prove it.



apparently you missed my point.

by varying levels of AI you mean some of them are smart enough to destroy a netters country who farmed them at some point in the set like most other suiciders would right? adding bots is a great idea if they can be programmed like that. otherwise youll have people who already camp the small amount of untags on a much larger scale, so not instead of them gaining 600 acres a day they will be able to gain 2500 acres a day with zero risk and no additional cost. if you think land trading is unfair, that is 10 times more unfair.

a single person can have up to 16 countries in FFA, and can use a majority of them as farms for the larger countries. I think there's a lot of dynamics that won't translate to alliance, unless players are willing to act as farms for the rest of their tag.

If this: http://www.eestats.com/alliance/country/721, is the only sanctioned way to grab then i think there's a problem with this game.

Yes, by varying AI levels I meant there should be some that will run rainbows and others real strats, some that will never retal and some that will retal heavily for somewhat minor transgressions (never a FFR for a single grab, but maybe a missile for a grab or an AB run for several hits).

Prove what? All of those points are pretty obvious to me.

im sorry i should have been more clear on what i meant.



prove it :)

locket, play FFA to prove them :D

play in TKO :D

I already did my one set there :P it was too time consuming.. maybe because I had techers but meh. I got 4th or 5th after messing up a fair bit. Can't say I'm willing go try again anytime soon :P

And Pain, too many people in Laf would have hernia's if we did :P

playing 16 is so time consuming

no its not, 30 minutes max

Depends on strats/how much time you plan to put in/how experienced you are at speed playing ;)

I don't get you.

hmm landd

lol it's quite funny how almost everyone here fluffed when we did this in Sky Elitez, then got mehul to take away ghost acres.

this could have been the norm about 7+years ago :P

Given that your landtrading can generate you 6k acres in 2 hits at this stage with no risk, I don't really see the argument that these bots should be retalling countries that grab them. Even then the playing field is not even.

Yeah PP whether or not they attack back doesn't matter to me because most of the little guy who get farmed now rarely get a chance to attack back. When you can hit people 1/12 your NW makes it hard for the little guy to retal.

His problem is that he doesn't have any friends. No one in other alliances would trade with him. He hits them and they farm/kill him. Now, a survey, who feels sorry for him? That is what i thought.

His problem is that he doesn't have any friends. No one in other alliances would trade with him. He hits them and they farm/kill him. Now, a survey, who feels sorry for him? That is what i thought.

then i'd just landtrade within my own alliance...

I'll trade with you!

is it a skill?

er, so what is the consensus on landtrading?

do it and get fluffed?

By who?

i think i have to agree with evo/anoniem on this one ;P

WHAT HAS THE WORLD COME TO?

looks like the top ten is gonna be dominated by landtraders from RD,etc ;)

So is anyone who attacks and is retalled a landtrader? Wasn't the purpose of ghost acres to make it so people would start attacking each other again?

Doesn't Evo FA members into the top 10?

No, no alliances really do that anymore. In a server where tag-protection is everything, people like to pretend they are self-made men and did it all on their own.

I like this Detmer fella

What I would actually find quite interesting is what would happen if all cross alliance grabs/attacks were banned for a set. See what clan really is the best at land trading.

Could you really guess it would be anyone other than Laf or Evo?

those 2 have best netting strats but alliance which has most members might beat those 2 if biggest alliance isn't laf or evo.

I could guess that the majority would still be Laf and Evo, but I think there would be plenty of others that have had a go at land trading already that will do quite well.

Are you talking tnw? ANW is where it is at :P

tnw and anw, it really depends how good netters that biggest tag has (if it isn't laf or evo), anw will be close.

I expect there to be more people against land trading in Laf than Evo, and certainly the rest of the clans.

Trading land is nothing different than FAing members to top 10, 20, 100.

Therefore, if it were a 1 off set, I would expect to see a lot of clans in full on land trading strats while Laf and Evo remain with more All-X.

lol well there are still untaggeds but if you are doing a hypothetical situation you may as well pretend everyone does the trading :P

it's quite different actually. FAing members would mean that the rest would be not on the top and would go down.
On landtrading, it could be that all those countries would go on the top.

To stop those trading lands, they should not be given L:L pacts

Having NPCs would be great in my opinion.

o.O

So, what is the server to do then for viable land? The grabbing untagged thing constantly? Create FA nightmares from people making landgrabs then outrunning the retals by buying up stock and causing the rest of the alliance grief by paying the reps out of their pockets? (PS: PDM, [TAN rings to mind as a major contributor here], has had to do this on more than one occasion... it royally sucks but it happens!)

So what everyone who is against land trading is saying is that they should open their alliance up to "Will Retal" status in everyone's database and let all their core netters become targets for everyone? Grabbing pacts are becoming popular in this regard as they offer a set amount of countries up for "grabs" in exchange for the protection of those who really do just want to hit the explore button every day. Each alliance is out to suit and tailor to their members' wants and needs. I've done land trading and have been quite successful at it. I've done aggressive attacks and retal trading and have done quite well at it as well! To me, with ghost acres involved, it really doesn't matter if someone's trading or straight up attacking every fat netter you have in your tag. The benefit of trading within a structured environment outside of your alliance is that you tend to build relations with those you are trading with and therefore, building a stronger bond between the two alliances in question. This all said... I would add that it should be on the fair side that people land trading opt into these grabbing pacts as well to add a bit of "risk" to their playing and not totally rely on "trading" as their means of gaining acres... Really, these are members who aggressively want to gain land and should be grouped in the "aggressor" category.

Alright, this is approaching the tl;dr category... Enough beer, time for sleep!

I think someone said that as long as the retal policies are respected during trading nothing wrong is being made, and I agree, however, if you can't even respect your own rules when trading, then you can't be granted with L:L policies.

Here is a thought, grab the land traders.

They *we, cough-cough* tend to run pretty low defense and as an added bonus the tags that land trade tend to have pretty fair retal policies. If you see a couple of fat land traders from PDM and (RD, EVO, Sanct, Monsters, etc.) that look like yummy targets, just pop one of them. Thats how the Earth community has always sorted things out - with jets. When we have to start carrying enough defense to fend you off while we land trade . . . viola! Land trading becomes a lot less palatable.

Of course if you do it enough - we'll probably kill you for it - but hey, striking a balance between the fine line of war and netting is what the games always been about.

Here's the thing, PDM has actively grabbed with RD, EVO, and Sanct this set - all of these are alliances that we have had historically bad relationships with that we now call friends. You guys could learn from this. I was once very critical of anon, but now I do routine FA with him 3-4 times a week and there is no way I could ever be ugly or rude with him now that I have developed a relationship with him.

What kind of relationships are you guys developing with your bottom feeding targets?

Why would anyone be unhappy about being grabbed as a land trader (unless they are being grabbed by a fluffty country, or maybe a different strat)? The whole point is to grab and retal. That is why ghost acres were introduced... to make it worthwhile to grab and be retalled...

I am a land trader and I respect non-land traders' right to attack me.

I do get annoyed when the attacker is a different strat, just because we both have to pay extra for those acres. Better target selection would yield better results.

omg archaic and anon on a relationship! j/k

What if the attacker is untagged and SS all low defense countries and delete? That would be pretty annoying for land traders.

yeah, but thats pretty annoying for everybody

Detmer - the unhappiness would result from the likelyhood that:

A - like Balin said, they would be a different strat
B - they would likely have a higher break that would force you to buy up heavily to retal
C - they might try to outrun the retal

But yes, a big part of my trying to encourage outsiders to grab land traders is so I can retal them.