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CKHustler:
Originally
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Rockman:
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anoniem:
yeah, i don't know how you can compare a mistake about how many states obama said he visited to people in that video slating gay marriage aka equal/human rights.
also why are these idiots so scared of "socialism"? it's actually scary how fluffing stupid some of these people are. they don't even know what socialism or communism is.
My dad calls Obama a socialist. I keep trying to convince him that Obama has been very friendly to big business and hasn't tried to socialize anything. Even his obamacare leaves the insurance companies privately owned.
Rockman, one could argue that what you just said is basically the definition of fascism. Not the always negative connotation the word has, but the actual definition of the form of government. Communism is the government taking the business from the businessman. Fascism is the government leaving the business in control of the businessman, but controlling how he runs it. Socialism is really both and neither at this point in time. Those forms of government hate each other, historically, yet one (communism) is trumpeted as a graduated form of socialism and the other (fascism) has had socialism in the name (nazi's).
Fascism tends to also incorporate a strong sense of nationalism. I would not say that Obama has done that, although he has incorporated a lot of abuses of civil liberties in the name of the war on terror and war on drugs.
I call Obama a state capitalist, due to the influence of Murray Bookchin on my views. It is where the capitalists control the state and use the state as a weapon to protect their own interests. Small businesses cannot thrive in such a system, and can even be outlawed completely.
Question 7 in Maryland right now is an example of a state capitalist system. We currently have five casinos in Maryland, and that is all that is allowed by law. Question 7 would allow a sixth casino to open up, at an already determined location, and to be owned by an already determined group of capitalists. There are currently five casinos in Maryland, and it is completely illegal to start a business which competes with them. The market is completely closed. It is completely protected by the government. That is what state capitalism is. And that is what Republicans and Democrats embody.
I'm not sure if the strain of nationalism and the erosion of civil liberties by Obama and Romney has gotten to the point where we can call them fascists. But they are definitely very close.