http://nation.foxnews.com/...needs-pay-all-my-children

Homeless Lady with 15 Kids: ‘Somebody Needs to Pay for All My Children’

I know of a butchery that will buy them at $8 per pound

wait Fox news?

hoax and made up?

Because anything on Fox news is a hoax and made up? If you don't think there are people like this in society you need a job to work with the general public for a little bit. Some people really do think this way.

dude I deal with more people in a daily basic than you in a week... (saying week, because I dunno where you work, but you can't deal with +40k people on a week, so I'll play safe).

anyways

maybe that would work in the US (the land of the ahem), but anywhere else she has to drag and plea to our human heart, because she wouldn't be entitled to anything and would only get what we are willing to give.

You think it will work in the US?

They are more likely to take them all away and put them in foster care.

I don't deal with 40k people a week you're right. Thank god! If your not full of BS I feel kind of bad for your profession without even knowing what it is!

Hehe it kind of sucks, but I can always tell people to fluff OFF, thanks god our policy isn't the client is always right ;)

I think the woman should have been more responsible in the first place and not had so many kids! I guess she's got the right to not use birth control.. but she should have kept her legs shut if that was the case.

She can't just expect that a local government, her community or the state will just give her what she needs. I'm sure there's lots of people who would give her *some* of what she needs, but it's not a sustainable situation.

So what do you do? Take the kids away and put them in foster care? sure there's some people who are going to put time and money to raising the kids.. inevitably the kids would probably be split up from each other- not to mention their mother.. does that really help them either (if you're looking at this from a family standpoint)?

Its a sad story indeed.

yes?

Slave her with a job to pay up for the rascals... emphasis on the "Slave" part

You put in effort (work), you get paid, you live the life within that circle. Thats the way the world work. Anything else is just a bubble waiting to burst.

It would be a different case entirely if she was able to maintain the life with 15kids before she got into financial trouble. Then help should come. In some way at least.

Capitalism is the unquestioned cornerstone of our economy, enough good things can't be said about it. To me, the problem is that capitalism remains the driving force in industries where human beings are the commodity. At some point, it becomes impossible to sustain growth, increase profit, etc. without marginalising people relying on that industry to some degree.

The government (at various levels) has oversight and responsibility for roads, utilities, public safety and so on, all of which are things that could endanger people if they were the responsibility of profit-driven private businesses. Why bother spending money maintaining some remote road that may only see ten cars a day? Healthcare falls squarely in this category. What motivation does a pharmaceutical company have to cure a disease, when selling treatments is a much stronger revenue stream?

So then comes the classic argument that the government can't do anything efficiently. You know what? That's OK! Do you want the military to only be trained and equipped for the most reasonable needs, as determined by maximising efficiency, or do you want them prepared for absolutely anything, with a plan to follow and trained people ready to act no matter what unpredictable thing happens? Do you really care about MPG when you're buying a sports car? Of course not, you can afford a sports car, so you're going to be damn sure yours is the fastest, and that everybody around you knows it.

The same thing goes for healthcare. I don't care if BCBS can provide reasonable care for customers and still turn a profit. I want my country to be the fittest, strongest, healthiest, longest-lived society on the planet (just like I want my military to kick the most ass). And you know what? I don't care if that means some of my tax dollars may end up benefiting others more than it benefits me. Part of my taxes already go to the fire department, but I'm certainly not complaining if I never see a direct personal benefit from those dollars.

Isn't not having more than about 3 or 4 kids supposed to just be common sense...

And we're back to legalizing polygamy! She clearly needs 5 husbands. ;)

yawn, our trolls have been trolled lol

On AT, even the trolls get trolled...

*shrugs* There will always be people who leech from society.

perhaps she should get a job?!

maybe she needs to pay?

I wonder how long they had to cruise the ghetto looking for the ideal candidate to interview. I also wonder if she was able read the script on her own or if the had to use a picture book to train her.

Poverty is a self creating spiral. Her 3 baby-daddies need to be paying child support for their 15 kids. The one baby-daddy with 10 kids is in jail. Seems to me like she had support from illegal activities. Getting a regular job would most likely mean she'd be off welfare, but still unable to afford her family, so her condition stays stuck.

I completely agree with UBer BU. Society is meant as a safety net for all of us, there will always be those that take advantage of the system, but it's not a discredit to the system more than the system provides to everyone else.

I think some people would like to see the return to the child labor standards that made Great Britain prosperous during the mid 19th century. I mean after all, what could be better life experience than going to work at a factor doing manual labor at age 6?

That was a very good post Uber Bu made

yes.. someone needs to be held accountable.... her.. never have more children than you can afford.. honestly.. I don't think she could afford more than 2... if any at all.. take the kids, send her someplace... can't stand people like that, having waaay too many kids than they should have, and then complaining she doesn't have enough to take care of them all.

She is selfish.

There are two things in America for which it should be mandatory to have to take an IQ test before participating - truck driving and having kids. Sadly, it seems that those are two of the things that we set the brain-bar the lowest for.

Hope the world ends before the stupid people out breed us all.

@UBer Bu: I couldn't agree with you more. A government that invests in the well being of its citizens will do better than one that doesn't.

I'll back this up with something too. Compare Canada and the US: Two countries that share similar ideals and ways of life. Canada takes a more socialist stance when it comes to taking care of the people (a lot like the UK), whereas in the US it's profit profit profit... If you cant afford your surgery, you die (or it'll send you into bankruptcy).

In Canada, our poorest people are still MUCH better off than the poorest of the US.. Our 'projects' are not (as) crime infested as government housing in the US... Our tax dollars have been spent more wisely.

In these past few years, while the US economy has tanked out, Canada has been doing significantly better. Partially because we've had that 'heavy hand' taking all those tax dollars and telling us what to do.. which in comparison is completely un-american. But where is America now compared to Canada? They are fluffed!

I understand nobody LIKES taxes, or regulations, but if you give things a little forethought, you realize letting everyone run around recklessly lands up by turning into a situation like when people don't properly discipline their children... Those kids turn into selfish brats with no respect for authority and others. Those kids are the ones who usually land up in jails or institutions somewhere.

The worst part is, the US has the largest economy in the world (still, I think?), and with all that money, they have such high poverty rates, low education standards, more crime, and fluffty health compared to other countries. The US is so far behind, it's no wonder they're in the situation they're in. I sympathize with them to a degree, but there's just too much staunch conservatism bleeding through every crack of the US, I don't think they can fix themselves (without a MAJOR reboot).

We just print more money meng... Notice how we are going to bail out europe? We will print more money lower the interest for the european countries to borrow our money then Americans pay for it in the form of inflation.

Obama said he lowered our taxes however when he allows inflation like that it's basically another form of a tax.

Also I read an article a long time ago talking about how a lot of Canadians travel south of their border (USA) to have more advanced procedures done like heart surgery. Do you happen to know anything about that?

If you look at europe which for the most part are all socialist countries with massive social programs they cannot sustain it and right now are about to break their backs. The problem is too many social programs like that you simply can't sustain over the long run. Everyone want's something for nothing.

"Also I read an article a long time ago talking about how a lot of Canadians travel south of their border (USA) to have more advanced procedures done like heart surgery. Do you happen to know anything about that?"

This is often true- you can wait until you're allowed and get ultimately the same level of care. We aren't Senegal for crying out loud. But you might not want to wait, or you might want to go visit a world renowned specialist. Either way, if I have a heart attack I'm not dying in the street. And i owe nobody a cent afterwards, either.

It is a big stretch to say it happens "a lot".

This is why America is exceptional - success and failure is up to the individual. If you make bad decisions, you may end up in poverty with a bad education, committing crimes. On the other hand, EVERY American has the opportunity to work hard and succeed. These Americans have the best education, health care and economic opportunities in the world. Its up to the individual - which brings scorn from other countries when they see statistics that make America look bad because bad decisions can and will lead to failure. Americans embrace the idea of individual responsibility and equal opportunity, not forced equality and punishment for success.

A rich person paying the same income tax rate as a poor person isn't 'punishment for success'. Yet, any proposed change from our current regressive tax code is construed as class warfare.

Equal protection from the law under a government-provided police force isn't 'forced equality'. But I guess equal protection from communicable disease is!

"These Americans have the best education, health care and economic opportunities in the world." Not even going to touch this one.

Agreed. It is that sort of delusion that makes people think right-wing policies are logical. It is a great fantasy land that doesn't exist. Right-wing American ideology is just like communism - great in theory but a complete and utter failure in practice.

First off, inflation can be a good thing when households are experiencing high levels of debt. Allows them to pay off their debts faster and better consolidate. This mantra repeated incessantly (especially by the right) that inflation is always evil has certainly stood in the way of progress getting out of this recession. And it's the lesser of two evils compared with the financial calamity that a break up of the Euro would be. The real answer to avoiding these bailouts is increased regulation and oversight. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure and what not.

If you look at the countries in Europe that are the most socialistic, you will find that they are weathering this crisis the best. These are basically the Northern European/Scandinavian countries like Sweden and Germany. Sweden in particular has one of the strongest safety nets of any country in the world and has largely not been affected by this whole disaster.

The PIIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece, and Spain) countries that have been most damaged by this are in bad shape but it has nothing to the size of their social programs. Some countries, such as Portugal and Spain are limited geographically from the rest of Europe, making economic integration harder. Hell, before this whole mess started Spain had a very low debt level (lower than the UK's as a % of GDP) and was running a surplus. Their problems stem from the banking crisis and not being able to manipulate their own currency (Spain desperately needs inflation to right itself but can't make it happen as part of the Euro). It has nothing to do with social programs of any sort.

Greece has been in debt it's entire modern existence. From when it finally split off from Ottoman Empire, it's owed money to people, frequently the British, Germans, French, or Russians. This is really a pretty familiar position for them honestly. They've only been stable as a country when an external power props them up (like the US did in the Cold War). The Greeks major financial problems don't come from social programs, they come from trying to maintain military parity with the Turks. The Greeks are also screwed by their geography.

Which leads me to the Italians. One of the reasons the French, Dutch, and Germans are so efficient (Americans too) is the river system. Rivers allow for the cheap transportation of goods and the build up of capital for investment. Countries like the US with the awesome Mississippi-Missouri-Ohio River system don't need to spend as much money building infrastructure. Countries like Italy do. And it's really clear in Italy. They have one good, navigable river, the Po, and sure enough throughout history the Po Valley has been prosperous. The rest of Italy is fractured, no good transportation options, mountains running down the spine. It costs a lot of money for economic growth in Italy. You also have tremendous political instability there, something like ~65 governments since the end of World War 2. That has much more to do with their current situation than do any government social programs.

Ireland is most fun to compare with Iceland. Both countries were in similar positions at the same time. Both called for savage cuts to social programs and outside austerity programs being instituted. Ireland took all of these suggestions and has floundered. Iceland did not do that and have recovered with a minimal impact to the quality of life of the normal people.

The bottom line is that none of the issues facing Europe stem from their austerity programs. Generally what happened there is the same thing that happened in the US with our housing crisis. Banks loaned money at ridiculous rates to people who couldn't afford it because there was no accountability. It was heads they won, tails the taxpayers lose. It came up tails. You also have the problem that generally economic less prosperous countries grow economically by exporting, something not really possible when you are with Germany in non-tariff trade union.

I urge you to please move off your Fox talking points and pick up a macro economics textbook.

The idea that our 'tax code is regressive' or that 'the rich pay the same as the poor' is a lie being spread by the current administration. Its utterly false, but apparently the left-wing stooges like yourself are buying in.

And that's fine if you don't want to touch the idea that America has the greatest health care, education and economic opportunities but you are wrong and ignorant again. I guess we don't need to debate it.

I never said the rich pay the same, but I do welcome your objective source for claiming America has anywhere near the best public education system, most effective health care, or greatest economic opportunity (I presume you mean socioeconomic mobility). Your cunning use of namecalling has me questioning my beliefs, so please help set me straight!

I agree with her someone needs to pay for these kids and it begins with her.
As for other comments above about healthcare I'm sure the state is already on the hook for paying all those kids medical bills through Medicaid. O'bummercare will just punish the middle class further, as the poor are already covered.

But why the children of the 2 men that are not in jail not being sent to their fathers to be taken cared for instead of some state foster housing?

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/...gs/2011-2012/top-400.html

http://hospitals.webometrics.info/top2000.asp

http://money.cnn.com/...00/2011/countries/US.html

Every American has access to these institutions if they are successful. Success and failure in America is up to the individual. I'm not so much referring to socioeconomic mobility as I am the sheer number of quality, world-class institutions and economic opportunities that exist. That amount of opportunity that a single entrepreneur has if he chooses.

As somebody who realized long ago that there actually isn't much difference between the right and the left I always laugh when you all call each other names:)


"but apparently the left-wing stooges like yourself are buying in."

He probably is a left wing stooge. Will you admit to being a right wing stooge?


"America has the greatest health care, education and economic opportunities but you are wrong and ignorant again."

Yup insult the lefty. It's automatic isn't it. You can't state your opinions without the insult. LOL I love it.

"but I do welcome your objective source for claiming America has anywhere near the best public education system, most effective health care, or greatest economic opportunity (I presume you mean socioeconomic mobility)"

See children, the lefty is no better than the righty. Mr Fox news never mentioned "public" or "effective". Mr CNN knows what Righty meant and that he was correct in his statement in the context in which he meant. Of course America has the best PRIVATE schools and best Doctors if you can afford it.


As I said the Dems & Reps are pretty much the same. The only difference is that while both will take your job away the Dem will fight harder for you to get unemployment.

Enter the nihilist to act holier than thou because he doesn't have a meaningful opinion.

Thank you. I love this stuff. You talk opinions yet all you do is insult. Please continue. This is golden. Would you consider yourself fair and balanced or a shill for the right? I mean no insult so don't take it that way. I just want to know what you consider yourself. Please don't disappoint. I love the whole mindset you people have:)

And that is the problem, everything is available to those who are successful. Unfortunately due to low socioeconomic mobility if you don't start out as at least middle class (which is shrinking and expanding the lower class) then you're an anomaly if you can gain access to the top end. All this American Dream of being able to get what you want by working hard is a myth that rich people espouse to feel entitled and that delusional poor people cling to as their only hope of having a better life.

I strongly disagree with that. Those that stay in the lower class stay there because of the decisions they make. Just 72% of the country graduates high school. Are you going to blame the system for that? I don't. Its up to the individual to graduate. If you drop out of high school, of course you're not going anywhere. That's 28% with no hope for social mobility because of the choices they made.

There are plenty of ways to make college affordable to matter your background. You just have to have the will to make it happen. Choosing a solid degree and working hard in college can just about guarantee upward mobility. Screwing off in college and choosing useless degrees produces occupy wall street. Its all about the choices you make.

Even if you don't go to college, you can still advance, but you've got other groups that choose to do drugs or not hold a steady job. If you don't want to try entrepreneurship, you need to stay loyal to one company. In the two companies I've worked for, I've seen numerous people without an education work in an unskilled position for 5-7 years and then get promoted to management or corporate. If you work hard, this WILL happen in most reputable companies. Job hopping or drug use will make this impossible.

So you are saying 72% of the country is upwardly mobile? That is completely untrue.
There is a glut of people in every single major coming out of college. Other than perhaps optical engineering, there is not a single degree anyone can earn that I can think of where there are more jobs available than people who hold degrees in the field. If everyone enrolled in a "solid" degree then there would be an even worse glut, even if the unemployed were more vocationally-sound. The sort of upward mobility that college used to bring just isn't there anymore. Going to college used to be sound advice to make something of your life. Now it is a gamble.

No, I'm saying 72% have the opportunity to be upwardly mobile, but there are still more correct decisions to make.

The problem with college graduates right now is that they don't seem to realize they have to do their time in a job that isn't their dream job. There are jobs out there, but grads feel entitled to their perfect job and that the available jobs are beneath them. The reality is, you have to do your time in a less than optimal job before you move up the ladder. You also have to be creative. I got a liberal arts degree and never imagined I'd be in the industry I'm in, but I love it and my job is great. People are boxing themselves in.

False (in the sense of there being as many jobs as hard-working, qualified people who are trying to find jobs)



That attitude is certainly true of some people and you have to be flexible and willing to work your way up to have the best opportunity, but those alone are not enough to find a job.

I'm going to the gym but you should look into this phenomenon:

http://www.pbs.org/...ore-job-openings-goi.html

Social Mobility...lol
I bet you think Mobility exists greatly in the US. Reality in that respect we are far worse them most third world countries. A mexiCAN far better then an AMERIcan. been a few years since hunting the data but I believe every country in Europe has better Mobility then the US, as well as most central and South American countries. But Keep believing the Dream myth. Thats why all real growth has only happened for a few % these past 30 years.