That is the worst logical argument I have ever heard. Because the vast majority of humanity believes something, you're suggesting it is proven to be truth? The vast majority of Europe believed the world to be flat, that didn't make it true.

The onus is on religion to prove there IS a god, which has NEVER BEEN DONE USE CONCRETE FACTUAL EVIDENCE.

It feels like I'm arguing with a child.

No, I am NOT suggesting that the belief of a "God" is necessarily truth. I am merely pointing out your fallacy that "because I hate what people have done with their beliefs in $diety, that $diety does not exist".

Also, the vast majority of Europe knew the earth was round. There are plenty of historical documents that suggest that people knew the Earth was round back around 300-500 B.C. Some cultures may have believed the Earth was shaped like a dome, with their location at the top, but not to many people believed it was flat.

Also, your ancestors would vehemently disagree with everything you're saying. Not saying they're right, just saying...

i see santa every year at the mall and i got money left under my pillow for every tooth i lost. but ive never been spoken to or seen god.

I never used that argument Nukevil and intact stated that if I created a religion based on x belief it would have the same statistical likelihood as any other religion; unfathamobly low.

I'm not sure what you're argument is. My ancestors would likely be more upset than my living relatives, half of who I am not in communication with since emotionally becoming an atheist by the age of 13; logically I am agnostic as I cannot ascertain beyond all doubt that there is no god, however emotionally I feel it is so unlikely I relate more to atheism. I was raised Christian, Sunday school, youth groups, regular bible readings, prayer over dinner and spent a summer with some second cousins etc on a communal farm with 8 related large families all evangelical, subjecting me to hours of bible study a day.

My families views have no merit to me, neither do mine or anyone else's ancestors.

It appears that, no matter what I or anyone else here says, you will absolutely refuse to even consider that the existence of a "God" might be possible or even true (you just mention your inability to totally disprove the existence of one). You also used the word "emotionally" to describe your desire to not believe in the existence of a "God", so you've probably had a bad experience in relation to religion. So, I will wish you a good night, and will hope that you will forgive and forget whatever or whoever did whatever to you to turn you off to the possibility of a higher power.

i think for most people common sense is what turns them off. maybe thats just me.

if you believe in 1 god, does that mean you believe every other religions god exists also?

I only believe in one God, His Son, and His Spirit.

As to other religions and their gods, I seem to recall a passage in the Bible that says something like "let every man work out his salvation with fear and trembling". So, if someone does not wish to believe in the same God that I do, who am I to judge him/her? If someone told them about the gospel, that person now knows of the one way to Heaven. If they refuse to believe that, then that's their choice. Perhaps their religion believes in the same God, but in a different way? I'm not spending too much of my time trying to figure out other religions.

FOR MONOTHEISTS (THE VAST MAJORITY OF RELIGIOUS PEOPLE) WITH AN OPEN MIND (THE VAST MINORITY OF PEOPLE AS A WHOLE) THAT IS INDEED A POSSIBILITY.

RELIGIONS IN GENERAL SEEM TO HAVE ONE COMMON THEME: "HEY, JUST DON'T BE AN ASSHOLE". WHAT WE GET ALL HUNG UP ON ARE THE LESS IMPORTANT DETAILS. THE PROPHET SAID THIS, AND YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT, SO I HAVE TO KILL YOU. JESUS SAID THAT, AND YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT, SO I HAVE TO KILL YOU. ETC ETC

I THINK IT IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT THE GOD OF EACH RELIGION IS THE SAME BEING, AND PEOPLE JUST HAVE DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS OF HIM, BECAUSE WE INSERT OUR OWN STUPID, SELFISH INTERESTS INTO EVERYTHING.

Nukevil, yes, emotionally. I deem the notion that there is a higher power so preposterous and insulting to my intelligence that emotionally I am an atheist. I concede however that their is a minute possibility the Universe, or multiverse, was created by a higher power. That possibility would simply open the door to more questions rather than answer any, however. Because of this small possibility, statistically so unlikely that it borders on impossible, I am forced to logically declare myself an agnostic.

Nope, most of our ancestors wern't religious. Most ancient civilizations had some religion because most ancient civilizations arn't really ancient in comparision with the larger part of our ancenstry.

The catholic church had great power because, well, back then the few people who were actually sceptic about generally accepted santa claus were like to be discriminated against, shunned or even killed.

Crusades corrupting religion? Arn't you aware that that nice god guy has commanded people to do many pretty grim acts in the bible? If he did those things back in the day when he is said to have actually spoken to us humble mortals, why would he have changed his mind now? How about muslims? Well, those who "make war on the unbelievers" are actually the true muslims, because that's what they're told to do in the Quran.

God doesn't exist because people believe in him. "Science" can't disprove God because science is a methodology. Scientists and others who try to disprove the existance of a god havn't succeeded because they havn't realized disproving the existance of anything can't be done. Luckily, atleast they are rational enough to grasp all the patterns, flaws and contraceptions that delegitimize religions to the point where it's laughable.



You don't even have to look between different religions for that. Pick two random persons from one religion and they are highly likely to imagine god differently. People see, hear and read what they want to see, hear and read.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19680785

Libyans are fighting the good fight. This gives me hope :)

I think what will determine west-"east" relations is not whether we western outsiders try to appease the extremists, but rather if the native population continues to wake up and overthrows not just their dictatorial oppressors, but also their extremist religious oppressors. Terror from extremists might be chilling toward speech in the west, but just imagine having militias of even state armies in your own country threatening your life and livelihood if you don't conform! For this 1.6b people to become free and earn their place in modern civilization, they need to throw off this yoke. Thankfully some are awakening.

If the West does not show a friendly face and offer help to the people that may disagree with the extremists nothing will happen.

we have to throw more money at them, or they'll refuse to live in a peaceful society?

Don't be silly

The Singapore government has requested Google to block that video to Singapore lol.

that might be a bit difficult for me to do today because i'll be watching Monty Python movies.

It's just a flesh wound! That was quite relevant in survivor this week...

yah, yah. i should be considerate of them because if i'm not, then they'll wig out and flipping kill me. how many of them paid to see the movie anyway? don't they have better things to spend their money on? is that what they do all day? just sit around waiting for something to piss them off, so that they can run around like nutts?

Always Look At The Bright Side Of Life! *whistle* *whistle*

is it legal in Pakistan to put out a contract to have somebody killed?

http://en.wikipedia.org/...onour_killing_in_Pakistan

hmmm, maybe? but would that make it legal for me to do the same to them?

Dibs is angry and is looking to see if it's legal to hire people to kill Pakistani government officials who offer up bounties to have people killed in the name of Islam.

Dear FBI, can i put a price on the head of that horse's ass?
if it's legal, how much will it cost?
can i get him snuffed legally for under $1k?

people are rioting in my Pakistani country because they watched a portion of a video of that was stolen and dubbed into Arabic and i must hire somebody to kill the maker of the film! how many Pakistinians actually understand Arabic? probably all of them, it's gotta be their native language, since all them were born Muslims. wasn't Pakistan part of India once? probably not.

can i? can i? can i legally hire somebody to kill that horse's ass? can i afford it?

fark your $100k. i hire somebody for like $1k... make you eat the horse crap that you been shoveling.

that's not a kill order. hmmm, ugh, now i gotta pay somebody in Pakistan if they actually make him eat horse crap. it's probably worth 1k. take your jihad crap and shove it back up your ass.

let's see, if we wipe them off the planet, then people will learn how to live in peace. well, we do have the technology... not that it would be their fault... just a convenient scape goat.

Fear for your lives, Beotches. Don't even attempt to try that terrorism stuff on us again.

dang. i'z spamming again. musta drank too much.
yah, well, wake me up when it's legal for me to kill that Pakistani government official for speaking out his ass.

Allah might decide that his money can buy death to infidels. yah, well, Allah just might let me kill him because it would be a good joke about what money could buy.

i want laws passed to make it legal for me to kill any Islamic nutt job who offers a bounty for another person to be killed!!!
empower me!

ok, that solves that problem. i wrote the White House asking if it was ok to hire somebody to kill Railways Minister Ghulam Ahmad Bilour. i'm sure they'll get back to me with a valid decision.

hope i sent it to the President. might've sent it to the kitchen staff. don't even want to think about who might show up for breakfast.

hmm, maybe i didn't hit the submit button? why i hear nothing back from the White House? are they not talking to me for some reason?

hmm, maybe i just confused them because the answer should be "No.", but they just can't figure out how to decisively answer the question because only one answer is actually valid.

i like egypt muslims best.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...orld-middle-east-19721654

a toon for a toon.

least they have a clue about it.

see, i qualify it as it's your priviledge(sp?) to make fun of my beliefs... won't save you a day from rotting in hell because you refuse to accept them, but at least you got to have some fun along the way.

oh, and i watched the Gandhi movie, and i'm still perplexed how Muslims and Hindus could live together in peace under the British Empire, but as soon as Gandhi got the British to run away using his non-violent super ninja pirate techniques, that the Muslims and Hindus could no longer live together... probably one of those ancient Indian mysteries that i'll never understand, kinda like yoga.

maybe that Gandhi movie was a lie. would a Hindu actually quit eating to get Muslims and Hindus to stop fighting? who the heck would pay attention to some poor starving bass turd? i'm kinda glad that i can outrun them. it's purely reflex, i just can't tell if they need crack, booze, or just some food.

shooting for 5k in one night huh dibs?

The original reason I posted this was because I was amused at how easy it appears to troll Islamic people. I'm not nearly as amused now, I'm just saddened.

Good stuff!

hehe, hmmm, oh my, i didn't know i was that close to 5k posts. wonder if i have enough booze left... bah, even though i do like to post nonsense, i don't think that i have enough nonsense left in me to achieve that goal today.

i doubt that it's possible to troll all Islamic people. it's one thing to say "Thou shall not kill, Thou shall not steal, etc...", quite another thing to tell me that i can't doodle. just because the idol is there, doesn't mean you have to worship it. i hate seeing ancient art works getting demolished in their areas. seems like they have no respect for the people who took the time to create them.

i can probably take exception with every religion because of the few beliefs that they teach that are bad, but i'm still stuck with the fact that the majority of the beliefs that they teach are probably actually good for society.

I agree in principle Dibs. My problem with religion is that it paralyzes peoples minds. If a religion has 99% good stuff and 1% bad stuff I still think it's a bad thing. Why? Because forcing your mind to accept the one 1% bad things does things with your mind and the collective mind of a society.

Maybe it's worth it in the long run. Maybe we cannot find a set of societal morals and ethics that is free from badness. But I think we will not reach our full potential as a species if we accept badness from day 1 and call it truth (especially divine truth...). Thus I don't think that religion is good for society anymore. I could very well be wrong of course.

i dunno. i'm still stuck with the silly problem where i asked for permission from the White House to hire somebody to kill someone who offered a bounty to have someone killed because they don't like free speech.
why do i need that kinda permission?
what i do if they say "Yes"? borrow some money to make somebody become road kill. highway pizza. wonder if it would qualify for a tax write-off?

hmm, are they just waiting until it's politically correct to kill Pakistanis?

I'm not sure about the purpose of this thread. It's recently become clear [on actual news sites like McClatchy and Reuters] that the attack on the US Libyan embassy was planned by AlQaeda, included RPG's, and did overwhelm the minimal security that was there. So.. the film had nothing to do with it.