Maybe Leto, TC, or Empy can clear this up for me. I'm kind of stupid, so let's go slow here.


1. Leto has been trying to setup an arranged war with SOL.
2. M4D and Leto get attacked by an ATSucks member.
3. ATSucks then uses that as justification for attacking SOL, claimg that their own member is actually SOL - AND that they got intel that SOL was planning to attack them.
4. ATSucks reveals that upon attacking SOL unprovoked, they see that SOL's countries aren't built for any war yet. This seems to contradict point 3, no?




How does this narrative coming from ATSucks, Slagport, and Leto, make any sense at all? Am I really this stupid, or is this some of the dumbest 'reasoning' I've ever read?

You are really stupid as you are the only one that cares enuff to waste your life thinking so much about a game

Dude sui, I know. That's what I've been trying to say!

lol

Quite a good observation.


Leto is playing checkers while we’re all playing chess.

I'll post the full version for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcWM_1hBu_c

I'll make a deal with you.

Point out one of my lies. And if you can't, you ban yourself for 2 months.

1. The person that FA'd you isn't a spy, they were trolling you
The end.

Why would I accept a one-sided wager like that? It doesn't really matter though because you can't offer equal terms for that.

The lie is right here: "ATSucks reveals that upon attacking SOL unprovoked, they see that SOL's countries aren't built for any war yet."

AT Sucks did not attack SOL unprovoked. AT Sucks did not say that SOL's countries aren't built for war yet.

Just look at the saved spy ops. Does it look like SOL is netgaining to you? This is a really stupid discussion.

Was that point 1, 2, 3, or 4, Slag? And do you realize you just posted from your wrong account?

Huh? Sol was wargaining for an arranged war.

There are literal posts on these forums with ATSucks members mocking SOL for having countries with zero defenses.

I am not slagpit. He's better looking.

Exactly. If they were planning on striking ATSucks with an FS, they would have surely had offense and defense, and not been wide open.


Slagpit, do you want to ban yourself now, or would you like to flail around for a bit first?

Yes, they did. Doesn't mean they weren't prepared for war.
I mean, not ALL of their countries were bad. Even I can admit that.

We probably sabotaged 100 missiles... that means they bought warfare tech. It's in the name of the tech.
You're still tagged up? Look at the saved ops.

Huh? Did you read a post by someone named "arseVAMP" and think that was a serious, credible, official statement from AT Sucks? Is "arseVAMP" the head FA, president, or head of war? It is common for players at war to insult the countries of their opponents. Do you not understand the concept of trash talking?

Don't put anyone else's words in my mouth and don't falsely accuse me of having multiple forum handles. Otherwise you're free to make a fool of yourself. This is AT after all.

You don't need defense when FSing a tag with less than one third of your numbers. Most of their countries still have not bought up significant defense even after participating in the war. Again, you can check the saved spy ops.

I also never said that they were going to FS us on a certain date. It could have been one week from now, two weeks from now, or some other date.

Slagpit - we aren't stupid enough to believe your lies, lol. Just admit that Leto talked you into hitting SOL so that they could have an advantage in their arranged war later in the set. We all know what really happened here.

I'm the one that told him, not Leto. So...

Sure... lol.

I attack M4D. M4D kills me. Ya'll decide to attack SOL. And you expect us to believe ya'll and M4D didn't talk, aren't in cahoots?



Come on, we aren't stupid. Wow. This is insulting.

Now listen up here, blorkmole. It seems like you're deflecting from your attacks on M4D that could have been meant to escalate hostilities between ATS and M4D, by suggesting they're in cahoots. I honestly have no inside knowledge but it seems likely that if they thought you were doing that to benefit SOL that they would further troll you by doing the opposite of what you might want. If you weren't doing that to cause fluff then wouldn't it be nice if you gave them the benefit of the doubt, too?

So:
1. Not everyone is conspiring against you, there's just so many who dislike your style (I'm indifferent, so if your tag doesn't mind, that's probably all that matters, though then I'm not sure why you retagged ATS).

2. ATS could be a spam tag, but based on their name, I'd argue they are more likely a troll tag (but could be both!)

3. I don't think anyone is sad about the outcome on any side here? Why spout vitriol and make up dumb names of your enemies beyond in-game type banter? I don't see any lies here and I don't think anyone is actually angry, there's just a lot of polished trolling, kudos all around, especially for the $1 FA - that is top tier!

I'm even more confused, aren't Blackhole and Slagpit part of the same spam tag this set? Why the hell are you two going after each other?

Perhaps he will soon create a tag called "AT Sucks Sucks"?

Yep!

Confirmed. I was bored and I thought it was funny. Was it not?

It was. Too bad that wasn't on the list that Slag responded to. He just kinda... added that one, lol. He's like 'look, you didn't actually lie in anything I quote and said you lied about, so I'm going to find another post from you somewhere else instead'.


Good try slug!

Blackhole will never admit he may have made a mistake or had an error in judgment. His ego won't allow it. So expect him to double down on this. I'm interested to see where he'll take it!

As I already said: don't falsely accuse me of having multiple forum handles.

Its even funnier that a troll FA package sent simply for my own amusement was turned into such a conspiracy. I like it!

Slag,

Sucks to be falsely accused of something, doesn’t it? I agree, falsely accusing someone sucks!

Just like SOL was falsely accused of wanting to tag kill atsucks when in fact they were wargaining for an arranged war. Doesn’t make sense for them to want to use up resources and getting into another fight after.

On the contrary, my friend. I am a very flawed individual that makes frequent mistakes.

I will admit that what Sapphire said is true (although, unbeknownst to me at the time) I will also state that, although I blamed it on M4D, I ididn't actually know. Sometimes it's fun to levy an accusation and see where it goes. That one didn't stick, obviously.

Impersonating game staff is against the posted forum rules.

The rest of it is just spin and I'm not all that interested. No one in SOL directly denied that they had plans to FS us or had suggested to third parties that they might hit us. They had 112 posts to so and it never happened.

Everybody knows that SOL accepted Mercs help in the war. Everybody knows that SOL and Mercs are easily capable of both FSing AT Sucks first and doing an arranged war later. But you keep denying it in one case and making vague non-denials in the other. What's the point of posting something that you know isn't true and that you know that others won't believe? Is it some kind of political power play? "We're the baddest warmongers so we're going to lie on AT and the rest of you are too scared to call me out"?

Slag,

As someone that financially contributes to the game, and as a forum patron, I have skin the game

I’m not BSing you

-nobody had plans to kill the atsucks tag. We were all goin to do an arranged war and SOL was wargaining.

-you crippled a warring tag’s wargain efforts for a friendly arranged war.

-you were “fed” intel. It’s pretty obvious who it was from, wasn’t from any of us. If you were genuinely concerned you were going to get tag killed, you would’ve made an effort to contact us first.

Spin, BH, spin!

Dance, BH, dance!

God, the quality of trolling on this board has gone down the tubes. Dagga was at least actually entertaining instead of just being a pathetic loser.

SOL and Mercs are doing joint war chats. They are directly and deliberately working together. If SOL did not want help from Mercs they would kick Mercs out of their war chats and Mercs would do separate war chats on their own. Where is the flaw in my logic?

Also the patron stuff doesn't matter. You are free to criticize my actions as a player as much as you want. We both have countries on the Alliance server so we have equal status in that regard.

Just to be clear, it is certainly possible that we were fed false intel. I've never said otherwise. We acted on imperfect information and tried to defend ourselves instead of just rolling over and waiting to be hit.

I don't really see what would have been the point of contacting SOL? There is no mechanism in game to establish trust. With 40 countries vs 12 the FS would have decided everything. I also highly doubt that SOL would have pacted a "spam tag".

Yes because we’re both Allies and our allied partner were attacked. Of course we would do joint warchats and defend each other. This is what the game is about.

And I’m mentioning my patron and premium status as someone with skin in the game, I am not bullfluffing you.

But I do see your deflection regarding the part where you intentionally crippled a warclan’s wargaining for the benefit of another. This is highly suspicious, and everyone sees it.

No, you weren’t fed false intel. Don’t try to play the dumdum logic where you pretend to be the village fool

I know you are a very highly intelligent person and you knew EXACTLY what you were doing.

But nice try Slag. You ain’t fooling nobody.

You were fed false intel.

By Leto, right?


Now we are all on the same page.

George W Bush in da house!

Ok, then go ahead and say instead of saying that SOL begged you not to help. If SOL didn't want to you help then they would have asked you not to help and as a GOOD ALLY you would have acceded to their request. If you insisted on helping anyone they would have removed you from their war chats. It was SOL's decision to accept help from Mercs. There's no way to spin that.

I don't see how I'm deflecting anything? If you have a specific accusation to make then go ahead and make it. I can't really think of any motive for helping M4D and I can't think of any motive for hurting SOL. I don't even know who is in M4D for the most part. You can join their discord and look for me there if you want, you won't find me. I know Vic Rattlehead because we've exchanged messages on Express and I know Leto because he's helped a few players get their passwords reset. That's all that comes to mind.

Nice try dude. Don’t change the subject

Did you, conspire with Leto to cripple SOL before their arranged war?

Answer truthfully.

This is kind of a weird post. I'm responding to what you're saying on the boards. You seem to be reaching way beyond that. Where is your evidence for any of this?

I can tell you that I don't believe in a play style that deceives others. I don't want players to doubt the words that I say on the boards, even when I'm engaging in the community as a player. For example, I would never get a defensive ally with someone on primary then break that pact and farm them.

[quote poster=Slagpit; 53118; 1043965]

This is kind of a weird post. I'm responding to what you're saying on the boards. You seem to be reaching way beyond that. Where is your evidence for any of this?

I can tell you that I don't believe in a play style that deceives others. I don't want players to doubt the words that I say on the boards, even when I'm engaging in the community as a player. For example, I would never get a defensive ally with someone on primary then break that pact and farm them. [/quote


If you want people to trust your word, you're failing miserably at that.


We all believe that you worked with Leto to come up with somoe non-sense excuse to try to cripple SOL.


If that's not true, why don't you reveal your 'intel' that you were falsely fed so we can see who the real liar is.

I didn't change the subject. No, I did not conspire with Leto to cripple SOL. The last forum PM Leto sent me was on Jul 25, 2024 about an account issue. I am not friends with Leto on discord. I have no motive to conspire with Leto and no mechanism for doing so.

Then who fed you false intel? Someone else in M4Ds at Leto's request?

Wow dude. Can’t believe you LIED

Why are you dragging us into this? Stay in your lane.

1. everybody needs to lay off slagpit. he didnt work with m4d as he's said. he got his intel from someone else. probaby someone in mercs or sol told him they were going to attack him. where else would the info come from

I'm an idiot and typed PDM when I meant M4D. Sorry bro

Slagpit, one of the smartest guys in the game, who also owns the game…

Is capable of falling for “possible” bad intel and then acting on it without doing a lil research.

This has predetermined and intent written all over it.

Well played Leto. You’re out here playing checkers while we are all playing chess.