Whilst, I agree LCN is an independent alliance and make their own decisions i.e. they are nobody's lapdog. I am unsure how somebody who has been back playing earth for all of 1 and a half resets can make such an assertion?

did MD ask to surrender and LaF refused so they could continue their farming?

no? then why would LaF not do it.

its funny you cry about people getting farmed, yet before you came back when MD/LaF/LCN gangbanged RD and SOL together, after we were swifty tag killed they continued to farm us until the end of the set. why the fluff would you have sympathy for an alliance being farmed when they did the same fluff to YOUR own alliance.

please stop posting Alin, for the sake of everyone.

Pain go fluff a sheep or something.

IF you are stupid enough not to understand what i peacefully explain - stay away and mind your own business.

fluffing trolls!

http://forums.earthempires.com/...;z=dear-universal-mom-dad

Freaking same idiot ...

*glances at AT*

*ponders if those idiots know that they're swimming around in a bunch of sewage*

meh, they're probably used to the smell by now...

*wanders off*

Is that what Laf did to SoL a couple sets ago? Or did LaF ceasefire pretty soon after the FS?

It happened a bit too recently for you to try to rewrite history. At least give it a year before you completely revise history to suit your bullfluff.

So you won't tell me what levels of cheating by alliance heads merit what response. Just that you know that this response is appropriate for this situation. Sort of like the Supreme Court know it when you see it standard? Ahh, how delightful.

Now, what happens if we find out an Evo player unwittingly benefited from the same situation. Does this person now suffer the same fate vis-a-vis the guilt by association standard?

Right, there is no standard except for that created by the administrators of the game. The rest is politics. You may not want to admit it, but it's the sad truth.

mdemon; Look at all the replies in your thread. I bet you never knew you were so popular!

4e4a495144bcfacdf8a1f56d7bb40fbc1 (#1166)

RIP MischiefDemon.

Maybe now you can quit, or are you restarting again? =)

This thread can be chalked up to a very simple fact. EE is a game. When a game is no longer fun, you leave the game.

I can't believe how many of you are freaking about this entire situation. I guarentee that LafGate will literally be responsible for the death of AT LEAST 3 earthers due to stroke or cardiac failure in the future.

Some of you need to need to take a deep breathe and maybe even a few nights off from AT / EE.

I think many of you forget that there is life outside of EE.

Try it guys, I promise the fresh air will do you good.

You're sort of right Rockman. But not really.

LaF started the most gutless war of all time in the reset you speak of, no rhyme or reason apart from destroying SOL's membership base and using the farmland. They refused a ceasefire, unless SOL changed it's retal policy. LaF would only ceasefire with SOL (an alliance who had been gangbanged and targeted for several resets) if they changed their land:land policy to one that suited LaF. Under tremendous pressure to give SOL membership a breather, Makinso agreed to change the policy.

There was no good guy act from LaF here. This was hanlong at his most manipulative, disgusting best. There are some things LaF leadership can't keep passing off as the work of hanlong - and these sort of acts are some of them.

calling me stupid yet youre the one who makes retarded incoherent posts, about a history you werent even around to witness and clearly have no knowledge of. YOU can go fluff yourself, retard.

i dont understand why SOL allows you to even post. they already have a mouthpiece on AT (dagga) but at least he knows what hes talking about most of the time.

fluff off. You are a lammer!

any laffer that quits because of 1 set of self inflicted death, is a fluffing pathetic human being.

Laf tacetly supported the large scale multi operations run against multiple alliances in 2025, that involved years of reset after reset death for various people. I know people that died 14 times in 1 set fighting bots run by people that were associated with, and at times played in Laf.

truly sad.

however if you are quitting because you find the game boring, or have trouble finding time/interest in playing, then that is ok:p

+1

And the sad part of the sad truth is that, during most of E:2025, the administrator(s) of the game were NOWHERE TO BE FOUND whenever most of the cheating was going on in the game. If Mehul or Blake (or whatever the other dude's name is) would have cared enough to delete the thousands of multis/bots run by RD and others plaguing the 1a server, there would have been no need for a UM/Council server. There would have been no need for the dozen or so alliances that actually stood up to the bots and multis to be crushed out of existence.

So, really, what kind of response is expected and what kind of response is required hold NO water when it comes to E:2025. Especially since ALL of the cheating that went on back then was actually confined inside the game itself. So stop trying to argue about something you obviously are ignorant about.

Most gutless war of all time? You must not know anything about SoL's history...

"Actually stood up to the bots and multies." I had my country killed and suicided on for reporting those very multies and bots on the moderator forums because some people had even cheated far enough to see the mod forums. Cheating was relegated to ingame and if you think that then you're woefully naive.

But none of that detracts from my overarching point that we're drawing cheating lines in the sand for political reasons. I don't care how much you hate Laf. Some of them cheated and should be punished, but by not all of them. When we have a game that can't come within 1/20th of the size it was before is when shouldn't be chaseing away a couple dozen players. It's the mentality that you got an infection in the toe so chop off the entire leg, it's ridiculous and blatantly politicla.

You don't have to acknowledge the political aspect of it. I get that you want to be seen holding some fictional moral highground. That's fine. Maintain the bravado publicly, but in private work for a real solution that doesn't chase away a large number of clean players. Do what's right behind the scenes.

+1 anoniem

Except for the PS part as i dont know who those individuals are :P

Ok. I'll acknowledge the fact that someone had unauthorized access to the mod forums. I'll also acknowledge that servers outside the game had been hacked as well (Gamerstown, MacDamon's cheat detection service, EarthStats (sort of) etc). I had forgotten about those.

Still, what makes the current gangbang against LaF so different from, say, the Big6 against Elitez or Coalition X vs RD? Other than the fact that there were several thousand more countries playing back then. Is it the fact that in this case, only 2 people were involved? Back then, it only took ONE person to run a hundred bots. What about SOL's FS on NA when its leader was marginally involved in the LaE cheating scandal on FFA a couple years ago?

BTW, IIRC, I've never denied the political aspect of it. I have no moral high ground to stand on, being I'm not participating in this fight. I'm just saying, political or not, some of the community has decided to hit the reset button on LaF's recent accomplishments. And, looking at Big6, SOL vs. NA, and other events in history, this has happened before, and will happen again.

You answered your own quesiton about what makes it different. Cheaters are caught and dealt with by EE's game admins. It's a big difference. Ergo any decision afterward is purely political, which, yes, to your credit you did not disagree with.

Back then none us wanted to fight cheaters and did so as a last resort because the game administration wasn't fixing the problems. It's different now. So when folks gang up on them under the pretense of cheating, it's hard not to call them out on it. If they want to war them because they don't like them then by all means do so and say so.

Just take your bat and ball and go home...We don't need to know your pathetic reasons.

Elitez and RD were on a much bigger scale than Laf is dude, considering that every player in RD was a cheater. Oh and lots of people did not support Sol killing NA. I didn't. Look what it did to them. They were huge and then went down to almost non-existent.

RD has never cheated. stop spreading lies locket.

Apologies!

bye

Love you Thomas!