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May 17th 2013, 0:25:02

wasn't really looking forward to this set.
and got double tapped by a nub with 0 tanks.


so :
2013-05-17 00:22:53 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 49B
2013-05-17 00:22:52 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 51B
2013-05-17 00:22:52 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 53B
2013-05-17 00:22:51 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 57B
2013-05-17 00:22:50 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 60B
2013-05-17 00:22:49 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 63B
2013-05-17 00:22:42 NM rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 563A
2013-05-17 00:22:38 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 72B
2013-05-17 00:22:33 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 75B
2013-05-17 00:22:32 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 79B
2013-05-17 00:22:32 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 83B
2013-05-17 00:22:32 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 87B
2013-05-17 00:22:31 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 92B
2013-05-17 00:22:31 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 97B
2013-05-17 00:22:31 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 101B
2013-05-17 00:22:30 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 107B
2013-05-17 00:22:30 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 112B
2013-05-17 00:22:30 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 118B
2013-05-17 00:22:29 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 123B
2013-05-17 00:22:29 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 130B
2013-05-17 00:22:29 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 136B
2013-05-17 00:22:29 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 142B
2013-05-17 00:22:29 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 150B
2013-05-17 00:22:29 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 157B
2013-05-17 00:22:28 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 165B
2013-05-17 00:22:28 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 172B
2013-05-17 00:22:28 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 180B
2013-05-17 00:22:27 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 187B
2013-05-17 00:22:27 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 195B
2013-05-17 00:22:27 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 202B
2013-05-17 00:22:27 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 211B
2013-05-17 00:22:26 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 218B
2013-05-17 00:22:26 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 225B
2013-05-17 00:22:26 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 233B
2013-05-17 00:22:26 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 240B
2013-05-17 00:22:26 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 246B
2013-05-17 00:22:26 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 252B
2013-05-17 00:22:25 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 257B
2013-05-17 00:22:25 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 261B
2013-05-17 00:22:24 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 264B
2013-05-17 00:22:24 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 267B
2013-05-17 00:22:23 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 268B
2013-05-17 00:22:23 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 269B
2013-05-17 00:22:23 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 267B
2013-05-17 00:22:22 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 263B
2013-05-17 00:22:10 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 258B
2013-05-17 00:22:09 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 251B
2013-05-17 00:22:08 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 243B
2013-05-17 00:22:08 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 232B
2013-05-17 00:22:06 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 221B
2013-05-17 00:22:06 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 205B
2013-05-17 00:22:05 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 189B
2013-05-17 00:22:04 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 171B
2013-05-17 00:22:04 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 149B
2013-05-17 00:22:03 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 129B
2013-05-17 00:22:03 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 107B
2013-05-17 00:22:02 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 82B
2013-05-17 00:22:02 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 56B
2013-05-17 00:22:01 AB rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) 37B
2013-05-17 00:19:41 PS LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) 208A (431A)
2013-05-17 00:19:37 PS LeafsBlewThereLoad (#82) rep casher like oldman in 99 (#12) 216A (444A)


lmfao look at those 200B + ab's.
what a sucker!

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May 17th 2013, 0:27:17

lmao the nub just bought some tanks.
but judging from the below, a little late:


Enterprise Zones 12
Residences 12
Industrial Complexes 1138
Military Bases 0
Research Labs 0
Farms 21
Oil Rigs 10
Construction Sites 24
Unused Lands 9485

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May 17th 2013, 0:30:01

ah damn the guy turned out to be a class act and pretty darn funny through in game messages.

always takes the fun out of it when it's a nice guy :p
lost interest in this now

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May 17th 2013, 1:02:38

Their
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

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May 17th 2013, 2:59:46

lol blid my first msg to him was precisely that :p

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May 17th 2013, 12:07:10

http://www.eestats.com/express/country/113


Enjoy your pancake, douchebag.
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May 17th 2013, 14:14:15

People aren't douchebags for double tapping. #53 looks like a much bigger douchebag
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

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May 17th 2013, 15:55:52

People are douchebags for doubletapping, especially if they SS you first, then follow it up with a PS for maximum pain. They're thinking "hmm, I'd better not farm him because he'll come back later in the set and rape me, but I think I can take enough of an advantage of him to get more land than I really should out of him and get away with it." People like that deserve to wake up to all the pancakes.

And yes, I sent a few ABs in the general direction of #53 and barely scratched him, after he was able to do anywhere from 2 times to 5 times the damage to my country as I was able to do to his country per attack.
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May 17th 2013, 15:59:06

Originally posted by NukEvil:
People are douchebags for doubletapping, especially if they SS you first, then follow it up with a PS for maximum pain. They're thinking "hmm, I'd better not farm him because he'll come back later in the set and rape me, but I think I can take enough of an advantage of him to get more land than I really should out of him and get away with it." People like that deserve to wake up to all the pancakes.
That's not being a douchebag, that's just rational self-serving behavior within the game. I'm not saying it's wrong to AB the guy, that's the danger he was courting when he did it, just saying - he's not a douchebag. You make it sound like he's an asshole or a bad guy or something for attacking the same country more than once.
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

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May 17th 2013, 16:06:58

That's because he is.


1) He's not farming me, so he's not even giving me the benefit of DR, which is a far better deterrent than turrets.

2) He's taking advantage of someone else's weakness, and, despite KNOWING the danger of doing so, decides to take a bit more land because he thought he could get away with it. Hell, he had to have noticed my country name at some time in the process.

3) He did an SS, and then followed it up with a PS, knowing that DR wouldn't have kicked in by then. He knew exactly what he was doing when he did that. That's not just going "oh, I'll take some more land because he's weak", that's saying "You can't touch me and to prove it, I'll take all the land I can take and leave you at the bottom of the scores list because someone else will come along and take even MORE land off you", which totally happened.


If that doesn't make him a bad guy, I don't know what does.
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May 17th 2013, 16:10:59

Maybe single tapping is for douchebags, because they know DR won't kick in and because they know exactly what they're doing: they know they're immune from retaliatory special attacks. Maybe everyone who plays this game is a douchebag for trying to play the game. Hell, is there even a "maybe" about it?
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

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May 17th 2013, 16:11:56

Maybe you should stop acting stupid.
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May 17th 2013, 16:35:40

Heh, I can never tell how serious you're being. Is it for real or a troll, are you actually mad at me or not? I don't think I'm acting stupid, though.

Originally posted by NukEvil:
1) He's not farming me, so he's not even giving me the benefit of DR, which is a far better deterrent than turrets.
Single tapping doesn't give you the benefit of DR either.

Originally posted by NukEvil:
2) He's taking advantage of someone else's weakness, and, despite KNOWING the danger of doing so, decides to take a bit more land because he thought he could get away with it. Hell, he had to have noticed my country name at some time in the process.

Yes, he's knowingly taking a risk but thinks he can get away with it. I don't understand why that makes him a douchebag. What about the people that single tap and hide behind GDI? Aren't those the people that really think they can get away with it, since avenues like ABs or missiles are closed to you that way?

Originally posted by NukEvil:

3) He did an SS, and then followed it up with a PS, knowing that DR wouldn't have kicked in by then. He knew exactly what he was doing when he did that. That's not just going "oh, I'll take some more land because he's weak", that's saying "You can't touch me and to prove it, I'll take all the land I can take and leave you at the bottom of the scores list because someone else will come along and take even MORE land off you", which totally happened.
I always make sure DR hasn't kicked in when I make any grab. I don't understand how you get this very negative interpretation of what he is thinking from that fact.

Originally posted by NukEvil:

If that doesn't make him a bad guy, I don't know what does.
Really, you don't know what could be worse? How about the first guy to attack you, #53, a player going around country to country dropping ABs on random players? Or #134? How about people in alliance or tourney game A that attack weak players 20 times? How about people who cheat? That stuff is far more "bad" than taking an extra 290 land from you with a SS before the regular PS.

Edited By: blid on May 17th 2013, 16:38:24
See Original Post
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

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May 17th 2013, 16:56:15

And yet, none of those things you keep "what-if-ing" about happened here. He didn't single-tap, he didn't hide behind GDI, he isn't #53 afaik, this isn't Tourney or Alliance, and I'm pretty sure the guy didn't cheat.


You're in serious danger of not only acting stupid, but also being stupid. And no, I'm not mad at you--I'm just concerned about your mental capacity throwing out logical fallacy after logical fallacy.

I'm starting to think that you may have had some stake in what happened to #113.
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May 17th 2013, 17:05:50

The so-called what-ifs are a reply to your statement, "If that doesn't make him a bad guy, I don't know what does." Those things might.

Look, a player that double taps is taking a calculated risk. They need to be prepared to be retaled back multiple times or even pancaked like we see here. But your reasoning behind why taking a calculated risk makes one a "douchebag" and a "bad guy" is severely wanting. You proposed two internal monologues for this person:

That's not just going "oh, I'll take some more land because he's weak", that's saying "You can't touch me and to prove it, I'll take all the land I can take and leave you at the bottom of the scores list because someone else will come along and take even MORE land off you", which totally happened.


I think the first version is far more likely.
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

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May 17th 2013, 17:10:17

I disagree.
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May 17th 2013, 17:11:53

Originally posted by NukEvil:

You're in serious danger of not only acting stupid, but also being stupid.
This is a nice little quip, so props for that heh, but the rest of what you're saying just doesn't track for me.
Originally posted by NukEvil:
I'm starting to think that you may have had some stake in what happened to #113.
No, I don't have a stake in what happened to #113, but I double tap weak countries from time to time. I hit twice because I don't want to farm them, but I'm willing to risk going back for more. The reasoning is usually that they're poorly defended and an easy source of land.
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

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May 17th 2013, 17:15:51

And when you log in the next time and see a nice, flat pancake where a country used to be, don't get mad because someone else doesn't interpret your doubletaps the same way you do.
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May 17th 2013, 17:16:15

I didn't say there's a problem with the pancaking, I just said I'm not a douchebag!
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

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May 17th 2013, 17:19:52

Again, I disagree.
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May 17th 2013, 17:24:41

"=[
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

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May 17th 2013, 19:05:47

Doubletaps don't automatically make you a douchebag. To say so is completely uninformed and ignorant.

1. They could be unaware of how this server and GDI rules are applied (makes them uninformed, but not a douchebag)
May I point out that double taps in other solo servers was the normal etiquette for years.

2. Maybe they are just a complete n00b (doens't make them a douchebag)

3. They could be aware of how this server and GDI rules are applied (this *could* make them a douchebag)
They either assumed they could get away with it, or just don't care and just saw the land and wanted it.

The last parts *could* make them a douchebag, but to make a blanket statement that says doubletaps = douchebag is wrong.

The end.



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May 17th 2013, 19:13:17

The fact you posted that without even doing a search for that country name in previous resets shows everyone just how "uninformed and ignorant" you are. The fact that you posted that without properly reading my posts on this matter shows everyone that you don't really care about this matter, or that you have poor reading comprehension. The fact that you also posted "The end" shows everyone that you honestly still think your post matters. Which it doesn't, but props to you anyways.
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May 17th 2013, 19:19:45

Douchebag may refer to:
A device used to administer a
douche
A pejorative term for an arrogant person
(Wikipedia)


So by that definition they aren't douchebags
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May 17th 2013, 19:32:37

Why do I need to do a search on the countryname? That has absolutely nothing to do with my final conclusion.

Perhaps it is you that needs to learn how to read? I was arguing for my point that double taps does not automatically equal douchebag.

Perhaps in this particular case he happened to double tap, and IS a douchebag. Read my statements again... I did say this was possible.

However, at no point did I mention that particular matter involving you. Since you apparently haven't noticed, this server doesn't revolve around just you.

Maybe... just maybe, you shouldn't get so butthurt about every single time one person "wrongs" your country. I know lately you seem to get an e-penis for AB's and Missile throwing. I would like to mention you could finish better than 20th or 30th or whatever insignificant place you ALWAYS place if you just learn to let it go.

PS.
The End. (Just to show that I think my post matters)

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May 17th 2013, 21:38:52

Refuses to end it
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May 18th 2013, 0:48:44

Originally posted by Kingme:
Why do I need to do a search on the countryname? That has absolutely nothing to do with my final conclusion.


It would have saved you the embarrassment of speaking without knowledge.


Originally posted by Kingme:
Perhaps it is you that needs to learn how to read? I was arguing for my point that double taps does not automatically equal douchebag.


I disagree with the first sentence; however, I do agree with the second sentence.


Originally posted by Kingme:
Perhaps in this particular case he happened to double tap, and IS a douchebag. Read my statements again... I did say this was possible.

However, at no point did I mention that particular matter involving you. Since you apparently haven't noticed, this server doesn't revolve around just you.


Then why did you post at all? All you did was rehash the same argument that blid did. That's two people whose minds are simply too primitive to understand my point.


Originally posted by Kingme:
Maybe... just maybe, you shouldn't get so butthurt about every single time one person "wrongs" your country. I know lately you seem to get an e-penis for AB's and Missile throwing. I would like to mention you could finish better than 20th or 30th or whatever insignificant place you ALWAYS place if you just learn to let it go.

PS.
The End. (Just to show that I think my post matters)


Again, you are just speaking without knowledge. I am more than capable of ending over rank 20. You can check my profile anytime you wish. It's just that last reset, I saw some things happen that I didn't like. So, I created a country this set specifically to help right the wrongs that were perpetrated on others, by others, if possible. It doesn't look like that will be happening, but at least I can enjoy retaliating against countries whose owners don't know the value of fair play.

I am not quite sure why your attitude towards me has either changed or just manifested itself publicly lately. I can speculate that it may have something to do with what I did to Edge's country in Alliance after he farmed me. That is not important. What is important is that you can either tell me why you seem to be angry at me lately, or you can stop trying to belittle me for what you perceive as "wrong". Then, maybe we both can work through whatever has gone wrong and perhaps learn to tolerate each other's existence.
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May 18th 2013, 2:02:34

I'm not going to quote your last post.

I don't have any issue with you, I just hate things that I perceive as whining. I'll be honest, i've been getting that vibe from you quite a bit lately. It started toward the end of your stay in EVO, and has just seemed to manifest itself further in express. Maybe i'm just not getting it... I just would think someone who has played so long would be able to move past this crap in express. Perhaps you're just screwing around?

I will say that if you average your finishes in express you'll see my portrayal would be accurate. I do see you've finished 14th, but there isn't any consistency. To me that shows you either don't have time to finish (which I have seen you post that before) or you're getting yourself into wars. (which is what it sort of looks like)

I always respected you in EVO, and I know you did a lot of work behind the scenes. I just hate trolling, and I hate people who whine.

BTW, I don't even play in EVO right now. I don't really agree with what you did with EDge but I see your side of it. I used the same data from you profile to make my statement in that thread on the site. I saw you responded and didn't like my post, but you were gone before I could explain.

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May 18th 2013, 2:21:59

well, what I get out of this whole saga is that you shouldn't use my name in your country name haha because you obviously didn't get any additional protection i.e. still got double tapped.

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May 18th 2013, 2:25:08

lol :p

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May 18th 2013, 2:27:19

last time i paid homage to you in my country name, i think i finished 4th.
the aptly named
'hao2 is the best player ever'

so i better outperform this time or you owe me a lesson

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May 18th 2013, 8:31:23

DTWOT is what he did, he deserved every hit.
I don't need anger management, people need to stop pissing me off!

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May 18th 2013, 14:02:24

Originally posted by NukEvil:
http://www.eestats.com/express/country/113


Enjoy your pancake, douchebag.


Looks kind of dead to me ;)

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May 18th 2013, 15:37:50

Nice. :)
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May 20th 2013, 9:49:18

Awesome 700 war hits 70 missles. 2 kills.