lol SS. HIghrock I think one the reasons they will have a good set this one is due to the fact that they had literally no landgrabbing competition until the laf/md players were done with their war. Gave them quite the early land advantage imo.

That goes both ways ozzite. Neither side seems capable of it though.

lol:P

Yes, an early advantage but at the same time, LaF/MD had a larger pool of landgrab targets once they won their war. :)

well that's probably there are going to be more 200M countries this reset than last reset because there's a larger pool of landgrabs in general

I think the problem is hanlong, that you reduced the font size of the "NO POSTING ON AT" post from 100 to 20 something. This means the validity of the post is reduced from 100% to 20% for some people. Or is it just me being confused since empirically it seems to work that way? :)

Erian should u really be posting here??? :P

well first of all i didn't reduce the size of that post

second of all i think there was other announcements that need to be read also. had to balance the sizes so everything can be read ;P

Pick 1 or pick none i say! :D

lol @ highrock dissing people who actually play legit

Maybe he would finish up to your standards if he took land from clanmates like you did?

Pot, meet kettle.

Do I take land from clanmates? No
Does lenshark take land from clanmates? No
Do you take land from clanmates? For all intents and purposes, yes
Can a LaF member try to use it as a talking point? Hell no:

2010-07-19 18:19:16 PS Back to main page (#144) LaF Das Leben der Wang (#169) LaF 1069A (1572A)
2010-07-19 18:18:47 SS Back to main page (#144) LaF Das Leben der Wang (#169) LaF 728A (1071A)
2010-07-19 18:18:39 SS Back to main page (#144) LaF Das Leben der Wang (#169) LaF 1205A (1771A)
2010-07-19 18:18:24 SS Back to main page (#144) LaF Das Leben der Wang (#169) LaF 1243A (1828A)
2010-07-19 07:31:28 SS Back to main page (#144) LaF Das Leben der Wang (#169) LaF 630A (1267A)
2010-07-19 07:31:22 SS Back to main page (#144) LaF Das Leben der Wang (#169) LaF 650A (1300A)
2010-07-19 07:30:41 SS Back to main page (#144) LaF Das Leben der Wang (#169) LaF 670A (1330A)
2010-07-19 07:30:37 SS Back to main page (#144) LaF Das Leben der Wang (#169) LaF 692A (1365A)
2010-07-19 07:30:31 SS Back to main page (#144) LaF Das Leben der Wang (#169) LaF 714A (1399A)
2010-07-19 07:29:36 SS Back to main page (#144) LaF Das Leben der Wang (#169) LaF 738A (1433A)
2010-07-19 07:29:32 SS Back to main page (#144) LaF Das Leben der Wang (#169) LaF 763A (1471A)
2010-07-19 07:29:28 SS Back to main page (#144) LaF Das Leben der Wang (#169) LaF 789A (1510A)
2010-07-19 07:28:45 SS Back to main page (#144) LaF Das Leben der Wang (#169) LaF 817A (1548A)
2010-07-19 07:28:42 SS Back to main page (#144) LaF Das Leben der Wang (#169) LaF 845A (1589A)
2010-07-19 07:28:38 SS Back to main page (#144) LaF Das Leben der Wang (#169) LaF 876A (1633A)
2010-07-19 07:27:35 SS Back to main page (#144) LaF Das Leben der Wang (#169) LaF 912A (1683A)
2010-07-19 07:27:29 SS Back to main page (#144) LaF Das Leben der Wang (#169) LaF 994A (1817A)
2010-07-19 07:27:21 PS Back to main page (#144) LaF Das Leben der Wang (#169) LaF 1712A (3080A)
2010-07-19 07:26:34 PS Back to main page (#144) LaF Das Leben der Wang (#169) LaF 2014A (3544A)
2010-07-19 07:26:29 PS Back to main page (#144) LaF Das Leben der Wang (#169) LaF 2351A (4048A)
2010-07-19 07:26:19 PS Back to main page (#144) LaF Das Leben der Wang (#169) LaF 2825A (4736A)

If #144 finished 10th I would have FAed Wangzilla (#455)over him.

Also what about #74 this set?

You in all likely have taken land but i rarely care to know who owns what country in evo.
Lens hasnt taken any land so far this reset, but he has been given free FA. But I should be thankful I suppose that is all evo are giving him. Compared to the majority of your t10 contenders most resets that is hardly worth mentioning.

Have i ever grabbed a country tagged LaF? no. Have I ever received FA from a LaF country outside of war? No.

Do I grab my own tag while they sit with stock on hand? No.

Do I need to go back over a year in some ridiculous attempt to try and make it appear my alliance isnt the only illegitimate net-gainers on the server? No.

Jul 27/11 2:33:12 AM PS Slags Cleveland Steamer (#74) (EVOwhore) Big long hard (#61) (EVOwhore) 3657 A (+1735 A)
Jul 27/11 2:29:50 AM PS Slags Cleveland Steamer (#74) (EVOwhore) Big long hard (#61) (EVOwhore) 3853 A (+1828 A)

Jul 25/11 6:32:08 PM PS Slags Cleveland Steamer (#74) (EVOwhore) The Rusty TrombonEVO (#252) (EVOwhore) 1611 A (+1515 A)
Jul 25/11 6:32:03 PM PS Slags Cleveland Steamer (#74) (EVOwhore) The Rusty TrombonEVO (#252) (EVOwhore) 1699 A (+1563 A)

Jul 10/11 12:04:10 AM SS Z (#118) (EVOwhore) Doggystyle (#259) (EVOwhore) 182 A (+92 A)
Jul 10/11 12:03:52 AM SS Z (#118) (EVOwhore) Doggystyle (#259) (EVOwhore) 255 A (+238 A)
Jul 10/11 12:03:25 AM SS Z (#118) (EVOwhore) Doggystyle (#259) (EVOwhore) 292 A (+379 A)
Jul 10/11 12:02:58 AM SS Z (#118) (EVOwhore) Doggystyle (#259) (EVOwhore) 300 A (+386 A)
Jul 10/11 12:02:36 AM SS Z (#118) (EVOwhore) Doggystyle (#259) (EVOwhore) Defence Held

Jul 10/11 12:04:18 AM PS The Ark (#769) (EVOwhore) Doggystyle (#259) (EVOwhore) 279 A (+130 A)
Jul 10/11 12:04:06 AM SS The Ark (#769) (EVOwhore) Doggystyle (#259) (EVOwhore) Defence Held

Incidentally, the only reason 114 finished 11th was because I was annoyed at him for intra farming so I decided i'd try for a few days to make the bit extra to finish above him...

That is as opposed to the evo collective high fives when you cheat a legit country out of a t10 spot.

fluff load of land trading. I think it should be coded out. You shouldn't be allowed to hit countries wearing the same tag. however I suppose you just de tag and hit? Perhaps it's like GDI with the 72 hr thing.

The role of FA is important, And for netters a t10 finish is an achievement worth going after.

Looking at all the comments, it doesn't appear all that legit. Both Evo and laf make out most of the top10 and both sides appear in defending each other, have proven themselves of guilty.

HAving said that, In an over pacted alliance server , where can you get land from??

SS likes to pick and choose which news he reads.

#259 was detagged a minute after those hits and some miscommunication led to two players thinking he already was.

#74 is taking the land back gained from others taking his retals, because it is deleterious to buy up to 30M jets while you are still stocking. I'm not a big fan of it, but there are many alliances who do this on a regular basis.

I doubt you could make any similar claims for your own alliance news.

Wow, you're reaching all new levels of stupidity now. HEY I DON'T HAVE ANY PROOF BUT I JUST KNOW THAT SS GOT FAED FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF HIS TOP TEN FINISHES. HERP DERP



I just looked through the tag news and lens received no FA packages whatsoever. You're a dirty liar but everyone on AT probably already knows that.



I never made such a claim dumbass. EVO isn't 100% legit but they're improving. They're also pretty honest about the illegit stuff they do (unlike LaF) so it's tolerable.

But let's examine how "legit" Solidsnake is:

2010-12-15 00:08:01 SS slagpit sucks at netgaining (#346) SOF I CANNOT BE DELETED (#567) 80A (105A)
2010-12-15 00:07:59 SS slagpit sucks at netgaining (#346) SOF I CANNOT BE DELETED (#567) 81A (106A)
2010-12-15 00:07:50 PS slagpit sucks at netgaining (#346) SOF I CANNOT BE DELETED (#567) 169A (245A)
2010-12-15 00:07:48 PS slagpit sucks at netgaining (#346) SOF I CANNOT BE DELETED (#567) 173A (251A)
2010-12-15 00:07:34 PS slagpit sucks at netgaining (#346) SOF I CANNOT BE DELETED (#567) 256A (461A)

Here you are farming someone from your tag seconds after he detagged. I wouldn't call this legit personally but most would. Normally it wouldn't be worth mentioning, but:

2010-12-18 02:39:35 PS slagpit sucks at netgaining (#346) SOF tool academy (#40) SancT 610A (1339A)
2010-12-17 02:34:32 PS slagpit sucks at netgaining (#346) SOF Bit By the trouser Monster (#387) MONSTERS 706A (1259A)

Oh yeah, you stocked for a few days on your undeserved land and then tried to midfeed. You're a garbage player who despite trying as hard as he can every set he netgains can't even win. Nice $62 M NW finish there champ.

About the hits by Slags Cleveland Steamer (#74) (EVOwhore): yeah I'd agree that shouldn't happen. It's not like anyone in EVO is denying it though? LaF people praise the netting skills of highrock yet he grabbed land from a tagmate instead of doing a retal himself. Same thing here. Guess it's only not okay when EVO does it.

About the hits on Doggystyle (#259) (EVOwhore): The guy was an inactive who was detagged probably less than five minutes later. Some noobs hit early. Who the hell cares?



When the hell are you even claiming this happened? And who the hell are you to make accusations like that? Laf has an end of the set chat every two months to figure out who they are going to FA into the top ten (according to you anyway). A few sets ago laf FAed someone into the top ten, knocked out an EVOer, then lied about it on AT until they were finally forced to admit it.

Good job dumbass, you really made yourself and your alliance look good. I wonder what further lies, hypocrisy, and dirty play we can look forward to from Solidsnake.

Mine wasn't meant to be a diss but since Slagpit decides he needs to drag everybody into his trashtalking, maybe you guys should get on the same page before you post. And I've finished top 5 easily without double-stepping a retal.

You randomly came in here and talked trash along with all of the laf idiots. How was your post supposed to be interpreted?

By the way Lenshark finished 2nd with a techer in the past. What's your best finish? 2nd? Oh please highrock, join EVO and teach us how to play techer.

In the 6 resets that I've played here, I don't remember Evo finishing high with techers...maybe in the first set I was here. I've always said to others that Evo would have more top 10s if they played techer more, but they rarely do. My post was referencing that. I'm sorry if you have a stick up your ass and misinterpreted it as trashtalking.

I've always respected you as a netter and admired your CI finishes and your hard work as an admin. I've also never said a single word about Evo on AT. I don't know why you feel the need to trash me here.

I pick and choose? detagged or not, its intra farming, which happens every reset in evo, last reset you detagged "inactives" all having played within a week, one of them batch exploring getting hit, batch exploring again, getting hit again, before detagging. I dont pick and choose, i just call out everything illegitimate.

Hey, you want to run land farms in the evo tag, be my guest its not against the rules, but dont come on here claiming to be legit afterwards.

And as far as taking land back from others retaling, rofl, just rofl. Maybe next reset i'll run 0 d, and if i get hit, then i deserve mass fa/ 1 jet ps land farms right? Get real.

LaF doesnt have to make any claims because all intra farming is banned, there is no passing of retals from person to person to retal. As slag has shown one instance in over a year and the guy almost got booted for it, congrats.

Every reset evo pull the same crap, and then come on here trying to claim to be legit, if that's legit, I'd hate to see what dirty is.

LaF tried to detag a member right at the end, but clearly the idiot who did it had no concept of how to calculate averages.

megalol?

Half of evo's top finishers are tainted every reset, you're supposedly one of their better netgainers not that it takes much, so i assume you take after the company you keep. If im wrong im wrong, but I rarely am.




An evo member known to you said on #earthempires he recieved 1.2b from within evo, if that is untrue, then i apologise, although considering the source i doubt it is.



Rofl, ok, wow, you forced martain to self delete, he said on irc that he in detagged (in a public channel) and i took it, while fully war prepping (oh no i forgot, i always play in sof to netgain, you're a bright one!), congrats big boy. And yes, trying as hard as i can, I didnt log on to that country for over 4 weeks of that reset, and you're trolling me for not finishing well while trying "as hard as i can"? really? Tell me slagpit, how many times did you ever rank above me on any server when we both netgained? if never is the answer then trolling me seems slightly stupid no?



Every reset evo has done the same crap for years, you know full well because i told your fa's when we were still pacted stop the bs or i will drop you (that was even when we had no issues at all)

Hell last reset kj got free land and fa for no reason but to try and beat me/bakku and he still fell miles short.



Yeah i mean really, who cares if you have people running half a reset every reset just to farm and drop. No big deal to the legitimacy of your reset right?



Pull the logs dumbass, laf doesnt lie about end of reset fa'ing. Anyone that does is a moron since its unbelievably easy to see, dunno why you're acting like sherlock holmes and you just solved a big case.

Your whole list of "dirty netgaining" play by me is one instance of farming an untagged country while wargaining, and you're on here raving about me? fluffing seriously? Perhaps go use your admin privilages to do work on the dr that you messed up rather than looking up my countries next time.

Evo succeeded in dropping 3 countries to win anw last reset, high five?

highrock I finished 2nd with a techer as well...what it was the first set when nobody was seriously netting well F all you guys:P

also I think its awesomly hilarious to have slagpit/SS discuss an old countries of SS's which was named "Slagpit sucks at netgaining"...lol!

he does fluffing suck at netgaining

lol, he's actually pretty amazing at netting.

Whats the highest net an evo country has gotten legit slag? Oh yah.... less than Highrock. Most people either consider him the best netter or one of the top 3-4 in the game right now so yah... Stop being an asshole. Highrock is polite to people of all tags in almost every discussion I have seen him in. You however, come off as a whiny baby. Act a bit more mature sometime eh?

these threads suck

So putting aside the back and forward bantering... Evo tugging laf and visa versa... CAn I take it the answer to my original question is NO???

I'm happy to announce.. or sad.. depending on my standing as a warmonger.... I have hit a record high net of..... 51.8 mil... it is 2mil higher than my last netting session when SOL decided to go crazy and give netting a try... hopefully Makinso and the other leaders have got that outa their system... I'm headed back home!

bah this thread makes me cry

fazer: the answer is yes.

i received no FA last reset and finished t10. tagged of course. and i'm obviously not the only example. there's countless of such examples from many alliances (evo/laf included, as well as many other ppl such as sof/sol even, omega puts up t10s, sanct has a guy (ley i believe) who puts up unaided t10s etc. etc.). despite what the flaming is leading you to believe, it's actually a pretty common occurrance to have non FA-ed tagged t10 now. hell bakku won last reset with no FA with a record breaking NW. i dont think t10 without FA is that hard these days. i didn't play in the first few resets of EE and came back recently, and last reset was the first time i tried netgaining somewhat (so it was the only one i can talk about since i was following the countries and their stocks) and from what i remember 9 of the 10 top 10s didn't do what we term "unlegit" (aka FA/market buyout/land from own alliance).. so i thought it was a pretty good reset in terms of "t10 without FA". not saying it's easy either.. it does require some luck as well as skills and a lot of time ;P

you can easily scan whether a person got FA or not. it's not rocket science to figure out how much production someone can have and do some math to figure out their nw. especially for non demos because reselling is out of the question.. even with demo you can easily figure out how much networth they can make from reselling from the market charts and the market transactions (but that part is more time consuming). it's not really a mystery anymore these days... that's one reason (i'm hoping at least) why people are FAing for t10s less often. because it's too easy to figure out you are getting a nw that's not possible based on how you played your country...

for instance this reset's t10 lineup shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. anyone who's been following netting this reset will know who has been a t10 country all reset and who hasn't... so anyone trying to FA massively into it is just going to be so fluffing obvious...

i dont think untagged is possible though unless you are counting "untag yourself last minute". and no one is stupid enough to do that anyways just for the sake of being the first untagged t10.

speaking of techers and finishes, i personally have 3 alliance rank 1s as a techer (none in the EE era though).

i think more often than not, techers are usually on top... but of course if there's too many techers (like this reset) then tech prices would tank and casher/farmers will win.

laf and evo should man up and sign a pact that designates that if any evo or laf country is Fa'ed out ofthe top 10 by the other, the clan doing the Fa'ing must pay reparations equal in NW value to the NW of the country that got knocked out.. That would put a stop to it ;-)

or possibly a pact with sof/sol/whoever else as co-signatories, such that if one does Fa the other out, a group of alliance have free reign to tagkill the offender for the next set or something..:p

dragonlance: i really don't think its a big issue lately. just a bunch of the usual AT flaming that some people like to feed off...

the only problem?

One side denies anything to do with dirty netgaining, and one side only has started to FA people into t10 because their t10s always gets FA'ed out of it.

LaF has always, and only have FAed anyone into t10, if the person they are going over, was FAed.

Slagpit's claim that LaF runs end of set chat is true, however, for the past year, the chats is mostly spamming and banter back and forth, an event that allows the LaF members to socialize, FA packages rarely gets discussed or done.




Slagpit, if you are so sure that all the finishes are legit. Maybe after each set is done, add a page for t25 finishes, as well as listing the number of FA packages each has receieved, which day they were sent, and how big the package was (nw wise? maybe even the full package)

or maybe a section saying BUSHELS gained in landgrabs in each set for the t25?

oh wait, these things won't be implemented......

god this thread is so dumb :(

fazer alraedy got his answer, can we just move on?

seems to be a big issue for the laf/evo trolls.

of course the rest of the server, DOES NOT CARE!!

Whilst we love drama, we also like ORIGINAL drama:p

You're an idiot. Did you read any of what slagpit wrote or are you so retarded it's a reflex to post bile first and engage brain-cell later?

According to your leaders you've been FAing to the top for about 10 years now, so as to counter all the other bad alliances that are cheating you out of your ranks. You're a bigger joke than that idiot troll locket.

anoniem, if you could actually read,

LaF started FAing people into t10 over some countries only because others FAed those countries over LaF members.

If you take comments from LaF leaders out of context and try and spin fluff, how about look at your own EVO leaders, who would never decline any accusations of running untag land farms that topfeeds other alliances to feed land back to EVO.



I give this forum way too much effort even though I've quit this game.

Yes, thank God we have Slagpit and Qzjul helping to cover up our untagged multies. Evo have been increasing in size not decreasing, so unless we are running multies there are no "evo" players playing untagged.

Unlike LaF, evo don't have players playing in different alliances instigating grabs on LaF.

If you've quit then what does this have to do with you? Were you ever anybody of any significance in LaF? Nope, so you're still an idiot and clearly know nothing.

we have players playing in different alliances? if you know of this, please tell me i'm going to ask them to come back into our tag =)

anoniem for LaF Head IA? :P you clearly do more than my own head IA then ;)

Sup hanshlong...

hi!

C'mon this is the type of unsubstantiated BS we get upset with LaF for posting.

*cough*

Unsubstantiated? Take a look at Pangaea's country and his in-game messages.