I've been crunching some numbers - and I could be way off here, that's mostly why I'm posting - and came to the conclusion that before tech and oil prices are considered, any opponent with a 13 troop/acre defense or greater, is not worth attacking. Even with max tech considered, still excluding oil, 34 troops/acre should be enough to deter anyone from attacking with gains in mind.

no tech equation

x=dL*lV*.03/2/1.1/.1/tV

where X yields the minimum defense a country needs before the military costs the attacking country must spend outweighs the land gains they will make from the attack in NW terms
dL is the defending country's total land
lV is a constant (weighted: land value/NW - upkeep*number of maximum turns in Primary Server)
.03 is the 3% land gained from the attack
2 is the amount of turns spent on the attack
1.1 is the amount of attacking power needed in relation to the defending country's defense
.1 is the assumed number of losses to the attacking country
and tV is another constant (weighted: troop value/NW-upkeep*number of maximum turns in Primary Server)
lV/tV ~ 93

x/dL=12.7

Is this right?

13 troops per acre on 20k acres is 260k troops so not that much and on 100k country its 1.3m which is quite much but if other defending military are like 2-2.5m turrets and 125-250k tanks then it is grabbable.

its known truth that there is no high enuf defense that some1 won't grab country. totally different thing is if its smart to grab country which has 3m+ million troops, 20m+ turrets and 1m+ tanks even if said country has no def allies and attacker has off allies with similar army as attacker so attacker gets max ally help.

Except, your equation completely forgot the additional production value for the remainder of the reset after you built up the newly grabbed land. Nor the costs for building said land, buying tech to maintain tech levels, and buying more units to defend your new land.

You are only thinking in terms of NW gain after 2 turns.

I would gladly attack someone with 1000 troops per acre, let alone the 13 you calculated if there are at least 12-15 days left in the reset. That's only a 5-7m jet PS on a 10k acre country. I might lose 900k jets in that attack, but that 800 acres gained will more than outproduce what is lost in the long run.

ermm... Wth is this?

lol

higher math.

a person at 20,000 acres and 260k troops = not worth attacking? I would PS you 5 times everyday.



I would PS you 5 times everyday too.

Right. What about 1.02M Troops for that same 20k? (34 troops/acre*1.5PS defense)

depends other defense and if similar targets (~same land but bit lower nw) with lesser defense are around. most would grab that 1.02m troops country unless it has 1.5m tanks or 10m jets too.

humicroav, I would grab a 20k country even if it had 10m troops (which is equivalent to 5m turrets). 1.02m troops is NOTHING. A top player at this point would easily have 12m jets and 12m turrets on 40k land.

If you only had 1.02m troops, it just means I can PS you 5x.

I think the real reason why you wouldn't attack a 13troop/acre country is that he's so deep in DR you won't get any good grabs in.

10 ss attacks = ~200 land = ~200 more farms/indies/labs/100ents and resis = increased production/income

which you probably will get in ghost acres from 1 ps from another country?

and then i would need to spend more resources (jets) into attack since that other target would have better defense and would be capable to retal.

tanks even if said country has no def allies and attacker has off allies with similar army as attacker so attacker gets max ally help.

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