piece of the wreckage showing what appears to be a large hole and additional shrapnel damage.

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Jul 24th 2014, 22:29:45

i had one other thought while i was imaging being the pilot of a shot down airliner... "Oh God. I'm going to hell surrounded by a bunch of screaming idiots"
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