[Sug] fix DRs so GS/BR/AB dont affect retals

pele

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Dec 18th 2011, 12:34:42

hi
I think the way how DR´s works should be looked over

So often one see netters gets gs:ed into DR so that retals wont give anything (this happens in al servers)

DR should be changed so that GS/BR/AB dosent put a country in SS/PS DR

Edited By: General Earl on Dec 30th 2011, 5:43:12
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Pain

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Dec 18th 2011, 13:48:58

agree 100%

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Dec 21st 2011, 9:21:57

plus dr should be soft and reduced for retals

crest23

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Dec 21st 2011, 15:18:58

DR should be REMOVED for retals. And please don't tell me this is difficult to do.

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Dec 21st 2011, 20:20:17

Humanitarians should be removed for retals for 48 hours or something

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caffeineaddict

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Dec 22nd 2011, 0:03:45

sorry crest... hate to disappoint you, really, i do, but it is difficult to do.

compare it to constipation.... let's say that you've not beeen for 6 days.... you know you want to go but you're scared... you're scared because you know that, even though it will be good for you in the end, it might mean that your end will be scarred. you hope that you'll never feel the same again...... then you discover you've got piles. then you wish all that you had was constipation.

that's how difficult it is. it takes time. you'll sit and you'll wait... hoping... hoping it will just come to you, naturally, easily. but 9 times out of 10 it will not.... dammit. no... it will be difficult. next time maybe, but,sadly this time... it hurtsssssss

pele

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Dec 29th 2011, 10:15:35

Any comments from the mods?

crest23

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Dec 29th 2011, 14:44:05

caffeine you crazy mofo! You owe me a new keyboard! I laughed so suddenly when I read this i have saliva on everything.

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crest23

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Dec 29th 2011, 14:44:50

BTW, if they figured out how to do the GDI thing, they can figure this one out too.

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diez

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Dec 30th 2011, 8:29:10

Agreed.

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Dec 30th 2011, 21:55:55

Special attacks need to add to DR because otherwise countries could be farmed after having their turrets destroyed by lemmings.

trainboy

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Dec 30th 2011, 22:35:08

What's wrong with that?

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Dec 31st 2011, 12:54:06

I don't see the big deal with that... I mean people can get farmed after you Demoralize someone.

The tactic of having a friend GS or AB just to put them into DR so they cant be grabbed is lame, and shields them from retals is about the lamest ever in this game.

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NOW3P

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Jan 1st 2012, 8:02:48

Yup....can't see that being abused at ALLLLL..... o.0

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pele

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Jan 2nd 2012, 11:51:30

mods? comments?

edfjr

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Jan 8th 2012, 5:08:24

I have a suggestion.

If PS and SS are counted at 100% then could we devalue the other attacks. Such as....

AB 33.3%
BR 33.3%
GS 10%

Also all failed attacks place 50% of usual DR.

This way it takes either 3 AB or BR to = 1 PS or SS. Also it would take 10 GS to = 100%. This way it does seem to be more fair, and less abuseable. If someone wants to use their friend to place them in high DR with GS it'll take 100 or so.

However we can't remove DR since it really helps with newer ones and those legitimately in a war. Something along these lines would better reflect a proper amount of DR to the level of damage done. Ten GS or 3 BR/AB would in my prespective equal nearly the same damage as an SS or PS.

qzjul

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Jan 9th 2012, 16:19:16

ah partial DR
possible, i've been planning a more smooth DR curve anyway

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crest23

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Jan 9th 2012, 16:42:49

While you are at it, please remove DRs for retals.

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qzjul

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Jan 9th 2012, 18:11:00

why should DR be removed from retals? how do you determine what a retal is?

retals are not a function of the game.

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Marshal

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Jan 9th 2012, 20:14:56

if country a hasn't attacked on country b or b's tag past 72 hrs its not retal.

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crest23

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Jan 9th 2012, 20:15:49

It happens in Express everyset. A country has his 'friend' put him in DR and then proceeds to rape everyone. Go look at your database for Express history. Pick any set doesn't matter. You will see it geting abused. That's the reason for this thread and about 3 others. We have been voicing our concerns about this for months now.

I don't care if a country gets into DR. It helps so you can rebuild. I'm sure that was one of the reasons for it in the 1st place. But if you decide to hit while in DR. Retals should result in full gains. If countries you haven't hit decide to hit you then those returns should be as it is currently. But if it is retals, it should be full gains.

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qzjul

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Jan 9th 2012, 20:18:55

what if we change the DR length to scale with the reset? in alliance it's 1/60th of a reset == 1 day; 1/60th of a reset in express would be 96 minutes

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crest23

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Jan 9th 2012, 20:20:50

And the entire game should be based on time in turns and not time in mins/hrs but that's another topic on it's own.

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crest23

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Jan 9th 2012, 20:22:57

Originally posted by qzjul:

what if we change the DR length to scale with the reset? in alliance it's 1/60th of a reset == 1 day; 1/60th of a reset in express would be 96 minutes

Yes!!!

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Jan 9th 2012, 20:31:25

Haha, i sort of agree with scaling DR to length of reset (or number of turns generated), but 96 minutes for Express would be pretty freaking intense... I feel like it could have major repercussions on the game/final land sizes and scores. I'd be happy with 12 hours or something

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Marshal

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Jan 9th 2012, 21:07:10

96 mins ain't that much, grabber can wait and hit 1 country every 97 mins.

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Jan 9th 2012, 21:10:40

That country would run out of land :P

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Xinhuan

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Jan 10th 2012, 1:12:36

Originally posted by qzjul:

what if we change the DR length to scale with the reset? in alliance it's 1/60th of a reset == 1 day; 1/60th of a reset in express would be 96 minutes

If you did this, then no country will ever be in DR on Express outside of special attacks. Lets say 3/4 of the players in Express try for top 10, about 90 countries. Each one makes 30 grabs over the reset on different countries, that's 2700 grabs.

But at 3 DR per 96 minutes for max land returns, a country can be attacked 45 times for maximum land (in 0-2 DR) every 24 hours. You only need 60 countries to support 2700 grabs in tier 1 DR.

DR should instead scale with amount of expected grabs in the reset, rather than reset length. People tend to grab very little in Express due to special GDI rules.

Marshal

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Jan 10th 2012, 17:16:41

Originally posted by blid:

That country would run out of land :P

or until humanitarins block attacker.

Angryjesus

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Jan 10th 2012, 17:22:43

Originally posted by qzjul:

what if we change the DR length to scale with the reset? in alliance it's 1/60th of a reset == 1 day; 1/60th of a reset in express would be 96 minutes

but in team and tourney its 1/30th of the reset, something more along those lines would be appropriate. A 4 or 6 hour dr would be fine in my opinion.

Chaoswind

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Jan 10th 2012, 17:28:52

10 hours DR

let people sleep without finding their country farmed to the ground with 20 hits on their belt :)

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jabberwocky

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Jan 10th 2012, 21:11:03

Just implement one of these new DR formulations next reset and see how it works. Express sets are so quick there's room for experimentation. Everyone seems to agree 24 hours is too long, just try 12 or hell even scaled and see what happens. Even if they aren't good ideas, it will be interesting to what effect they have. I also like the partial DR for special attacks, though i wouldn't change it for missiles (especially nukes).

qzjul

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Jan 10th 2012, 21:21:38

problem with DR is it's somewhat more hardcoded and optimized for 24 hours; for example... we have a table with just news from the last 24 hours in it, to make sure that attacking doesn't require a retardedly long lookup ;)

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Xinhuan

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Jan 11th 2012, 0:48:58

Internally in code, you can just scale things up by a factor of 10.

Every SS and PS gives 10 DR each.
ABs and BRs gives 3 DR each.
GS gives 1 DR.

It's still the same 24 hour news lookup table, then in the landgrab returns formula, divide the DR by 10.0f.

Special attacks will then be harder to use to put people into DR.

qzjul

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Jan 11th 2012, 22:25:47

Ah i meant for non-24hour DR times

it means i actually have to do a WHERE time > X AND country == statement instead of a just WHERE country == which affects performance

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Fuego

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Jan 13th 2012, 6:49:08

I just think that DR should be grouped in 2 categories. SS/PS and the GS/BR/AB.

Warster

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Jan 13th 2012, 11:19:03

You mean like how spy DR works?

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