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Aug 11th 2013, 22:40:09

Originally posted by Duna:

At least im not the only one who is seeing OOP FS:)

I'd heard rumblings of an oop FS considerably before I announced this.

The problem isn't that this change or that favours an early FS, it's that *everybody* still wants the FS; until we can balance it so the FS is, on average, even with the CS, then people will push for the FS; how to do that, is another question =/ The ideas mentioned above are a good start, but whether or not they would be effective i don't kno

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tellarion

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Aug 12th 2013, 3:10:09

FS should still be superior, but maybe not quite as much. Since getting the FS requires a lot of political maneuvering and guesswork/intel, it should be rewarded when pulled off.

locket

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Aug 12th 2013, 3:22:42

If FS was worse than CS then youd have some retarded war where theyd try to convince the other side to use their turns first and no one would fight.

Also can you stick this warstats instead of the other one?

archaic

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Aug 12th 2013, 15:38:24

If you nerf the FS too much it will take a lot of the strategy out of the game and turn it into a pure numbers contest. I hate oop FS, but sometimes the waiting game to see if your 14 day strat will trump their day 12 FS plans is the best part of the war.

In the last 2 year's, being in Sof or Laf has been a lot more critical part if winning than having the FS.

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davidoss

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Aug 12th 2013, 16:11:57

I hope the alliances involved in this realise what SoF stands for. Good luck to both sides.

pele

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Aug 12th 2013, 17:34:12

gl hf

Requiem

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Aug 12th 2013, 17:43:28

With the restart changes a FS this early doesnt help that much. If sof grows their economy then hits while the other side is blowing turns hitting and not growing they sre in trouble long term.

My 2 cents.

Pride

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Aug 12th 2013, 18:25:50

Originally posted by davidoss:

I hope the alliances involved in this realise what SoF stands for. Good luck to both sides.

What does this even mean? Lol

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locket

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Aug 12th 2013, 19:51:05

Sticky this fluff!

Junky

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Aug 12th 2013, 20:14:57

Obviously... People who say SoL are the bad guys obviously don't realize what our clan name stands for..

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SolidSnake

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Aug 12th 2013, 20:35:37

Originally posted by Junky:

Obviously... People who say SoL are the bad guys obviously don't realize what our clan name stands for..

Sexy oriental ladies?

Syko_Killa

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Aug 12th 2013, 21:01:05

short on liberty

Do as I say, not as I do.

Colonel Chaos

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Aug 12th 2013, 22:14:27

Yes solid... sexy oriental ladies cannot be bad guys! Wait...

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oats

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Aug 12th 2013, 22:21:25

Originally posted by Pride:

Originally posted by davidoss:

I hope the alliances involved in this realise what SoF stands for. Good luck to both sides.

What does this even mean? Lol

It means it is Summertime and SoF stands for full body tans.

Nekked

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Aug 13th 2013, 0:02:06

Winter is coming!!!!

Goofy

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Aug 13th 2013, 0:28:24

Originally posted by Nekked:

Winter is coming!!!!

Does that mean no holidays for SoF's leaders?

NorCal SOL

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Aug 14th 2013, 7:00:23

Keep one thing in mind... and I have seen this over and over again through my many years of game playing...

When you have a game people enjoy and then you start changing it because a minority of players start complaining you have begun ruining the game for the majority of players.

I am not sure the above comment is accurate in regards to the FS, but there have been many changes made since I last played the game. Some of those changes might be ruining the game. Things get changed, consequences don't get thought about until well after the change has been made. Then you start trying to fix the fix... which ends up destroying the game itself.

My main concern is that if you do make changes, think about the consequences first before implementing!

neal

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Aug 14th 2013, 22:39:39

hi norcal, what changes are you talking about that ruined the game specifically?

Originally posted by NorCal SOL:

archaic

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Aug 15th 2013, 1:36:34

Well, at this point it looks as if the OOP FS paid off. All that talk of Sof growing while Sol&Co were hitting did not hold much water.

***waits for shoes to drop

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Duna

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Aug 15th 2013, 5:22:14

Well, im not sure, since its 113 vs 74 atm. Too big difference to tell what exactly made it.

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NorCal SOL

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Aug 15th 2013, 5:48:17

neal,

My concern is more about when changes are made, think before doing so.

One change that I see is the restarting a country that is better than a new country but worse than it was when it was killed. I think restarting fresh made things a lot more clear during a war. Now it seems that maiming and preventing a kill is more important than actually killing countries. I may be old school, but geez... its a game. I just want to kill things!
lol

neal

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Aug 15th 2013, 18:33:36

huh ok thanks for replying, i think that change was made so people who get their countries killed won't just give up or whatever I dunno(promote activity), I think the change is not too bad but I do think sometimes the restarted country comes back stronger..... heh like a zombie

any other changes you really don't like?

Originally posted by NorCal SOL:

locket

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Aug 16th 2013, 4:03:42

Having multiple strategies in war should only be a good thing NorCal. There has to be a correct balance to the formula but I think it is a good change. You work hard on your country. Something remaining afterwards is nice and it makes it easier to come from behind.

Duna

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Aug 16th 2013, 18:33:28

updated with RIVAL.

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Xinhuan

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Aug 16th 2013, 19:31:12

Originally posted by NorCal SOL:

its a game. I just want to kill things!
lol

You can still kill things! :P

Atryn

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Aug 18th 2013, 0:42:35

And with LaF?

http://earthgraphs.com/...%2CLaF&warreport=Show

Went from 111 vs. 111 to now being 190 vs. 111.

TNW now 162M to 68M.

Duna

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Aug 18th 2013, 2:19:03

Updated with LaF:)

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marx12

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Aug 18th 2013, 3:40:36

but laf is only hitting evo

NorCal SOL

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Aug 20th 2013, 3:40:23

marx12...

So LaF is only hitting evo.

That is the second most stupid thing I have heard anyone say. 82 to 21. Wow!!!

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Aug 21st 2013, 13:02:05

NorCal: the restart change was actually made based on discussions with a large number of players with the intent of encouraging people to keep playing rather than quitting mid war after being killed the 3rd time. It isn't perfect but actually improved things in most cases. It was rather extensively tested as well ( more so than some of the other changes) because of how much time we had when we did I it:p
We are mostly trying to beer the changes towards weakening the fs a little and discouragingsupernearly wars without saying "no you cannot do that".
Most of the changes haven't really been in response to complaints as opposed to general discussions. When I am not in holiday I generally try to contact multiple alliances privately for their views on changes like the ones this seat on top of discussions n the forums since not everyone posts here.
Some people simply don't like change though.

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Duna

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Aug 21st 2013, 17:28:23

I just wonder, does this reset changes was discussed with someone over crying SoL?

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Atryn

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Aug 22nd 2013, 12:49:35

I guess at this *current moment in time* the version without LaF is more relevant...

So slight country advantage to S/E/M (6%) and much bigger TNW advantage to S/R (30%).

SoF jumped 22M nw in the past few days (from 40M to 62M), over a 50% TNW jump. Did they get aid while LaF was in?

Flamey

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Aug 22nd 2013, 12:55:07

No, it's just easier to grow when you're not being targetted.

Duna

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Aug 22nd 2013, 16:59:06

22M / 83 countries = 265K per country. Kinda easy to get 250K nw in few days.

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Aug 22nd 2013, 19:10:50

Yep, makes sense to me.

It looks like the intervention didn't just "even things up". The combination of taking out Evo AND letting SoF/RIVAL have that "break" to take a 30% NW advantage basically tipped the scales in S/R's favor, rather than just "evening it up".

Still, activity differences on the two sides could swing this again. But right now I'd forecast S/R to win if nothing else changes.

Flamey

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Aug 22nd 2013, 19:20:52

True, also we've walled very well in the last 2 days.

Atryn

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Aug 23rd 2013, 2:03:18

As of now since 2013-08-19 13:00, HPK on one side of 577 and on the other side is 573. You've made ~500 more hits and thus gotten one more kill in that time period.

Activity matters. :) HPC is 63:54 in S/R favor.

I'm too lazy to dig into the specific kills... also likely you've killed bigger targets the past few days.