Again, this definition doesn't really distinguish between a small tag/alliance attacking a larger one(where the outcome is all but assured), and a single country doing the same thing.



It's pretty clear that if he hit you, you absolutely can hit him back and kill him. There's nothing stopping you from doing that. What you cannot do, however, is run a joint killrun with other teams. The issue of #64 is not that he helped kill the offending country(despite the fact that his tag mate already took retals, but that's really beside the point), the issue is that it appeared that he did so alongside misfits in a chat. After talking with scode, he assures me that #64 didn't coordinate, and simply joined in when he saw it, and that's fine. Hence, he has not been deleted.




I don't think I ever said he wasn't a suicider. The problem is that people are using this word left and right, and calling for moderators to ban all suiciders, without having a common definition of what exactly a suicider is. If you want us to use our own judgement, that's fine. But as I have seen first hand, you don't want that. You want 100% clear, well-defined rules to cover any and every situation with zero gray-area. That's a pretty tall order....

The new rules that I posted were created after a lot of discussion between the moderators, and after receiving boatloads of feedback from you, the players(and yes, I read more or less every damn thread and talked to several prominent people for hours). We have tried to cover every base we could think of, and I'm sure you all recognize that we can never provide a 100% detailed list of rules for every situation. Even if we could, people wouldn't read them(ie what happened with #9 and #34) as they would be far too long..



Personally, I more or less agree with this definition. But again, what is the difference between 1 country doing that, and 2? If a 2-man team takes on a 5-man team full of experienced warriors, is that really different? Is the difference only the number of countries involved? If 1 country does it, it's suiciding, if multiple countries do it, it's war? Why can't I play a country and try to do as much damage as I can and go out in a blaze of glory? What if I had a bone to pick based on previous sets and tried to do the same, should I then be deleted for it? If I play this way on primary or express, it's fine. But if I do the exact same thing on team server, it's now suiciding.

If you want us to enforce something like this, there has to be some solid definition to start from. Isn't that what you all want?