Do you guys care to admit what took place... or do I really have to waste time and post the proof for everyone to see?

LaF did nothing wrong.

Well, they FA'd 229 into the top ten and knocked out one of our countries from top 10 in the process. Whether that is "wrong" or not isn't for me to say, but I am pretty sure it was stated even in the last week by LAF that they don't FA into the top ten anymore, so at the very least it is somewhat disingenuous.

hey i was suicided by an untagged country that had two tech allies with evo countries this reset, so let's not air dirty laundry on AT ;)

Where's the outrage for the SoF FA, and the RD FA in this thread?

Because, unless 280 mil NW finishes can be legitimately achieved, they did the same thing at one point that you're claiming LaF did..

But anyway

My give a fluff meter seems to be broken - some alliances are okay with FA/Buyouts, and some alliances don't much care for them.. Meh

yeah i think the main difference is that LaF stated multiple times they never do buyouts or FA chains.

i could care less though

you have to waste time and post the proof for everyone to see...

there was no FA chains or buyouts done by LaF. i can promise you that.

if we were doing FA chains and/or buyouts LT would've been rank 1.

I could be remembering wrong, but I seem to remember a few SoFers stating the same thing..

I dunno which darn thread that was in, so I wouldn't know where to find it (spent ~5 minutes looking) - so if I am mistaken, or if 280 mil NW finishes are legitimately achievable then I'll gladly apologize for misremembering/being a netting n00b.


/apologizes in advance

I think you are gonna regret that promise hanlong. What do we get if you are proven wrong?

First piece of evidence...

Date/Time (Local) Good Price Quantity Sold
Feb/02/11 23:51:05 <> Jets $260 651,827
Feb/02/11 23:50:02 <> Jets $260 20,920

That was the only military sold in the last minutes, so if a country lost NW in the last ten minutes it was because they were sending FA,
or they ran out of food/cash.

Feb/02/11 23:10 Santa Claus Is Don Of The Elves (#33) 139,466,073 +270,745 42,195 0 D LaF 1 Bought/Tech/Build
Feb/03/11 0:00 Santa Claus Is Don Of The Elves (#33) 132,185,657 -7,280,416 42,195 0 D LaF 1 Sold/Ally/Harmful Op
obviously sent FA
Feb/02/11 23:35 Chewi the red nose monster (#508) 140,530,801 +172,290 26,732 0 H LaF 1 Bought/Tech/Build
Feb/02/11 23:40 Chewi the red nose monster (#508) 140,540,517 +9,716 26,732 0 H LaF 1 Bought/Tech/Build
Feb/02/11 23:45 Chewi the red nose monster (#508) 140,713,573 +173,056 26,732 0 H LaF 1 Bought/Tech/Build
Feb/02/11 23:50 Chewi the red nose monster (#508) 136,715,498 -3,998,075 26,732 0 H LaF 1
Feb/02/11 23:55 Chewi the red nose monster (#508) 115,309,300 -21,406,198 26,732 0 H LaF 1

Obviously sent FA and ran out of food/cash while doing it...

Now take Merry Christmas (#229)

Buying out his PM each turn, 38,169 * 6.5 = 248,098 NW
that's what he's doing for a while...

Feb/02/11 23:00 Merry Christmas (#229) 172,662,439 +491,611 38,169 0 D LaF 1 Bought/Tech/Build
Feb/02/11 23:05 Merry Christmas (#229) 172,916,070 +253,631 38,169 0 D LaF 1 Bought/Tech/Build
Feb/02/11 23:10 Merry Christmas (#229) 172,924,809 +8,739 38,169 0 D LaF 1 Bought/Tech/Build
Feb/02/11 23:25 Merry Christmas (#229) 173,190,091 +265,282 38,169 0 D LaF 1 Bought/Tech/Build
Feb/02/11 23:45 Merry Christmas (#229) 173,435,108 +245,017 38,169 0 D LaF 1 Bought/Tech/Build
Feb/02/11 23:55 Merry Christmas (#229) 186,649,919 +13,214,811 38,169 0 D LaF 1 Bought/Tech/Build
Feb/03/11 0:00 Merry Christmas (#229) 194,049,919 +7,400,000 38,169 0 D LaF 1 Bought/Tech/Build

Where could the NW have come from?
Nothing was bought off the public besides the jets, his private NW was surely empty and the NW matches and losses with the other laf countries line up perfectly

you can prove LaF did buyouts? you can get anything if you see that ;P

FA chains? there was no CHAIN FA sent. do you even know what "chain" means? =)

someone sending daily FA to another member? didn't happen either

One person FAing isn't considered a "chain" :P

http://www.slacklineexpress.com/...alog/images/chainlink.jpg

oh kingme can you also care to address about since my country being suicided by an untagged country that was TECH ALLIED to two evo countries this reset. maybe the FA package was to make up for what was lost? ;) i was debating whether to talk to your FAs about this but i was so certain i would get some lame response that i decided to wait until 2 seconds left in the reset to do anything about it.

and i was willing to let it drop without airing it out, but since its the hot topic these days, we can talk now

and please for the love of god, talk to me over ICQ instead of AT. i hate doing FR over AT ;)

I didn't make this thread to discuss you're suicide problem. You should have taken that up with the FA's. I have nothing else to discuss with you, I'm not in a position to talk. We have a contacts page on our website if you would like to chat.

ok then, well consider that your answer since you were bothered enough to ask.

next time don't tech ally to untagged people if you care so much about "legitness" and especially not ones that happen to suicide the competition.

and i dont want to "chat". i have nothing to say to them. if evo was bothered enough to chat about their issues with LaF, they know where to find me.

lolsroyce

Suicide on the competition? The Omega is better competition than LaF these days. 7 countries in the top 25 versus 2 and a higher average networth, it's not even close.

Considering that zero evo leaders have posted in this thread, the amount of disrespect shown by hanlong is just sad.

then keep your members in check then. if an evo member didn't start it, i wouldn't have said anything.

and when i meant competition, i didn't say the alliance as a whole. i meant specific countries. and i'm sorry if you felt disrespected, but you called out my alliance and whether its a member or alliance, you asked for the response.

Well gee... now you have me curious!
Which country was yours? I'm curious to see the "suicide". Also, please don't accuse me allying with untagged people. I am one person, not my entire alliance. How much FA did EVO send to this untagged country? I really hope the answer isn't 0 (for your sake).

How was I not being, "in check". I only made an observation and asked for an honest response. I obviously wasn't getting that, so I posted my findings.

You're really coming off as a "not nice person", I hope I just caught you at a bad time.

"How much FA did EVO send to this untagged country?"

i don't care about the suicide actually. suicides happen all the time.

my point is tech leeches from untagged countries are now part of "legit" netgaining now?

and you said you are just one person. fair enough. you can't call 3 guys (as you have shown in your "proof") to be entire alliance.

i wish this thread never existed because i didn't want to go down this route. and i apologize to evo if i insulted their alliance for the actions of a few members. just like you shouldn't make a thread addressing/insulting my entire alliance for the actions of a few members.

ya'all are funny

slagpit,Laf's top netters didn't put in an effort this set and lots of laffers apparently missed thousands of turns. Only LT put a real effort in from what I know. The whole FA and landtrading and getting killed 2 sets in a row seems to have effected peoples desire to go for the top when theyll either get cheated out of it or killed.

sorry long day at work. i'm usually very pleasant ;) but regardless, the reset was all screwed up in terms of netting from the mass aided countries anyways i don't even want to get my panties worked up in a bunch about it anymore =)

I only addressed something that you yourself claimed "your alliance never does".

Feel free to call me out on something similar anytime.

But... I'll let the rest of the people take this over. I'm glad no more panties will be bunched.

3 guys don't make an alliance ;)

Very sad that you guys are always pointing fingers at others. Nothing new here though.

lol so typical hanlong. "We don't FA" becomes "can't label a whole alliance based on a few members." I will remember this thread the next time LaF says "we haven't FA'd into the top 10 in years".

And you really should have brought to EVO's leaders attention pacts they had with untaggeds that suicided. Your failure to do so is pretty irrelevant to this issue.

You usually post sense hanlong, in this thread you are a complete fluff...

I think its safe to say evo's fingers are safely up each others collective rear ends.

So your answer to this was to FA a country into the top ten? It's bad when LaF members get demoralized by FA and illegit top ten finishes, but it's good when a LaF member is FAed into the top ten?

Stop acting like a fluffing prick. I told you why laf wasn't up to its potential this set. I was quite polite and didn't mention anything else. So you can basically go fluff yourself.

A lot of hostility in this thread... =/

i dont see the big deal on helping members get high ranking countries with FA, land trading, etc. this is the alliance server after all isnt it? if you really wanna go for individual finishes then i thought thats what the solo servers were for?

Online games do that to people. They unnecessarily act like assholes.

I didn't say that I didn't believe you, locket. That's a reasonable explanation. What I want to know is, why would LaF attempt to do the same to other alliances? I'd just like an explanation of the apparent double standard.

everyone draws the line in different spots

lafs position (i guess i get to call my position lafs now) is that we like to be open about networth changes we do

you can see before the last day hour 5 minuts, where our countries will wind up, we dont appreciate our members receiving FA during the set repeatedly, or making cross set FA deals (think 2 average netters who alternate sets helping eachother to easily get t10's rather than just t50's) both of which we have been annoyed about in the past (both internally and externally)

however at the end of the set when we can see who in other tags (or ours) got a networth we consider unfairly boosted we sometimes decide to boost those countries of ours closest or most deserving, perhaps sometimes we even do it more than that, one time i remember we FA'd someone into t10 who didnt want FA which wasnt the best thing to do

what seems to have happened this set (and i havnt bothered checking completely) is that ~half of the top 10 did lame things

#229 was moved from 16th to 9th with ~21mnw going off your numbers, im not sure how many of the 15 countries above 229 deserved their finishes but assuming the country which finished 11th did then ~5 other countries also took that guys place

laf had countries 101-103, im sure some of those could also have easily missed out on top# category because of someone else

laf is in favour of both transparency for FA packages and seperate leaderboards to make it obvious where countries would have finished without FA

the problem with your position enshula (and others) is that LaF has maintained an anti-FA,etc. position on the boards. Kingme doesn't care if he gets beat by an RDer who is internally farming, he cares if he gets beat by a bunch of hypocrites. And thats what you guys are being. Keep digging the hole deeper LaF AT talkingheads...

I think he references inset FA rather then end and implied he wouldnt do it if he felt the countries above were legit. Just my thoughts on how it could be seen.

kingme was nonaided and obtained a higher NW than your guy. Nothing happened here except 1 nonaided player getting screwed over by another up until the last 5 minutes nonaided player out of a top 10 spot.

how exactly did the FA hurt mr. silver's finish? Please do explain...

wow this is a totally different experience when its not directed at clan b.

yup classic EVO v LaF thread, with a major side of clan Slagpit Stinks

bobby who are you even replying to about silver? :P

You can agree with laf's decisions/reasons, or you can disagree, but they arnt really hypocritical bobby thats pretty obvious to see (and if you wernt in the moronic persona you seem to have adopted recently, you probably would have realised that), laf has admitted to aiding people at the end of the set on multiple occassions.

how you can consider an alliance arguing consistently against FA Aiding, then doing it as not hypocritical is absurd.

inter farming/land trading/fa chains, are unquantifiable
end of set aid packages clearly are.

end of reset aiding/counter aiding has happened most resets for like 12 years... originally laf lost alot of t10s over it, now it tends to gain some