I have nfi what is going on, but I just wanted to let everyone know it is safe to resume planning your circle jerks.

Also if you dislike landtrading you can suck my fluff.*

Seriously, landtrading will happen if it is in it's current form. Lets put ours heads together to develop a mechanism that encourages grabbing, but not the sort of stuff that happens now that is so contentious. I was talking to Pang about it today, and while I have not come up with any slick ways to encourage grabbing without the back and forth acre generation known as retals... I mean landtrading that people get upset about.

Wow, this post ended up containing a lot of penis references (especially if I mean put our heads together like sword fighting)



*Note I will also allow people who like landtrading to suck my fluff.

Uhm, yeah!

/me sharpens sword (the other sword)

Also, PDM is currently accepting applicants.

Women and children are given top priority. (We already have a lot of burly clowns.)

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Country:country retals only, and no suiciding just because you weren't good enough to defend your land from bottomfeeders. But no one will agree to the no suiciding requirement :(

Detmer that's a lot of begging for someone to suck your fluff! Are you not being satisfied IRL... You need to have TAN come over more often then!

I agree with you completely, we can not rely on, ever even reach a set of accepted codes to go with. There is a very fine line between organized land trading and not, and fighting wars to stamp out landtrading will never even truly be effective. That is why the change has to come as a game mechanic.

Why does it have to come as a game mechanic change?

More rules seem to exist on this server via convention than actual game rules.

heh, he said penis

Denied.

Like what?

like "standard retal policy" for example.

Noware in the game rules is anything related to retaling referenced. But there is a "standard policy" that is widely accepted, which operates purely off convention.

and that in of itself makes this dicussion moot.

You are asking people to change game mechanics in order to support/remove behaviour that has occured due to alliance policy, not game mechanics.

There is no rule that says you have the right to attack someone back after they attack you. By extension there is no rule that says you can't farm landtraders because you don't like landtrading. Etc.

Well, I don't know what standard retal policy would be... I definitely have no acceptance of any non-PDM standard =P I only use Paradigm's if you will ;)

I agree that there are methods that people can employ, but I think the end-member consequence of two people shacking up and optimally exchanging hits is what the admins intended as landgrabbing promotion.

His point is the entire convention of "retalling" is based off of convention and an unspoken understanding between players of the game. The fact that "retalling" exists is not in dispute - only the details.

It is natural for people to want to get revenge. You are able to control whether or not people can get revenge through choosing your targets, altering your defense, etc. In primary not everyone accepts retals even, although that usually ends up in their country having a worse result.

Tan/Detmer, come to Ellensburg.

Dont see anything wrong with the policy SoF uses. 1:1 retals for midfeeds and land:land for topfeeds. We consider a topfeed when the defender has 125% more land than the attacker before the attack. It might be arbitary, but we've never had any probs. It's not too hard to make a gain on land, unless you make a fail attack or fail retal.

Once again landtrading is referred to as "shacking up"... I see what you are doing around here....

Any land:land retals takes away any point of lg'ing.

I disagree. If you only allow 1:1 retals for cross country then you maintain tag retaliation status without removing the point of grabbing. If you don't allow people to self-retal L:L though, then you remove the benefit of running a country that is any good because it says if you are above average then you are just a target. (There is a sweet spot between carrying a lot of defense/blending in and having a fluff ton of acres).

I cannot believe people still talk about topfeeds as if they exist.

Confirmed.

And Ellensburg... mmm maybe... you should come to Madison. I'd say we could make a trip to Green Bay but good fluffing luck getting tickets

Ghost acres are over powered. There should be a lot less. If you have to rebuild 3k acres to gain 400 then people would be a lot less likely to land trade...

lol i cant believe some people still try to pull the topfeeds doesnt exist

as for landtrading get policies that encourages grabbing but not back and forth all day

Ellensburg? Ewwww.

just say no to L:L ! like drugs

Instead of positive ghost acres it should be a Negetive (wasted acres), so as to piss people off when hit, makes for more realistic. Then there would be no Land Trading just Land grabing.
Or make Mil. strat start at a .8 instead of 1 and then have it effect how Ghost acres get factored so as in a 20% ghost loss and then become the current Ghost positive as the start tech goes above 1.00 .

Topfeeds aka smaller country getting more gains/reward for breaking a bigger country was coded out of the game, so yeah, TOPFEEDs don't exist.


Now we have vicious midfeeds in with countries hit land fat countries with the same networth, a completely different thing.

Land:Land on anything else besides C:C is a huge pile of fluff; server policy should be C:C L:L for single hits, 3 Retals on double Taps (escalating) and no more than a single hit every 24/48 hours (otherwise people will exploit the C:C retal rule and destroy the retal capabilities of countries by hitting the same country too much) aka LCN makes a hit, then LaF, then MD and the poor bastard has to retal all hits on his own.


I propose the following policy for the server to encourage Land Grabbing and player interaction.

1 hit every 48 hours (to give a fair shot to busy people) = C:C Land:Land until at least 70% of the land has been taken and the other 30% can be filled by Ghost Acres.

Second Hit under 48 hours 1:2(escalating) and can be done by anyone in the defenders tag, this is regardless of the situation that lead to the second hit:
MD hits PDM (C:C L:L)
12 seconds later
Evolution Hits the same country in PDM (1:2)
44 hours later
LaF hits the same country in PDM (1:3)

In the case of Farming an alliance by being an asshole, the following will apply

Country A in PDM hits countries B, C and D in ICN under 48 hours

First hit C:C L:L
Second hit C:C L:L
Third hit 1:3

if a country has done excessive farming on a Tag more than 10 hits in the last 120 hours, then that alliance will make FA contact, if no possible solution can be reached then that country gets killed (probably would even get to that point before a war starts).


Att: KKK

Topfeeds don't exist? What do you call it when a country with 58 million networth on 18k acres makes a 40 million jet PS on another country?

As far as the traditional sense of the word (uber gains by being smaller) topfeeds don't exists.

That's not topfeeding rockman. The only way to maximize your gains now is to be roughly the same size, which by definition is not topfeeding.

if that's the definiton of topfeeding, then we'll have to change how we play the game. RIP stockpiling.

Not saying that it would be a bad idea btw... :p

Topfeeds were not coded out of the game.

Then why I got fluff gains when I made an all jetter and grabbed a country much bigger than mine?

You and your ilk have claimed that the admins coded topfeeding out of the game. That is a factually incorrect statement.

It was never added to begin with?

If you are trolling me...

No, it was the same formula.

looks like someone needs to remove the last part of his name :P

PENIS?

why must all your posts sounds so insulting or angry :P

You only get ghost acres the 1st time you hit a country.

Explain yourself then. Your post is about as worthless as you are ;)

Don't feed the trolls.

Unless he is a cannibal troll and he is laying a sweet sweet troll trap

Explain myself how? I reverse engineered the formula back in the Earth 2025 days. I implemented the formula in this game. You're wrong about topfeeding.

You don't know fluff but you think this is up for debate because you're such a special snowflake? fluff off.

I thought this thread was to brainstorm. lol

wow wow...

Green Bay!

You were from Connell right TAN? They just won State for the second year in a row.

So the landgrabbing formulas from Earth2025 are EXACTLY the same as the ones we use now huh?

Bullfluff slaggy, bullfluff.

So wait... You're saying that it's the same formula as Earth 2025? Sure doesn't seem like it butter cup.