honestly if you grab a clan you should respect their retal policy. If you don't respect it then you should either war them or not grab them...

PDM has been clear that their policy is 48 hours not 72.

What is had to understand? You have two options:

1. keep trading hits back and forth and bicker about 48hours vs 72 hours.

OR

2. kill them off.

Neither is good in this case... I would say just freakn' retal them within 48 hours. It sholdn't be hard to retal in the 48 hour window.

My 2 cents.

The problem is we are past that. They SHOULD have just done it in 48 hours since that is really not hard to do...

I think what you all are forgetting is the basic principle that Retal Policies are to inform other alliances how you retal when you are grabbed. They were never meant to be stated what retals you will accept. It always was when you were the attacking alliance you fell under the defending alliances retal policy. Somewhere along the lines most likely SOF or maybe even LaF decided thier retal policy was going to dictate how they were to be retaled as well. I hope this can be settled in a peaceful manner.

In regards to 48hr vs 72hr, I like 48hr as it would promote a bit more activity if your members want to get thier retal in. We aren't changing our policy this set, however...so, it'll be interesting to see how this is played out.

The problem is a pact

we never signed a pact accepting your new policy, so we have no obligation to abide by it.

Unless ppl stop being so hardheaded I only see this ending one way, and that wouldn't be good for either side

The problem is a pact

we never signed a pact accepting your new policy, so we have no obligation to abide by it.

Unless ppl stop being so hardheaded I only see this ending one way, and that wouldn't be good for either side

They have the right if they can enforce it.

If I hit you for 1000 acres and you retal me back for 900, we both know whats going to happen if you come after that last 100 acres. This is a big part of why ghost acres were brought back into the game - to encourage more grabbing and create more land. Your 900 acre retal probably created an extra 600 ghost acres, enjoy them - cuz if you hit twice I am going to call it a ROR and farm yer pimply arse.

This was not about L:L anyway, it was about 72 v 48 hour retal windows.

It is stupid to artificially tell a country than has the power to regain all of its land that it can not. No one has a right to take their land and then tell that individual who has the power to take it back that they do not have the right to do so.

The 1:1 vs L:L aspect of the PDM retal policy *IS* perfect. If anyone doesn't agree with that they simply do not understand it.

If you want your land back, do it in 1 retal. If you can't, then you better increase your defense so nobody tries. It's a very simple concept that this server still doesn't understand. D-E-F-E-N-S-E.

You're right, that country has the right to regain all of its land back, with 1 hit. If they can't get it all back, then they should have played it better. Get similar NW, Mil Strat etc. If I grab PDM for 2500 Acres and your guy retals and only gets 1800 Acres, then he retals again and gets another 1600 Acres, thats 3400 Acres. So I lose out big time. That's really going to encourage landgrabbing on this dying server...

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You can't control who decides to hit you, only how many times you hit them back. It is stupid to hit someone who can hit you back. Politics should not handcuff a superior country.
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How is it perfect? The aggressor can run a Tyr with Max Mil Strat and LG someone with similar NW and gain nothing, because the defender can half-ass it and just hit a 2nd time if needed to take more than the L:L.

If you want your land back, do it in 1 retal. If you can't, then you better increase your defense so nobody tries. It's a very simple concept that this server still doesn't understand. D-E-F-E-N-S-E.

(Detmer, I'm not targeting you, just this policy in general, which I think others are attempting to enforce).

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In 100% honesty I have not read what you wrote beyond like five words. As per my original statement you do not understand it.
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Would you look at that, the date stamp on Detmer's post about PDM's policy is the same as the date PDM started grabbing NA. Interesting.

*hat tip - Thunder*

L:L is stupid. The only time it makes sense is when you hit an ally, as you shouldn't gain from that. Otherwise, it just takes away from the game as it doesn't encourage as many countries to landgrab.

If you aren't going to benefit, and get hit for L:L, then what's the point in landgrabbing? It just makes this game more boring than it already is as a text based game.

I agree, L:L should only ever apply to allies, other wise 1:1 escalating should apply. Trying to enforce a L:L policy with unpacted alliances is asking for war. This does not include instances where grabbers are employing means of exploiting 1:1 (internal farming, staying in DR, tiny little jetters, etc.), but those are all precursors to war anyway.