According to wiki it does matter the amount you have (but have no clue on recent changes).

"Note that the amount of technology you receive is also dependent upon your own tech levels. A lack of technology on your part will limit your gains from an alliance."

*comes in bearing a torch* :D

*comes in bearing a torch* :D

A) Have no clue .. all I know is clan I am in now is warring this set.

B) Once again I have no clue, nor do I really care :p

I spoke with Llaar at end of last set, who was yes in PDM, and they told me everyone was scattered all over after NA disbanded. Llaar listed several clans members were in, which I only vaguely recall lol. Anyway sounds like you got hooked up for this set.

Good luck to you as well. I plan to not need it for this war set but one never knows and certainly will not pass it up if Luck presents itself.

I have never heard of CLAN WOOD, nor their history. So it must not have been that great.

Game dev's have implemented something new to a game. It involves spending money in order to get. There is a huge outcry from the players how horrible it is and that the game is becoming this huge money pit and no one can play free anymore. However, even though there is this huge outcry, at the same time money is pouring in, more money in last couple days from this new feature than they have collected during the whole year. So obviously the dev's dont do anything or say anything about it, because even some of the ones complaining are the same ones that are spending money.

So I guess you would be transparent about it if you were the game dev. Tell all your players, yea you are all whining but secretly you are all spending money. HELL NO, you do not say anything because you know it will all die down after few days. Why fuel the fire by saying something.

Or you could simply say some players must like it because it is raising lots of revenue. Hell no once again, because than some of the players who are not actually spending money will go to their peers trying to pressure them to not spend. Trying to influence how they are playing the game. Which will cause even more drama than if you said nothing at all and just simply let it die down after couple of days.

So many ways .. but will just list couple of top of my head.

1) Lets say two countries have been sending msg in-game that have gotten out of hand. The issue is raised to the mods. This could be over anything, but for this example lets just say both are accusing each other of cheating. The mods rectify the problem. In no way has this affected any other countries but those two in question.

What would be the point in being transparent in that situation .. the ONLY thing that could possibly do is to cause gossip or drama as no one else but those two directly involved need to know anything about it. There are I am sure exclusions, like the issue of cheating is in regards to specific way. This was not the first, second or even 20th time this occurence has happened. So it might be warranted to say something to keep this issue being repeatedly brought up, but otherwise I see no reason to be transparent about this, especially if that cheating issue is well known to not be possible.

2) A country has found a way to gain land through cheating of some kind. It was not done via a LG, nor has any country attacked the cheating country at any time. This is picked up by mod or admin days later and so they delete the country, ban them w/e.

This once again is not necessary to be transparent about if it did not impact any other countries. Admin may or may not choose to disclose this or reason why that country was deleted. There are pro's and con's either way .. but one of those con's is unnecessary drama.

So you are correct on one hand, if its creating drama, it does have everything to do with what is being done. In the First example, it was drama already (especially if most already know that its not possible), so why pass that drama on to rest of players. As that would just create more drama.

Hmm .. actually no you did not read that wrong. Sorry bad phrasing on my part, I meant (as was main part of my topic I was talking about and can be seen in the sentence just prior) that doing a LG this late in the set is a cheap play.

Transparency can be empowering!

Fixed that for you .. yes often it can, but sometimes it does nothing other than maybe cause drama and/or gossip.

US already does spend it on themselves .. just look at all the idiots that build on water bed (during drought times) and then wonder why their homes got flooded, but hey no worries cause US will bail them out. However they also do it during actual real disasters all the time too where it really is warranted.

Uhm you realize that is actually a good thing. World is being way overpopulated as it is so this would just help fix that lol.

Except keeping that money in-home would be a waste and far less efficient. Where as spending billions in a third world impoverished country actually might help to do something. Throwing money into US economy is NOT going to fix anything (US govt already spends billions and has for very long time. Did not keep US out of recession nor fix all the other countries problems).

Having said that however, just throwing money at something is also not smartest thing either. I do not have problems with US giving aid to other countries, I have problems with exactly how that aid is spent. I do not know specifically about Africa, but far too often it is wasted and very little actually gets to where it is really needed. You have too look at the causes and fix those causes. Like for example place that has high disease, you do not just simply give them vaccinations, you have to fix what is causing the disease. Like for example giving them fresh clean running water and wells, etc which were causing the diseases to begin with.

Actually yea I was kinda. Just being bit sarcastic and tongue in cheek. That is not really what most would consider top feeding .. but I thought it was hilarious all the same.

I agree with most of that actually, especially as you say if there is no hope in benefiting from it so late in a set. However...

When a country has very little defense, they are asking and begging to be hit .. this is after all a war game. I am not talking about tons and tons of defense and never being able to defend, but big huge countries running dangerously low military. It is not a matter of being able to be broken but having significant amounts of military in respect to the size of your country to make it too costly to deter one from attempting to do a LG.

Of course if doing a LG will result in HUGE gains than it would require absurd amounts of defense to deter someone. But than that is what clan members are for and someone else should be doing the retal.

Also I should add that my country is not one that would normally consider doing LG's in the last week or two of the set. My country has not done one single LG this set, nor do I plan too THIS set as I consider that cheap thing to do. All the same IF I were to see really huge country with only like say 100k troops, I would definitely be tempted too, prolly wouldnt still but I might.

I will tell you what is classless, that is all these 125% L:L retals policies. What kinda challenge is in that? I could understand if this retal policy was for like triple taps or even 5 LG's, but this is not the case.

Topfeeding LMAO .. awwww are the poor lil David's picking on the big innocent Goliaths. Pfft bunch of whinging low military countries.

So SoL is topfeeding .. awesome :D

I would rather watch my country starve than pay absurd greedy prices. Sure I guess some might pay, but would guess majority of the bushels will waste away and overall you will get millions of cash less.

I applied as well, seems someone is dragging me back into this game for some reason. Although most prolly dont know me here :p

+3

bonus

Uhm I would say welcome .. but sorry I dont consider 1 tag country an alliance. Nor do I see why tag up for sake of suiciders.

But hey if its way you want to play and have fun. *shrugs*

uh oh, I hardly ever bother to read the news (never liked news of any sort). However its good thing I always make sure I am producing plenty of military before going OOP

I am bit confused. New set yet SoF declares war for something that happened last set? Even worse, it sounds like they waited almost til the end of set to war for something that happened at beginning of last set. Not near the end which would kinda make sense for carrying over baggage from one set to the next. But even still why wait til EoS to finally decide to war. None of this makes sense to me at all.

I am in Tournament :P

*sighs* ok if you really must know, I is a noob so that would mean c

The real question for team server should be which team (singular) vs the server, who wins?

Not which multi tag clan/alliance teams (plural).

Nor do I even think the admins should fix this, unless they idk, make it five random countries. However I am not so sure I would like this or not.

TSO is playing w/in the realm of what is allowed. This is fine imho, but to brag about it saying we are the best team is just nuts. Cause you are not just 'a' team. Or even just to brag that you are the best vs rest of the server, because you are defeating the whole purpose of a team.

Which country are you? I want to hit you while you got all that cash on hand :D

Whether this is the real reason, or whether the outcome would have been different or not is really irregardless. Any clan can come up with lame reasons after. All any other clans can see is that a country had been hit by internal clan country and than less than 24 hours later did an LG. Now even though I personally would tend to believe your stated reason of what happened .. to avoid such issues like this you simple just
do
not
do it.

Actually this is wrong, nor are you the only KSF to have said this incorrectly. You really should review your posted retal policy.

As per NA recent changed retal policy posted here: http://forums.earthempires.com/...icy-on-reverse-2-stepping NA will mirror the attacker retal policy. In this case KSF posted retal policy states:

LANDGRABS IN LAST 3 WEEKS OF SET

All Landgrabs made in the last 3 weeks of the set will be retalled 150%
L:L (before ghost acres) due to disruption of stock time and/or loss of stock. If larger stocks are lost due to a grab within this timeframe, we reserve the right to increase this policy as we see fit.

Now since I am new to this community standard policies and terms .. not entirely sure what 150% means but I read that as 1 LG gets 1.5 retals ... or maybe 150% of total land. If the first then yes second retal was warranted. If not then first hit got back 150% so should have stopped there. However....

Second part then states "we reserve right to increase this policy as we see fit" So technically, Llaar increased this to 2:1 as they seen fit for this non-standard issue.

I definitely agree though that since this was an unusual circumstance that this should have been discussed between the FA PRIOR to the retals, especially to explain why and how retals were going to be different as the "per we see fit".

If you are really sincere about this, then you should be also making an announcement server wide in-game. Not everyone who plays reads the forums, nor reads them all the time.

Well its always still possible, as anyone can simply re-start. But yea I am sure they will deter most.

Sure it does, it makes perfect sense. Any excuse is good enough for them to have their fun, even a half baked up one. To them warring and killing is fun, they are simply having fun. Sadly from their perspective its a fine line. Killing everyone leaves no one left, but not killing means not having their fun. One I will leave for them to figure out some middle ground.

Because for me personally, I sort of accomplished my goal. I would have started in primary server but thought it was stupid to start so near EoS. So decided to start in team to familiarize myself on exactly how this game runs (compared to one I am used too). I got myself broke in and learned few things before my country died. Had little bit of fun and now time to move onto another server. Dont see myself coming back to team server, but who knows its possible and I might one day when and if I have an actual team or I get extremely bored.

If I (or anyone) has barely any defense. Then uhm no I dont and I would deserve it. That is just one of the risks you take on running low defense. I agree if that is the case you should not go crying. Now if its someone doing ror, than yea maybe, but not because you are running with barely any defense, but because of the ror. To me there is never an excuse to do ror.

You cant retal a retal. THIS might be the reason that dumb wars start. Yea I might also agree with your reason too, to a point. If you attack, you should be expecting some form of retaliation. Same if you get attacked, especially if you are netting sucky running a major risk by running a low defense but even still, you should be able to take some form of retaliation. But retals on retals .. no.

You dont have to bring size into your comment .. we are talking about team server which consists of 5 member teams. Since TSO is much more than 5 members .. its irrelevant about skill of all those members. You first have to do away with all those members beyond the five. Than and only than can you take into account their skill AND more importantly how they work as a team.

I dont really care how it has always been and what so called teams have always dominated .. cause if they were anything like TSO, they werent a team, but a whole entire clan.

But this is my point .. you can NOT make this statement since it is not a team. Anyone can get the biggest group together and dominate a server. Shear size of numbers can compensate for a lot. If you REALLY want respect and to prove your worth and make that statement believable, as a TEAM, then play it like a team with ONLY the five members. Otherwise this is no different than an alliance server.

Retal'ing with all jets is kinda like saying taking an LG and than buying up tons of turrets to try and prevent a retal.

Except there is one big difference....
The first is trying to defend your country and get your land back, opposed to latter one being an offensive country.

So to me if anything, retal with all jets is much more acceptable. Not saying latter one isnt, just that retal'ing with all jets is even more acceptable.

But that is and was a valid point. I DONT have a team and so I really should not be in that server anyway. Wasnt really given a chance to watch and time to decide on picking a team either. But mehh I wont be back .. unless maybe I get to know community little better and go in starting with a team.

Once again .. sure guess TSO, which sounds like the biggest group and much more than an actual 5 member team, prolly could. Pure numbers accounts for a lot, so saying they are the some of the best means nothing. That means nothing about how a team can work together. They are dominating by shear size.

Maybe it hasnt been extremely fun .. because hmmm I dont know .. perhaps because it is not a team but a whole big clan. Just a thought :P

good point and one I can accept

Individual members of team TSO, I can respect, but as a so called team TSO .. pfft.

I realize I am new to this community so can not state a really accurate opinion.

But sorry, so far from what I have seen, TSO could never win against a real team. A five member team (and only those five members with no help from any other country/team) of TSO against any other five member team. So far from what I have seen, TSO is nothing but a cowardly yet largest group (sorry I cant even call them a team) playing in team server with no balls that farms and picks only on unorganized teams and untagged countries. They dont have the balls to take on real teams.

This whole debate is pointless. I can see and agree about TSO taking out xMx. xMx is an unorganized mob of players that banded together to try and keep from being farmed and specifically put together to combat those sex (guessing really TSO) teams. However they went about it all the wrong way and even worse some of those xMx deserved what they got. Which is why I stayed well clear of xMx, even though I could emphasize with some of countries that did decide to join.

IF it was only against that xMx then this debate would have a point .. but its not. I said when I first started playing team server that this was not an actual team server and asked about it in chat. It is no different really than alliance/clan server.

The only way I can see to do team server and keep it different would be to have designated 'x' amount of countries but have them placed randomly in teams. Any other way is going to result in way it is now. Multi teams developing and working together like one big clan/alliance in a so called team server.

It is kind of hard to contact someone in 30 minutes .. sorry but I dont nor cant sit checking a game 24/7.

There was no war declared against my country, nor any hostile actions my country did upon those teams that did a KR. They simply killed an untagged country for sport in their cowardly way. It is no challenge for multiple teams to take out untagged countries.

So not sure how one is supposed to contact TSO without any warning or indication. TBH I am not surprised it happened and was expecting it. But only because I seen them do KR on couple other untagged countries similiar to mine in last couple of days. So instead of actually playing last day, I just beefed up as much population and military as I could to waste as many turns as possible.

Anyway you can keep your announcement. This was the first set I have ever played in this game and it will be my last in team server. So I will not be needing your help.

me likes this policy

*Loves surprises*

Think I might try, need to re-learn the basics and figure C is good place :D

I agree .. to a point IF country has not been hit in last 24 hrs then farming 8 - 10 hits is fine upon untagged in an alliance server. However, there is fine balance between playing to have fun and playing while trying to not run people away in droves either.

It was also posted in this thread about farming for 20 acres per hit. THIS for example to me is just stupid and will do nothing but drive people away no matter what server. After accounting for any loses and getting 10 acres per turn (20 acres/2 turns) you might as well be exploring for 7 acres per turn and not causing any political negative dissension. Its different if that country did something to deserve it of course.