Jun 5th 2011, 5:35:19
Ok Detmer, here it is...
Arabian Nightmare (1/7/2011 7:00 AM):
We do land:land on country:country only. If you don't like it, DON'T HIT US. We've been doing it for several resets now, as were you last reset. We don't care what you recognize. You hit us, you follow our retal policy. Full stop.
rattlehead (1/7/2011 8:59 PM):
All fine and dandy, but previously issues between us have gone the other way, you want your retal policy to apply both ways, no dice.
rattlehead (1/7/2011 10:05 PM):
Jesus, you said it for me!
(this one is me copy/pasting from TAN's AT post)rattlehead (1/7/2011 10:05 PM):
only that country can retal land:land, or can pass their retals on to the rest of the clan using clan-wide escalating rules.
we enforce this policy both ways (incoming and outgoing retals). otherwise, it wouldn't make any damn sense.
rattlehead (1/7/2011 10:05 PM):
WTF is that?
Arabian Nightmare (1/8/2011 9:28 AM):
i know, but it just makes more sense. all the people we grab in NA can usually retal their own hits - and that means they are GUARANTEED to get all their land back, + ghost acres. if it's just 1:1 as you want, then there isn't that guarantee. also, it ensures the defending country gets its land back, not someone else in the alliance. BUT we do also allow for the defending country to pass on their retals to other alliances via escalating, so basically, it's the same policy except for the fact that the defender can make multiple attacks to get all his land back. this works both ways, so NA is also entitled to take multiple retals to get all their land back (assuming it is the defender doing it). i know you have a retal policy and you need to enforce it, but i don't understand why you think our retal policy is unjust if it works both ways. i've had to deal with a few of your guys hitting me, and it's worked out fine so far. in fact, because of ghost acres, they usually get off better than i do, because they get more ghost acres for one, massive grab than i get for multiple attacks.
rattlehead (1/8/2011 6:38 PM):
Fail post is fail. You can't say, "When you attack us its our retal policy because you attacked us" and "when we attack you its our policy because our policy won't work otherwise." This is exactly the confrontation we had last set over our country:country policy and you guys told me too bad. Well now I am telling you too bad. That is not how it works.
Arabian Nightmare (1/10/2011 5:04 PM):
our policy allows for the actual alliance to participate. it's the ALLIANCE server. your policy was country:country ONLY. yeah...good luck getting *anyone* to accept that.
rattlehead (1/10/2011 8:43 PM):
First of all, we had no issues with that policy with any alliances not named PDM and iMag. Second, you still can't dictate what we can do to retal you AND what you can do to retal us.
Arabian Nightmare (1/12/2011 4:17 PM):
that's fine. just be aware that we enforce our retal policy both ways. if you get hit, feel free for the defending country to fully take all their land back. if you DON'T want people in PDM taking all their land back via this policy, then don't hit us. it's that simple.
also, if we DO hit you, you can still have it clan-wide, and if you guys match the retal by NW and land, you can often get full land:land back plus more. you just gotta coordinate your retals more.
so what's the big deal?
So, as has been stated, PDM wants to enforce their policy both ways. Done and done.
Arabian Nightmare (1/7/2011 7:00 AM):
We do land:land on country:country only. If you don't like it, DON'T HIT US. We've been doing it for several resets now, as were you last reset. We don't care what you recognize. You hit us, you follow our retal policy. Full stop.
rattlehead (1/7/2011 8:59 PM):
All fine and dandy, but previously issues between us have gone the other way, you want your retal policy to apply both ways, no dice.
rattlehead (1/7/2011 10:05 PM):
Jesus, you said it for me!
(this one is me copy/pasting from TAN's AT post)rattlehead (1/7/2011 10:05 PM):
only that country can retal land:land, or can pass their retals on to the rest of the clan using clan-wide escalating rules.
we enforce this policy both ways (incoming and outgoing retals). otherwise, it wouldn't make any damn sense.
rattlehead (1/7/2011 10:05 PM):
WTF is that?
Arabian Nightmare (1/8/2011 9:28 AM):
i know, but it just makes more sense. all the people we grab in NA can usually retal their own hits - and that means they are GUARANTEED to get all their land back, + ghost acres. if it's just 1:1 as you want, then there isn't that guarantee. also, it ensures the defending country gets its land back, not someone else in the alliance. BUT we do also allow for the defending country to pass on their retals to other alliances via escalating, so basically, it's the same policy except for the fact that the defender can make multiple attacks to get all his land back. this works both ways, so NA is also entitled to take multiple retals to get all their land back (assuming it is the defender doing it). i know you have a retal policy and you need to enforce it, but i don't understand why you think our retal policy is unjust if it works both ways. i've had to deal with a few of your guys hitting me, and it's worked out fine so far. in fact, because of ghost acres, they usually get off better than i do, because they get more ghost acres for one, massive grab than i get for multiple attacks.
rattlehead (1/8/2011 6:38 PM):
Fail post is fail. You can't say, "When you attack us its our retal policy because you attacked us" and "when we attack you its our policy because our policy won't work otherwise." This is exactly the confrontation we had last set over our country:country policy and you guys told me too bad. Well now I am telling you too bad. That is not how it works.
Arabian Nightmare (1/10/2011 5:04 PM):
our policy allows for the actual alliance to participate. it's the ALLIANCE server. your policy was country:country ONLY. yeah...good luck getting *anyone* to accept that.
rattlehead (1/10/2011 8:43 PM):
First of all, we had no issues with that policy with any alliances not named PDM and iMag. Second, you still can't dictate what we can do to retal you AND what you can do to retal us.
Arabian Nightmare (1/12/2011 4:17 PM):
that's fine. just be aware that we enforce our retal policy both ways. if you get hit, feel free for the defending country to fully take all their land back. if you DON'T want people in PDM taking all their land back via this policy, then don't hit us. it's that simple.
also, if we DO hit you, you can still have it clan-wide, and if you guys match the retal by NW and land, you can often get full land:land back plus more. you just gotta coordinate your retals more.
so what's the big deal?
So, as has been stated, PDM wants to enforce their policy both ways. Done and done.
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