We retal 1:1 and only accept 1:1 retals for cross country retals.
We escalate retals on an entire tag basis in a 48 hour window. The first three hits on us by any countries in your tag to any countries in our tag will be retalled 1:1. The fourth, fifth and sixth hits from your tag to our tag will be retalled 2:1 each. The seventh, eighth and ninth hits are retalled 4:1 each. Escalation continues with this pattern of doubling for every three additional hits.
We retal RoRs double normal grabs.
We retal country to country L:L or standard escalation, whichever yields higher results for us. We only accept L:L retals for country to country retals (not factoring in ghost acres).
We use a 48 hour retal window.
If an alliance puts a country of it's own that has hit us within 48 hours into DRs and we have not yet retalled we will take the land from someone else in the alliance.
We will only accept responsibility for detaggers for 48 hours from detagging. We only hold other tags accountable for detaggers for 48 hours from detagging.


Obviously anything signed in a pact supercedes this.

+ I support your retal policy.

to be clear you L;L policy does include ghost acres or doesnt?

as i read it, it does not. we can't really retal for something we never possessed.

As TAN said it does not. If you take 1000 (+500) we will only retal for 1000, not 1500. Likewise if we grab you for 1000 (+500) we will only accept 1000 acres in retals.

ohhh ok. for some reason i read it as, if someone grabs you for 1000 acres not including ghost acres and you retal and only get 800, not including ghost acres (even if you got over 1000 after ghost) youll take another retal.

that sounds like a fair policy

We(the country grabbed) would keep going in that case. The easy way to think of it is if there are no ghost acres. We don't care what you get in ghost acres and we don't care what we get in ghost acres. Those are irrelevant to the determination of L:L.

but you dont count ghost acres recieved in the retal as acres towards the original acres taken? i was under the impression most people did l:l that way. basically if a coutnry is 10K acres before a grab, and is 9K after, if they are at 10K or more after they retal (1 retal) it was considered L;L

I don't know or care what most people do. We are treating ghost acres in either direction as freebies.

simple - and it has points from all sides

a 48 hr window
L:L if the country wants
1:1 to a point
escalation of hits if too many


is there such a thing as "top-feed"
and when is - kill / farm authorized, just so someone can't say i didn't know

No such thing as a topfeed. The definition of a topfeed is irrelevant for L:L retals and if the country itself isn't getting the land back then the returns aren't as important.

Kill/farm is for if things get out of hand for an individual. We have no set definition for that threshold. Five attacks from a country and we'll probably think about killing it. It really depends on the nature of the hits and what we feel the country's intentions were. We don't need legalese authority to kill something if it is giving us grief.

nice and nice

Policy update:

If an alliance puts a country of it's own that has hit us within 48 hours into DRs and we have not yet retalled we will take the land from someone else in the alliance.

i like that idea makes perfect sense :)

This is logical, and I hope you can actualy enforce it! Better get some other small alliances to band with you. Need more numbers!

i take it that was a joke?

Me or Req? I am definitely not joking.

i like all elements of this policy

Nope, no jokes here.

As a heads up Rage is also using this policy currently.

so whos sucking who here? rage or pdm?

or are they just sucking each other?

69 all the way.

whys it always 69? gotta mix it up with a reach around or wheel barrow in there. in fact if you can fit it into your time schedule i recommend a sandy pelican. especially for a first date

its clearly no first date kemo.. god your dumb

TL:DR

So someone was seemingly confused about this.

We retal 1:1 for cross country retals.
We retal L:L for country:country retals.

Also, since people are confused, we accept 1 attack for 1 attack, so if we grab you, you can retal with an equal number of attacks of your choosing... AB, Cruise, CD, whatever as long as the numbers match up.

For L:L retals only land grabs are acceptable as the point is equal land recovery.

Oh yeah, another issue we had

You can declare war on our countries and we can declare on yours and that doesn't mean fluff. Declaring war only hurts the country who did it through increased expenses. It is equivalent to weapons tech that you only buy for a short period of time.

i know this comment shouldnt come from me, but you're really asking for war imo ;)

I do think war might be an inevitable outcome but I am content with these policies. If these policies were peacable to everyone then there would be peace - I would not alter them for the sake of strife. I find people cling to insensible policies solely because they are comfortable with them and can't open their mind to greater possibilities which is where the discord comes into play.

Just my two cents.

you dont have to tell me, we have the most noobie friendly retal policy of the whole server after all...

*declares war on a PDM country*

To be honest, I pretty well like this whole thing except that the country:country L:L thing is obviously going to get massively exploited. When the SS retal returns 95% of the acres and the follow-up PS nets an additional 140% more, I suspect that feelings will be hurt and Jets will take to the skies. Good times.

I love the whole war-dec thing though, I have always thought that making a big deal out of a war dec was retarded. When I was in MKR back in the day, we accepted missile retals from untagged/spamtagged as long as they were within accordance with our escalation rates.

Well that can happen with L:L now. Something we may consider changing for future rounds is making it cut off at 90% land recovered so long as ghost acres recover the remaining 10%.

I can see LaF adopting this policy for just that reason to be honest ;p

It would be fairly easy to do the math and play arund with strat tech and NWConst to make the original retal fall a wee bit short. This would be less likely to be done by a netter running a tight strat, but if I was war-gaining and had some cash, yeah - I'd do it just for fun.

my personal perspective on this would be to simply cut it off at 90%. If it's a 1k acre grab and we get around 900a on our retal, I will personally consider it closed, as its near enough as to be no odds.

I would say it depends on how big that 10% is. :)

Awww you wouldnt? :/

Seems like a tough policy to enforce. Hope your not making the same painful mistake LAF has made.

How does this policy seem difficult to enforce? It is very straight forward and we have lots of jets...

I think Deerhunter was trying to say other alliances might not accept your policy. I could be wrong though.

Ah yes, the reception has not been all honey and roses, but well, jets have double value in that case... and the best part is that PDM does no feel pain. Makes it much easier to roll with the punches.

Just simplify the policy a little... dying because your policy is too complicated for most people is no fun

(ie country:country land:land but not normal land:land, tagwide escalating retals)

Ummmm hell no... We don't give a fluff about dying but we will play the way we want to. I am sorry if our policy is too hard for other people to understand... we don't cater to the masses.

LMFAO- Detmer- I got to respect your attitude. And i wont be trying to make any grabs on you guys next set. I can fully appreciate the way you stick to your guns, albeit tough as they might be.

Thanks DH. Like, we may not be able to enforce our policy to completion - but we'll die trying. If people don't like it they will have to go through us, which is of course at some point inevitable.

DH: what does he have to lose?

It's just a game, and they sure as hell aint netting!