New player here - how does everyone get such a retardedly huge number of Turrets?

Kingme

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Jun 19th 2014, 19:20:28

At this point in the set, it's quite easy to have in excess of 800k turrets.

Why do you think this is not possible?

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Jun 19th 2014, 19:48:17

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Edited By: M59Gar on Jun 23rd 2014, 4:37:08

bstrong86

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Jun 19th 2014, 19:52:21

They start up, get there stratd under way..and buy defense.

720 turn(almost)

Maintaining the proper buildings and tech will help.more then anything in this game.

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Jun 19th 2014, 19:52:47

It's very possible. What's your BPT (buildings per turn) at?

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Jun 19th 2014, 19:53:58

Be sure you're specializing and not playing a rainbow strat. BPT makes a huge difference though.

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bstrong86

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Jun 19th 2014, 19:55:18

Farmers produce food and sell it. While having to buy military and tech

Cashers produce money and have to buy all three

Techers produce tech and sell for food and military

Commies produce military and sell it for food and tech

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Kingme

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Jun 19th 2014, 19:56:40

Well you seem to have a grasp on the different strategies (Cashers, Techers, Farmers)
so i'll assume it's the startup that's giving you trouble.

By this point most countries (that have played all turns thus far) would be at or near their final build per turn. Depending on if they are grabbing or not i'd say that's anywhere from 50 - 70bpt on this server.

By ~2k acres as a Rep Casher i'm usually at my final build per turn of 50. All excess cash is put into business and residential tech which increases your income.

It really would go the same way for Farmer, except with Agri tech.

Your income will increase tremendously from tech early on in the set. Once you have a decent tech base and you're starting to get fat with land you can use all that money to get turrets.

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Jun 19th 2014, 19:58:22

Also, All strats have a percentage of buildiings that are indies for spy production

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Jun 19th 2014, 20:06:00

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Kingme

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Jun 19th 2014, 20:10:07

What strat are you playing?
Look at what bstrong posted:

Originally posted by bstrong86:

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Jun 19th 2014, 20:11:46

There's several ways. You could start with building farms and selling food on PM (private market). <purchases> <sell military>

Or.

You could build IC (Industrial Complexes) set your spy production to 100% <manage> and sell your spies to the PM. Then, stop selling spies after like turn 80. (But be sure to build construction sites along the way). You shouldn't be using <cash> during your first 100 turns. Build CS (construction sites instead!)

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M59Gar

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Jun 19th 2014, 20:12:17

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Kingme

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Jun 19th 2014, 20:14:48

There is always a risk, you need to gauge what is safe. I'll admit it's hard for new players to know this, as I usually go with my "gut feeling".

Look at your NW and your land compared to others to gauge an idea if you are a good target for others to look at.
This early in the set, most Commie Indies are safe from most everyone except for all-jetter countries.

Kingme

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Jun 19th 2014, 20:16:39

The below was posted by h2orich (who has one many times)

50% jets 50% turrets wont make it.

Run 80% jets, 10% turrets and 10% spies from turn 400-600
Run 40% jets, 52% turrets and 8% spies from turn 600-800
Run 20% jets, 75% turrets and 5% spies from turn 800-1200
Run 100% turrets from turn 1200-1400
Run 100% jets from turn 1400-1800

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Jun 19th 2014, 20:17:14

Originally posted by M59Gar:

I guess I am a Commie producing military, but if I sell my military, won't I be attacked by other players? I've noticed though in the News that attacks are strangely rare among the 120 countries currently playing.

It sounds like you're struggling with start.

An example would be like this.

5 IC
4 CS
6 IC
4 CS
7 IC
4 CS
8 IC
4 CS

You shouldn't be selling your military to your private market. Only on the public market. If you sell any portion of your military it would be the spies only. And since you can only place a maximum % on market, you'll be left with some defense. More than likely more than anyone else at your net, since other Gov't have to buy what's on the market.

It's 35% on other servers, I'm not exactly sure of the % on express. I think it's 60%.

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M59Gar

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Jun 19th 2014, 20:19:16

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Edited By: M59Gar on Jun 23rd 2014, 4:36:43

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Jun 19th 2014, 20:31:42

Not always accurate, in terms of low land means high defense; but yes, 'land fat' countries tend to offer more land when you attack them than a smaller acreage country.

Land adds networth, so a country with 1/2 the land with equal net is presumably has a larger military or more tech.

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Jun 19th 2014, 20:37:02

Originally posted by M59Gar:

At the begining of the set very few countries attack until about 6k acres. It is generally more efficient to simply explore rather than buy or make jets and oil.

You should be ok if you stay relative to the size of people around you, and I have found that you are less of a target if you can stay above 30th place.

spchavel

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Jun 19th 2014, 20:42:11

Originally posted by M59Gar:

Cashers, Farmers, Techers... everyone I spy on has minimal offensive presence, but HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF GODDAMN TURRETS. I'm talking 200k, 400k, 800k... in countries that simply can't have produced that number, or support them.

How is this happening? Is this cheating?

BTW you must be looking at the wrong guys. I have only seen a couple guys over 125,000 turrets. You should start looking for targets at the bottom of the score list.

Kingme

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Jun 19th 2014, 20:44:10

Might I suggest you try this formula to find good targets.

NW / Land

The lower the value, the better the chance that they have weak defenses. Of course military makeup per country varies, but this is a good starting point.

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Jun 20th 2014, 3:49:44

I have 3800 acres and O defense, someone please farm me :-)

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Jun 20th 2014, 4:32:12

Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:

I have 3800 acres and O defense, someone please farm me :-)

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3800/250= 15 missiles. :P

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Jun 20th 2014, 5:12:07

Originally posted by Celphi:

Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:

I have 3800 acres and O defense, someone please farm me :-)

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3800/250= 15 missiles. :P

Wait til I stock 360 turns and mass x hehe :P

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Jun 20th 2014, 14:07:33

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Celphi

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Jun 20th 2014, 14:44:03

Join GDI and don't attack other countries more than once. FTW.

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Arkuss

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Jun 20th 2014, 16:03:59

There a boatload of commie indies selling turrets in bulks of 500k or more at a time.

Dear Cashers, Farmers, and Techers

You're Welcome

Sincerely,
Commie Indy

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Jun 20th 2014, 16:09:08

You attacked him 3 times, and he had a lot of turns, so he fought back and killed you.

It seems fair to me... you got him mad. You have to be more careful. If you're going to attack someone more than once, you need to confirm they can't fight back or just cross your fingers.

If you join GDI and always attack everyone only once, then nobody can do special attacks on you and you'll be safe. Even if you are going to be attacking people multiple times, it's still good to join GDI so that random countries can't attack you.

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Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

bstrong86

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Jun 20th 2014, 16:15:04

GDI is win for express

Join it.. only attack people one time...an that cant happen

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Kingme

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Jun 20th 2014, 16:40:04

Originally posted by blid:

It's all been summed up here, if you have any questions on how it all works you can ask. The nice thing about express is it starts up again very quickly. Chalk it up to a learning experience, and move on next set.

Arkuss

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Jun 20th 2014, 16:42:37

Getting killed sucks but if I had to pick a server I'd prefer getting killed in it's Express... The server is only 5 days long so if you get yourself killed you just wait a couple days (i don't think anyone died day 1 or 2?) then you're back in. Try getting killed mid set of Primary or getting killed in Free For All (which btw is anything but a free for all). Very unfortunate.

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Jun 23rd 2014, 6:45:38

yup dont attack goggy too many times cuz he WILL kill u

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Aphrodite

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Jun 27th 2014, 10:56:23

idk where everyone is at this point because i've been taking a vacation from express to take care of FA IA issues on FFA but 1million or more turrets are not very hard to get at all especially if your a communist industrialist. Make sure you don't rainbow strat it which means you build a little bit of everything. (Example: don't build enterprises, residential, military bases, industrial complexes, farms, oil rigs, and construction zones this is a no no and i had to find out the hard way that it screws your set up lol) i hope this helped a bit <3

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Jun 27th 2014, 13:11:40

Just bought 60k warfare tech :D Let the fun begin tomorrow :D

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Jun 27th 2014, 16:43:28

Originally posted by M59Gar:

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Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, slick. The game is not poorly designed, in fact, it has improved greatly over when I first started playing it.

What? You wanted to landgrab somebody but could not because they had spent their resources on acquiring turrets? There have been turret monkeys in the game since I first started playing. The upside to this is that they can't attack you with turrets.

I don't need anger management, people need to stop pissing me off!