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Pang:
I don't know wtf you're talking about re: "majority of americans". You're just pulling words out of your ass. The polling states that a MAJORITY of Americans WANT Oabamacare to go into effect as an incremental step toward a better healthcare system. A MAJORITY of Americans feel that this government shutdown isn't what they want. A MAJORITY of Americans feel that this is on the Republicans and not Obama or the Democrats. This was the polling as recently as last night when I watched both Canadian and American news on the topic.
So, to summarize:
a) Republicans lost the last election, which they claimed was a referendum on Obama and Obamacare. They lost seats in both chambers of congress and were trounced nationally by Obama. As John McCain said "there are consequences to losing elections" so you'd think it's time to stop being obstructionist.
b) The supreme court affirmed the law as constitutional, meaning that by not funding it, Republicans aren't as fond of following the constitution as they claim to be.
c) Republicans are basically becoming anarchist because of a small wing of their party, and the party seems fine with that.
d) Only one party holds the country hostage when it doesn't get it's way, and that party is the Republicans.
Anyway, thanks for making our crappy Canadian government look like a bunch of all-stars...
What polls show Americans favor ACA?
a) Yes Democrats won the election, does this mean the Republicans lay down and let them do what they want?
b) The supreme court upheld 1 part of the law, by technicality. Oddly, the 1 part of the law that they affirmed was the 1 part of the law that the administration had to flat out lie and deceive the American people about, to garner even a little support from across the aisle, still today he calls it a fine because he knows how unpopular it is to call it a tax. (which they hinged on to get it through the courts)
c) You give the tea party much more credit than they deserve as a congressional voting caucus, They were elected to do precisely what they are doing by their constituents and no, it isn't not anarchy. Furthermore, the Tea Party currently doesn't have the votes in either chamber to make a difference on any voting outcome. To put the blame on them is a cop out for not having enough support within the party outside of them or an unwillingness to work across the aisle. They are simply there to change the conversation, and as much as folks despise them, they have been VERY effective in changing the conversation.
d) The country is not being held hostage, the central government is. Far from the same thing. Additionally, this is not the end of the world and in fact this is how the government is designed to work. When the folks in Washington get too partisan, and too gridlocked, it is designed to stop in its tracks until negotiations happen.
September 30 to October 11, 1976 (10 days)
September 30 to October 13, 1977 (12 days)
October 31 to November 9, 1977 (8 days)
November 30 to December 9, 1977 (8 days)
September 30 to October 18, 1978 (18 days
September 30 to October 12, 1979 (11 days)
November 20 to November 23, 1981 (2 days)
September 30 to October 2, 1982 (1 day)
December 17 to December 21, 1982 (3 days)
November 10 to November 14, 1983 (3 days)
September 30 to October 3, 1984 (2 days)
October 3 to October 5, 1984 (1 day)
October 16 to October 18, 1986 (1 day)
December 18 to December 20, 1987 (1 day)
October 5 to October 9, 1990 (3 days)
November 13 to November 19, 1995 (5 days)
December 5, 1995 to January 6, 1996 (21 days)
This has happened before, and it will happen again.
The government was designed specifically to hold each other in check and this is what is happening. The central government was never intended to have such a vast expansion that it would be devastating. Local and State governments will operate as is and we WILL survive this and contrary to what they have been saying for months leading up to this; the government shutdown, as well a refusal to raise the debt limit will NOT cause us to default. That is pure fear mongering and a complete lie. The funds are there to pay debts, if our debts are not paid it is because the White House chose to not appropriate them properly. Similar to his handling of the sequester.