18 and 69 have been doing harmful spy ops and grabbing me repeatedly while our team is at war. This is a clear rules violation. I have already reported ingame. Delete them already. 20 harmful spy ops and 4 land grabs is beyond excessive while at war. Also to drunksex. Good job. You can grab a team at war already. I guess 7 on 4 is the advantage you need.

Are 18 and 69 tagged or untagged?

If untagged theres nothing the mods will do unless they can prove collusion with a team. If you can prove collusion, there might be some account suspensions.

Also, landgrabbing teams at war is NOT against the rules. But if you like to protect yourself you should try to get so.eone to police for you... maybe eve retroactively if tou want that land back

We have not made more than 2 hits in a 24 hour period. No harmful ops were done. Just typical LG ops. You should have thought about the retals when you grabbed our land when we were at war? Karma.

We at drunksex are masters of netting. Just trying to get a good finish bra.

You mean 7 on 5... dont you? Restarts still count as countries... they usually get most of the kills as a matter of fact.

What spy ops was drunksex performing on your country?

She quit EE.

Demoralizing a country is a harmful op. When I get demo 10x a day during war that is a killer .10 wasted turns each day. They are both tagged and this is clearly a rules violation.

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If they r tagged those spyops warrant deletion

policing is against the rules. tag coordination.

braden - sence the mods aren't policing I would say that there's room to do some ourselves...

tella doesnt need our help ruining the server :(
he does a fine job all on his own :(

Actually, id like a mod ruling on policing.

Its not direct collusion in war a vs b... its just enforcing that people arent bypassing a war dnh by grabbing them. Or else ill just farm a in order to help b... policing eliminates that.

So ya, a mod ruling on policing would be helpful

As for the 10 demos on your country, while those are definitely categorized as harmful spyops, they arent nearly as harmful as people think... especially from a defense standpoint. I dont have the math to back any of this up... but maybe celphi can give us the formulas for how much readiness actually affects the defending country.

Obviously it affects an offending country a great deal... but not the other way around.

We played with this notion earlier this set. Our target had 20% readiness approx and like 2 mil troops. One would logocally conclude that the break should be just over 400k gs raw... but its not. With 2 mil troops at 20% readiness (in my experience) the break is closer to 1.6-1.7 mil. Can anyone quantify that for me?

Demos, especially those weren't malicious. Purely cost saving for us netters. Obviously you can't net like me, so no point in explaining why you need to cut costs. If it were malicious, we would drop land and Demo you to 0 if wasting your turns was our goal.

You started this by DR camping our land in our war. Thus we have every right to police for ourselves and Retal accordingly.

defending i thought least that was calculated for was 70%?

If you don't like it, fluff off.

It is braden. He had better spal then I did so I lost some.

I would try and debate you colo, but trying to reason with a moron is pointless. Do you play express by chance?

Is the debate whether demo is a harmful op or not?

My answer is, barely. It doesnt affect networth in and of itself and BARELY helps to lower breaks. The most harmful thing it does is make the receiver of these ops adjust his strategy when he does his warhits.

You always defend at a minimum of 70% regardless of readiness.

It's costing us turns to recover readiness. The land means nothing @ this point, but the turns are extremely important when at war!

It's going to cost close to 1 bil to build that land., which colo cannot recover by the end of this set. That doesn't even account for the 100mil worth of oil used or jets lost. Even by dropping the land it, it still doesn't even out.

But let's not kid ourselves. Colo isnt grabbing because it's economical. In reality all he's doing is increasing our spal without us having to pay to destroy buildings. Production at this point no longer matters.

But., the demos are affecting our offensive capabilities & to a small degree defensively too. Negative spy ops should be off limits when a clan is at war.

You must admit though... to have a country deleted for demos is pretty flimsy.

I used to referee hockey a lot when i was younger and i learned quickly that if you blow the whistle on ticky tacky stuff you end up pissing the players and fans off... and the game usually gets rougher and chippier after that. So call the big stuff for sure... but not everything is a game ejection if you know what i mean.

Deletion for demos? An overreaction

Of all the negative spy ops., demos are perhaps the easiest to recover from. But we are turn sensitive at this point., and the line has to be drawn as to what's allowable and what's not.

There really isn't an in-between punishment between deletion and nothing being done. The problem is they didn't just demo. And demos are still deemed as harmful spy ops.

I personally think that the first two LGs were excessive., esp since our player didn't even target them directly. But two more LGs (4 total) plus those demos in my opinion warrants deletion. Only because we are at war.

But hey., I've been wrong on the interpretation of the rules before so it's all for the mythical Tella to decide.

The landgrabs are not considered acts of war so they should have zero influence on a case for deletion... unless it is farming... then you have a case.

Since its not farming, then the deletion would be based solely on the "harmful" spy ops.

As to the middle ground between deletion and not deletion, of course theres a middle ground. Its called a "warning."

Warnings work with active mods.

They took almost 50% of his land. That isn't farming?

2015-07-28 02:36:01 Black Knight $17,951,366 28,056 acres T rybka
2015-07-29 15:06:01 Black Knight $14,345,266 16,801 acres T rybka

29 canada rocks 15 9,448 acres $5,662,743 I 599 0 Elders

Is your country right?

You're saying a moderator should send a warning, if a clan demo'd you 20x and LG'd you down to 5k acres while you were at war with a different clan. I would have to disagree on the consequences.

There's a difference between farming, bottomfeeding, midfeeding, and topfeeding. In order to know what farming is, one must know what these other terms mean first.

Here is how the earth community defines these terms as such (and others may correct the finer points for me if i get something wrong):

Topfeeding- This is a dated term because it used to be that if someone landgrabbed from way lower in networth, they would get more land from it. Fairly recently, those equations of changed to favour someone who is much closer in networth (95% or closer to be precise) to get maximum gains. The term may still be used... when in reality it's not generally practised anymore.

Bottomfeeding- Bottom feeding is the art of grabbing a country that is almost 12x smaller than your country so that your risk of being retalled is slim to none. The positive side of bottom feeding is that you will get more land a turn farming them into DR than exploring 19 acres a turn. The down side is that it takes many more attacks, much more money, and military to get the same amount of land if you were to attack a country of similar size.

Farming- (not to be confused with building farms for producing bushels) is simply sending multiple attacks at a country in an effort to steal more of its land. In alliance-based servers, farming is normally simple for the larger alliances, because there are always smaller clans or even individual countries playing alongside the larger, more-established alliances. Although the general minimal number of attacks considered to be farming has been agreed to be four by most alliances, some alliances may consider consider more than two attacks to be farming. In individual-based servers, farming is generally much harder to get away with, usually because there isn't as much help to be received by allies, due to the unavailability of clans.

and finally, for the sake of conclusion:

Midfeeding- Mid-feeding is the art of grabbing a country that is almost the same size as you. The possiblity of you getting retalled is very high. The positive side of mid-feeding is that you will get large amounts of land per hit. The more similar in land and NW the more you will gain per hit. The down side is that it takes a larger military to land grab and the higher risk of being retalled.

^This is what happened to you.

Also, it would take a lot more than 4 grabs to take half my land...

I am the moron? You jumped into our war and are still confused why we aren't being deleted. You should be licking my nut sack in gratitude for not killing you (which we also had every right to do). We discussed it, but we didn't want to take anything away from xbadx and their quality win.

Are you going to challenge me to a 1v1 in express?? Lol who the fluff has been telling all these new guys that express is where people 1v1??

For the last and final time: WDO was a wholly owned subsidiary of Dunksex. YOU entered our world by attacking them. Ask around and find how many people got away with trying to fluff Drunksex. Oh wait you can't, we raped and killed them all.

So Colo you must be gay? Just wondering since you want another dude to lick your nutsack? Is this your official coming out of the closet declaration? I am flattered but I am not gay. So sorry, I cannot fulfill you like that. I have some gay friends though. Maybe we can just be friends.

That was a well thought out post ebert.

LOL! I think i actually snorted reading that...

y'all are doing almost nothing BUT spy ops... so readiness is not relevant for you in this "war" ... I really hope you aren't already angling for a future excuse...

Seriously - you're a smart guy I think - don't keep putting your size 7 in your mouth

Not true.

They CD us right before our KR. We finally had 3 ppl online.

rybka Dallas Cowboys (#12) xBaDx 52B 2479 C
2015-07-28 04:03:14 BR Black Knight (#48) rybka Dallas Cowboys (#12) xBaDx 52B 2550 C
2015-07-28 04:03:11 BR Black Knight (#48) rybka Dallas Cowboys (#12) xBaDx 52B 2623 C
2015-07-28 04:02:12 BR Black Knight (#48) rybka Dallas Cowboys (#12) xBaDx DH
2015-07-28 04:02:07 BR Black Knight (#48) rybka Dallas Cowboys (#12) xBaDx 52B 2699 C
2015-07-28 03:54:03 PS Donny (#18) DrunkSEX Black Knight (#48) rybka 2409A (3437A)
2015-07-28 03:28:54 PS FluidFlatulence (#69) DrunkSEX Black Knight (#48) rybka 3710A (5293A)
2015-07-27 01:12:59 PS Black Knight (#48)

He meant demoralize but yes it occurred right before a planned attack.

im going to ask a question though... and i want you to be honest.

how many troops/jets did you have versus their troops/turrets?

no, wrong, learn.

it's LAND and land only

also, 70% is not hard to recover from. just do 10 SR... boom, you're killing.

see celphi, I do that to everyone :p

@dissident:
They went beyond 70% and 15 attacks is a big deal.

Absolutely should be a deletion. This is not not even vaguely grey. This is a clear cut interference by an outside clan during a war. It's a stupid rule, but its not an ambiguous rule.

Time to go back to law school.

1) 2+ teams are NOT allowed to work together to kill other teams.(This includes joint killruns and sharing break information).

I don't see anything here about harmful ops... just not allowed to kill other teams. SR probably falls under the kill part because it directly removes civs.

The only time harmful ops are discussed in the rules are in regards to provocation:

3c) Provocation is defined as at least 1 grab or harmful spyop. Provocation is limited to the current set. Events from previous sets don't factor in when considering these rules.

soooo... it's a grey area.

P.S. you can blame the mods not listening to the players for all the gray areas

Yes because we don't have a right to protect our assets. Anyone can just willy nilly come into our war take our fluff and leave without any sort of repercussion.

They knew we were gonna gun for them as soon as we took out the trash. The DR camp was straight up a middle finger to us and celphi is pissed because he thought he was being clever. No deletion, as I said they entered our world by joining in and attacking in our war. We absolutely have every right to police for ourselves.

Don't be mad that we are 1 of 2 teams that are actually capable of policing for both tags in war. As soon as we are done winning, it's off to those d-bag players who think they are slick by taking advantage of the war. Instead of sucking mod fluff, why don't you just not be a hoe?

I have said it before and I will say it again. If we want this game to seriously grow, just start advertising how much pussie is on this server.

I see demo ops plus troops/turrets lost x4 to one country then troops/turrets lost x4 to 2 other countries with defense allies thats alot of money lost in total to a tag at war ;)

bump for tella.

i think tella ignores team.

yep... and its a shame because its the best server

promise I'm doing what I can

to become a mod?