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posted by
Alin:
Somewere btw 1990 and 2015 you managed to totally destablize a large zone right in our neighbourhood. The overall mess in Middle East and North Africa is mainly your fault, with EU tacit agreement. Europe is slowly becoming a refugee camp for decades now... and things are swifting with speed. ISIS grows in numbers and there is a wave of imigrants crossing from North Africa and Middle East into Turkey,Greece,Serbia Macedonia and finally to the developed countries in UE. Among them 100% there are ISIS cells... and we all know their intentions.
The above being said, i care less if the entire people of Iraq were agains Saddam. Is their job to overthrow their dictator and change their country. I don`t care what Gadaffi was or done... i basically don`t care about Syria dictator or North Coreea. Hundred of millions died in order to overthrow regime after regime in this part of the world, thousands of revolution and riots happend in the last 2000 years in order to achive the current status. Is anyones duty to go rebel and overthrow a leader they don`t like or a political class that does nothing for them... not mine or yours.
But his crow dressed as a parrot ( "we did it for them, for democracy" ) does not stand anymore, when they were sucked out of their resources and Europe is now paying the bill...
Point of fact, the US did not draw the national boundary lines in the Middle East...that was done by...wait for it...Europeans (especially France and the United Kingdom) after they conquered Ottoman territories in World War One. In typical colonial fashion, victorious European powers slapped some lines on the map and said, "You kids get along, now." Then when they had to smack down some misbehavior they said, "I told you to behave." This was all well and good while France and the UK and other European powers, like the Ottomans before them, were willing to play overlord disciplinarian. As with the Ottomans, that time passed and the Europeans powers went home.
Thus, the mess we have today was created. If we want to play the blame game, we can go even further back into history and learn about why the different groups in the Middle East conflict with each other. The bottom line is that the Middle East was not a settled and stable area when the Ottoman Empire controlled it, tensions simmered under the surface. The Middle East was not a settled and stable area when European powers seized control, tensions simmered under the surface. The Middle East has not been a settled and stable area since the European powers left. With or without US intervention in Iraq or Afghanistan (both times), the Middle East was going to be chaotic in the best of times.
Millions of people died for Europe to reach the mostly stable conditions that exist today, but tensions continue to exist. The Middle East has not gone through the crucible of Hell on Earth that Europeans unleashed on each other in the two world wars of the 20th Century. The Middle East's tensions and issues run as deep as the tensions and issues that Europe was only able to set aside after looking around at destroyed nations and peoples twice in one lifetime.
Frankly, if you think that the US could impact in anyway the centuries of blood soaked sand that exists in the Middle East, then you give the US too much credit. Your blaming the US this entire problem has failed. Your blaming the US for even most of this problem has failed. You're blaming the US for a large part of this problem has failed. Another idea that failed: blaming Europe for most of the current problem. The Middle East's biggest problem is the Middle East.