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Apr 12th 2024, 15:37:13

Originally posted by Tertius:
I think the argument is that it lowers the barrier of entry to finding a community. Now they are given a group they can ask questions to rather than trying to figure out who might be a good contact, etc. It won't solve all the problems, and players may still go inactive, but it could help.

In your stats for new accounts, do most players start with a particular server? I wonder if they should be pushed a little towards some of the solo servers, though the community is the best way to learn, it's focus isn't always on gameplay that works universally. I think primary is quite nice - with the way GDI works there, along with the expectation that you'll get grabbed.


Right now we encourage them to play on Tournament.

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Apr 12th 2024, 15:35:21

Originally posted by Drow:
Originally posted by Slagpit:
I got rid of the UNAP stuff because I don't care that much about it, but I don't plan on budging on the easier recruitment. Players create new accounts every day on this site but most don't stick around for very long. I am hoping that automatically throwing them into friendly clans improves our conversion rate.


Forgive me, but I don't see how not needing the password to join a clan encourages players to play?
The whole point of the tag/pass is that players then go and get involved in the community of the clan they choose to join.

Perhaps have a link on the login page, or in the clans window, with wayhs to join a clan,a nd how to get in contact with a clan to join etc?


We already have something like this but no one is using it: "There are currently no clans recruiting on this server.
Try checking back later or posting on the forums."

Here's the intended workflow from my perspective:

1) A few friendly clans open up their tags up to anyone.
2) New players are automatically placed into those clans.
3) The clan admin sees the new country and sends them a welcome message urging them to join the clan's discord, irc, or website. (I'd personally recommend against irc for this)
4) Some percentage of new members follow up on the message and join the discord or clan site.
5) Some percentage of those members learn the game from the clan and keep playing it.

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Apr 12th 2024, 15:23:00

Originally posted by Steeps:
If it's an issue because you're trying to reduce the risk of suiciders then limit the viewing to untagged countries during the set, all countries after the set. Personally I think suiciding is part of the game and it's a risk you take with clan reputation and farming untaggeds but if the aim of these changes is to protect the player base then I'm open to see these sorts of suggestions.


It's to partially close an existing gap. Currently, after a round ends you can view the owners of any country in the top 100, any country in a clan, and any country where the owner allows country statuses to be viewed. After this change it will be possible to see the owner of dead untagged countries as well.

Someone shouldn't be able to anonymously suicide SOL in one round and then join SOL the next without SOL being aware of their previous actions.

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Apr 12th 2024, 14:41:41

Originally posted by UgolinoII:
In the original subject an easy change might be reduction in bonus costs/increase in efficacy.
I suspect more regular bonus / more point at a time is out due to reliance on external sites voting for non plebium members?


Express already has completely custom costs for bonus points. The problem is that there's so much variance in when players are awarded bonus points along with how many turns can be saved. I don't remember how bonus point allocation works exactly, but I think that after the first 67 hours one player could have 40 bonus points but another player could only have 24 bonus points.

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Apr 12th 2024, 14:12:50

I changed it so it's only possible to view the owner of dead countries after the round has concluded.

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Apr 11th 2024, 23:52:20

Opinions on this kind of change?

1) The restart bonus is only available once per country.
2) The restart bonus is only available for countries that have been in the same tag for the past 72 hours.

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Apr 11th 2024, 23:38:08

Closing this in favor of the other thread. We want to fix this but haven't been able to yet due to operational reasons.

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Apr 11th 2024, 23:37:26

Thank you, I used LittleItaly's suggestion. I changed everything on Celphi's list except for Manage because the zeroes are meaningful as a percentage and most players don't change those options frequently. I also changed a few pages on the FFA control panel.

Did I miss anywhere?

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Apr 11th 2024, 21:47:15

Originally posted by Josey Wales:
Originally posted by Shweezy:
Do it SF!

Or I will


You’re next in line Skeez. Which means it will probably be you cuz we all know The Spider Knuckle Monk is gonna high tail it up the nearest tree.


Side note to all you Savages:

It would be pretty cool to have a Gladiator server where all of our Clans could put forth their best fighters.

1 to 1
2 to 2
3 to 3

Or something like that.



Honorable Slagpit,

Can’t you twist up some code?


What you're asking for is planned but it would be an extremely fast-paced war: https://www.earthempires.com/...ervers-52503?t=1712810807

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Apr 11th 2024, 19:00:19

This would be easy to change in the standard UI, but it's been like that for a long time. Just to ask: does anyone have a reason why keeping the 0s would be helpful?

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Apr 11th 2024, 14:37:57

Fair enough, changed it to allow for that.

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Apr 11th 2024, 14:11:13

Originally posted by Steeps:
Not a fan of the dead country live profile link. In active wars this will allow the other side to actively track who the owners are of the restart because the restart lists the previous country, then that previous country will have the link to the profile.


How would this information change the way that war is conducted?

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Apr 11th 2024, 14:10:49

Originally posted by Celphi:
Perhaps the trick here is to check the variable of how old the country is and if it’s < 1 day old then allow them to drop land.

Then you get pros of both situations and shouldn’t be too hard to add that condition programmatically.


The idea here is to allow recent restarts to drop land?

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Apr 11th 2024, 4:46:47

Originally posted by Leto:
We can try it, I like the idea of a raffle of all the warring players with team captains like a lotto where they pick their teams, one at a time.


Unfortunately that's really hard to do. There's no way to force team captains to be active at the right time to make decisions. There is an unpublished idea to allow for team-based combat but I can't figure out what the warrers want.

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Apr 11th 2024, 3:12:23

These were all internal changes and there shouldn't be any changes yet to the end user experience. If possible, please keep an eye out for any odd behavior related to attacking, spy ops, expenses, or protection.

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Apr 11th 2024, 2:02:41

I got rid of the UNAP stuff because I don't care that much about it, but I don't plan on budging on the easier recruitment. Players create new accounts every day on this site but most don't stick around for very long. I am hoping that automatically throwing them into friendly clans improves our conversion rate.

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Apr 10th 2024, 22:39:41

The alliance server is currently dying. Part of the issue is there is often a negative incentive for alliance leaders to recruit more members into their clans. That's the worst possible situation for player count. What is the alternative that will increase player count more than what is proposed here?

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Apr 10th 2024, 15:34:14

Originally posted by SirJouster:
Comment: This seems very problematic to me. Gives clan admin way too much power over the individual players countries. There are disagreements with players and their alliance leadership all the time, allowing them to restrict your actions and not even having the option to leave due to rule 2 in tagging is a definite NO GO. THIS WILL KILL THE SERVER


I see that you're listed as an FA for an clan. Let's consider the following scenarios:

1) A player in your clan is unhappy with a decision that you've made and suicides on all of the leadership, including your country.
2) A player in your clan is bored and deliberately starts a war with a bigger tag. Your clan gets tag killed as a result.
3) A player has a grudge from 15 years ago against M4D. They pretend to be a new player and infiltrate your clan. They suicide on another tag and now you have to pay billions in reps.

As an alliance leader, can you explain to me why those are good things?

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Apr 10th 2024, 15:19:45

How often are there ongoing wars in the final 25% of the round where the victor isn't already decided?

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Apr 10th 2024, 13:37:27

I don't see any confessions of cheating in this thread. You should send a private message to a moderator if you legitimately believe that a player is cheating.

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Apr 10th 2024, 4:38:27

Change set #23 primarily makes a netgaining balance change on clan-based servers. These changes will be released on the standard roll out schedule:

* On clan-based servers only, countries cannot drop land during the final 25% of the round. Recent restarts will be excluded from this limitation.
* For all servers, NPC countries will be identified in yellow in the ingame search results and on the score pages.
* The "Market Spy" spy operation will reveal information on the target's standing orders.
* The "Allow other players to see the status of your past countries" user preference will be overridden for dead countries. All players can view the ending status of all dead countries after the round has concluded.

"Standard roll out schedule" means that changes will be applied to servers as they reset. For this change set, the changes will first go live on the next round of each server that begins after April 14th, 2024.

Thank you for playing Earth Empires. Questions, constructive criticism, and feedback made in good faith are welcome.

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Apr 10th 2024, 0:35:12

I changed the restart bonus part. That acceptable?

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Apr 10th 2024, 0:05:04

Originally posted by Sov:
The removal of restart bonuses will basically make wars less competitive. Any restart will take significantly longer to be able to effectively re-enter a fight and war activity will die off far quicker.

Wars between small tags have far different dynamics than wars between 50-100 member tags.


The reasoning behind getting rid of the restart bonus is that we would be implementing the "sleep hours" concept mentioned elsewhere and there would be fewer surprise FSes, so it's easier to keep your country alive. As far as I understood the original intention of the restart bonus, it was to make people feel less bad that their country was suddenly killed. Is it truly necessary to keep even with the changed rules? I'm open to feedback on this subject. It's very hard for me to tell what's going on, especially because there apparently weren't any real wars this round.

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Apr 9th 2024, 16:50:49

Theocracy is a good government to finish as on Express because players can log out for 20% of the reset's length without having any turns go into storage. They typically accumulate a large private market during the log out period and switch to theocracy upon logging in for the reduction in private market military costs. For example, this winning country finished with a large number of troops and tanks: https://www.earthempires.com/express/741/ranks/60

It is likely that those were purchased from the private market.

It is possible for players to win Express as other governments. Here's an example: https://www.earthempires.com/express/731/ranks

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Apr 9th 2024, 16:35:15

I don't think that's true across the board? Here's a three member tag that got a top ten finish last set: https://www.earthempires.com/alliance/85/clans/OMEGA

I don't know your particular circumstances in detail. It sounds like you have a small group of players who made enemies out of most of the server and don't have any allies. It's the worst possible situation to be in from a diplomatic point of view. I am comfortable with those clans having a difficult time.

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Apr 9th 2024, 16:03:42

Blackhole, this isn't intended to solve all of the gameplay problems on the Alliance Server. It's intended to be a compromise. I'm generally hoping for a grudging acceptance from players.

The Express server used to be along the lines of what you're describing. I created a country there as a test and got randomly ABed by four different countries. Some players enjoyed that kind of chaos but a lot of them didn't.

Have you tried playing on the FFA server?

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Apr 9th 2024, 14:55:14

That's a cool idea and I'd like to do something similar one day, but there's too much other work to be done first.

Maybe a few warring clan leaders can poll their members for their opinions?

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Apr 9th 2024, 14:49:33

Originally posted by BlackHole:
I don't think it's good for the game that you can just join the biggest alliance, and get naps with everyone, and because of that, you are completely invulnerable to ever getting attacked.


Clans already sign UNAPs with each other. There are 18 tags in the current round. I think that you're underestimating the difficulty of signing 17 UNAPs with other clans. I expect that some tag admins will refuse to sign.

Originally posted by BlackHole:
it'd be an accomplishment to get 300mil NW because everyone is getting attacked at all times, and you did the best at growing your economy, limiting how much you got attacked, and dealing with suiciders.

Isn't that like, literally, what EE was built to be?


No, the game was not built to be that way.

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Apr 9th 2024, 14:41:46

Originally posted by BlackHole:
Why isn't it incumbent upon the clans to deal with suiciders if they don't want to get suicided? Terrorism is a part of politics, in real life, and in this game.

I don't think it should be removed.


We have 15 years of data on this subject. How can a clan engage in diplomacy with suiciders if they can't identify them ahead of time, the suiciders don't respond to messages, and the suiciders have nothing to lose?

I also don't see where suiciding was removed? No one else is saying that. Another player's conclusion was "Halfway protection from suicides."

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Apr 9th 2024, 14:31:02

Sounds like I need to create better incentives for clans to recruit members and to make it easier to integrate new players into existing clans?

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Apr 9th 2024, 14:23:17

Originally posted by BlackHole:
Josey Wales and Cat doing what they are doing this set. That's very very good for the game. And your changes make their playstyle impossible.


Why is it impossible for them to recruit other members to their cause, engage in diplomacy with other clans, or to create some other kind of scheme that allows for them to accomplish their goals?

If there are some players who just want to fight without worrying about politics I recommend participating in the upcoming Single Combat server. That server will automatically create 1v1 fights for you and you can show everyone how good you are at warring.

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Apr 9th 2024, 2:52:36

Thank you for reporting this. The issue should be fixed now.

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Apr 9th 2024, 1:09:22

Suicidal, why assume bad faith? How is that going to help anyone? No, I did not conceive of these ideas ahead of time. They were formed after carefully reading all of the feedback in the other thread. Nothing written here is in stone. You are more than welcome to make a suggestion as to what changes are needed.

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Apr 8th 2024, 23:33:17

Assuming that this gets implemented on alliance, would you want the same changes on FFA? https://www.earthempires.com/...an-gdi-52564?t=1712618070

Would definitely be more annoying to manage with 16 countries per player.

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Apr 8th 2024, 22:49:43

Originally posted by BlackHole:
Two things, Slag.

1. Is the clan admin marked somehow, so that people know that's who you have to spy to get that clan diplomacy detail?

2. Why is everyone against suiciders/terrorists/lone wolf surprise attacks? It's used as a derogatory word, and I honestly don't understand it. I kind of feel like it's a valuable part of the game/experience.


1) The clan admin is not marked.

2) You're asking why someone doesn't want their country to be attacked by terrorists? Doesn't that question essentially answer itself? It isn't fun to be on the receiving end of the suicide and the only way to truly counter it is by proactively killing anyone who might be a threat.