I'm telling you Sov, that will learn ya! The only reason LaF offered us a pact is because it was the end of the set when ppl start stocking and they were done using us. Three LG's on one of our guys who was for sure to get a top ten spot, yeah you better believe were pissed, he was most likely going to get #1 spot, LaF ruined that, and now we ruined alot of there top spots. An eye for an eye.

Hey tellarion, we've had good relations this set maybe you and your friends should set this discussion out?

I don't think I'm saying anything that would ruin relationships here :/

Lol stop being brats and threatening Tella.

I'm not going to get into the details of this one except to say that unless the pact specifically has a clause saying that no attacks are to be exchanged between Alliances then no matter how many landgrabs are made then there is no basis to break a UNAP.

LAF's actions do not constitute a breaking of a UNAP unless they refuse or fail to pay reps as per the pact.

I see no justification for Neofed to break a UNAP based on present evidence provided. I believe this is the first time since LAF got gangbanged after the Hanlong affair that I have seen a UNAP broken in this game without the activation (to some degree or other) of a clause written into the pact.

Pacts in this game are a point of honor between Alliances and they need to be adhered to per the terms that are signed. It is like signing a contract IRL. No matter what the principle is or the perceived reasoning, it is unacceptable for a UNAP to be broken unless it is done so within the terms of the pact.

regardless of that Sov, its the HFA, they know the intentions of the pact, and to triple tap goes against the intentions of the pact, therefor breaking the pact, trying to defend that is insulting.

I disagree. The intention of the pact is in the terms of the pact. If it is not in the terms, then there is no reason to break it.

In Earth2025 the original NAPs were being broken at will by Alliances. By 2002 NAPs were basically superseded by "UNAPs" as the main pact of choice between amicable Alliances, with a key component differing from a NAP - The word "Unbreakable". There is a reason why it was called Unbreakable, because they were not meant to be broken. Unless specific terms of the pact are violated and not adhered to then there is absolutely no justification whatsoever for breaking the pact.

If it is to be that "the spirit" or "the intention" of the pact are the determining factors of whether a pact should be broken then UNAPs are therefore useless and basically any Alliance would break them at will because that reasoning can be used so broadly that it is easily exploitable by anyone.

For example - I could break a UNAP with Omega because they looked at me in an unfriendly manner which was against the "intentions" of the pact which was that we are to be friends.

If it is not in the terms then there is no basis for breaking it. Any breaking of a pact is really inexcusable.

Whilst Neofed might have genuine disagreements with LAF, they are bound by the unwritten code under which Alliances operate which are that pact terms are to be followed and pacts are not to be broken.

Harsh feelings have nothing to do with it. You can have all the harsh feelings you want Syko. Unless specific terms of the pact are violated and not adhered to then there is absolutely no justification whatsoever for breaking the pact.

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Sov is partially right, perhaps it was an over reaction. But Sov has no idea what went on in the early weeks of the set where there was NO PACT and LaF was looking to use Neo as farm land.

But lets be real here, LaF refuses to pay reps then what? They all jump out of range and destock before anything can be done about it then what? Neo FSes LaF at half there size, I don't think its an over reaction at all. As I said before LaFs actions speak loud and clear over the last year. DK hit RD when they were pacted and no one came to help them and no one fluffed either. LaF abandoned Sof and Rival by pacting MD just to keep themselves. Rumor was some LaFers where ready to war but the majority of fluffy bunny netters weren't.

I feel bad for the good players in LaF who didn't deserve their sets wrecked, and you can all defend your leadership and condem Neo but like the little brother who breaks his older brothers nose after being bullied this is the same thing.

Once again, bringing Deathknights into this conversation. We have 0 to do with this mess, stop dragging our name through this fluff. This situation is between neo/laf. Keep it that!

Also, no one fluffed because we had outs in our unap. Just to set the record straight for ya!

Time Frame, NeoFed's FS happened about 3 Hours after the Triple Tap, in an incident like this, that allegedly involved an FR, shouldn't the discussion be between both Alliance's Leader?

Was there discussion within that 3 hour time frame??

We don't know. It really doesn't matter who did what, when, or why. Both sides agreed to a uNAP. One member decided to violate the terms with a triple tap, the other alliance decided to break the pact and FS.

More pointless reasons have been used to go to war, but let's face it, those 3 hits would not have been enough reasons 99% of the time since Tag was introduced into the game.

Immediately after 335 started his suicide I told candy to talk to neo frs to end the nonsense.

There were no rep negotiations. Immediately after 335 started his suicide I told candy to talk to neo frs to end the nonsense. Neo frs ignored him and deliberately stated they wanted war

What's really stupid is that I would have agreed to pay reps. Perhaps not as much as neo would demand but we would have restored his country at the least (and perhaps more just to spite candy's stupidity). Considering laf has about 6 billion projected total networth it's not hard to assume we can pay.


Neo wants to break a unap without discussing anything and drag a war that's their call. All I'm really getting from this is that neo have unstable and irrational leaders.

Hey DFA, another sighting! come join us next set, all ex CIA are welcome.

Hey DFA, another sighting! come join us next set, all ex CIA are welcome.

There were no rep negotiations. Immediately after 335 started his suicide I told candy to talk to neo frs to end the nonsense. Neo frs ignored him and deliberately stated they wanted war

What's really stupid is that I would have agreed to pay reps. Perhaps not as much as neo would demand but we would have restored his country at the least (and perhaps more just to spite candy's stupidity). Considering laf has about 6 billion projected total networth it's not hard to assume we can pay.


Neo wants to break a unap without discussing anything and drag a war that's their call. All I'm really getting from this is that neo have unstable and irrational leaders.

Damn, this is brutal. I was looking forward to seeing where everyone's countries would end up. =(

Harsh feelings have nothing to do with it. You can have all the harsh feelings you want Syko. Unless specific terms of the pact are violated and not adhered to then there is absolutely no justification whatsoever for breaking the pact.

There were no rep negotiations. Immediately after 335 started his suicide I told candy to talk to neo frs to end the nonsense. Neo frs ignored him and deliberately stated they wanted war

What's really stupid is that I would have agreed to pay reps. Perhaps not as much as neo would demand but we would have restored his country at the least (and perhaps more just to spite candy's stupidity). Considering laf has about 6 billion projected total networth it's not hard to assume we can pay.


Neo wants to break a unap without discussing anything and drag a war that's their call. All I'm really getting from this is that neo have unstable and irrational leaders.

hah I was on pace for half a billion more than you Cable! ;)

...and this is the reason why you'll see more suiciders coming for LAF.

...and this is the reason why you'll see more suiciders coming for LAF.

There were no rep negotiations. Immediately after 335 started his suicide I told candy to talk to neo frs to end the nonsense. Neo frs ignored him and deliberately stated they wanted war