I wouldn't say ironic. Perhaps, ass-backwards.

Because the Alliance server has been screwy for a while. Ignoring what they did wrong and putting the same policies in place here is, at the very least, "unwise".

As Popcom pointed out, I don't like the use of land to determine "topfeeds" for the most part, and the game limits you networth-wise. So many people sit on tons of land undefended or underdefended and grow further and further out of range and into the top ranks by not paying the same expenses that I do on my better protected countries.
When I said I would consider topfeeds I guess I really meant mostly jetter grabs. If you have a well defended country (relative of course) and I stock a crap-ton of jets to break you, that's likely me being an asshole as there are much better targets available for me for most of the set.
Its a personal preference for me: most things that limit the grabbing in this game I tend to dislike. Not to mention the argument of the have's and have-nots when it comes to acre difference.

Yeah...I wouldn't be down with that for a couple of reasons.

I think the bigger issue in FFA is noticing the misuse of those policies in Alliance. All too often clans there hide behind this to protect some sacred right they think they have to their land. I think the original notion of it was quickly clouded. If there was a policy that defined a topfeed in a way that would only acknowledge those instances where it was clearly being done in malice, rather than a gain for resources, I would certainly at least consider it. Alliance has a whole mess of issues with its politics that I hope to keep out of FFA.

The "it doesn't affect the rest of you" argument is crap. I'll let you guys figure out why.

So... how about that food market?

I wonder what is actually in a bushel of food. Do you think it includes all dietary needs?

Let's say your alliance was just rolling along very early in the round and you had just placed a few average grabs on a particular alliance - nothing to constitute an FA contact or escalating retals - just the usual stuff.

Then about 18-24 hours later before the retal has been taken from the alliance that you hit, but well before the 72hr window is up, you are declared on by another alliance that sends over a pretty serious FS.

Let's assume all alliances mentioned are established on the server for a while and are both of decent size.

What should the alliance do that has retals to be taken?

No, once again you completely miss (purposely or not) what someone is trying to say and you continue to manipulate ideas to better suit your vain argument. What you've been implying indicates that once you get to a certain size you feel you should be untouchable by most and those that can, shouldn't be given a fair retal.

Your warped sense of grabbing in this game is the lesser evil of those that are masturbating their own countries and then sending themselves to DR all round, but its still stupid.

I'd say I wish I had more time to explain things to you but I'm actually pretty happy that I don't. The sooner this thread gets back to discussing the current cost of food the better.

I bet you play solitaire a lot.

I would seriously consider this.

In Alliance many clans end up farming the piss out of their targets after the war has clearly been decided due to a lack of resources. I'd let this one go, man.

Yes, I'm sure they're killing smallies to pad stats or up their individual kill ranking. Alternatively, they could just keep killing both tags until June... so I'm pretty okay with it.

All clans are always welcome to retal as they see fit, as with any portion of gameplay - like DRing yourself while self farming. But you must also be prepared to get whats coming to you if someone doesn't like it.

IMP and FoCuS/ABC have warred at least twice already in EE..maybe three times. Plus, Desperado and BJ aren't even playing - takes a bit of fun out of it for me since I don't dislike Pain and Drippy that much.

I agree with the first part Rockman. I see no real difference. Proponents of the DR will argue that the difference is the impending retal if you GS after making a grab rather than DRing yourself as a deterrent (you aren't actually owed any acres...you just have to find them elsewhere).

And you are right that instances like the one you mentioned regarding all-explore landgrabs happen on this server. However, I can say that I almost always grab larger-land countries around my networth - thats a smart grab in my opinion (depending on military tech of course.) I don't purposely keep myself small to hit those countries. Its not like I scour the scores list, find your countries and wait days and days for you to grow bigger so I can piss you off while grabbing. The fact remains that you will often get better net gains grabbing those similar-networth, high-land countries instead of spending all of your turns exploring those acres at a certain point.

I think the alliance and primary servers tend to rot peoples brain when it comes to landgrabbing. Not all landgrabs are an act of war or a personal attack on you or your clan specifically. Maybe you just have a tasty looking country...

The only time I do it to be a fluff is when I know that a particular alliance uses DR as a deterrent. I will catch a country right at the end of his DR, sitting on a huge chunk of land with nothing but spies. I'll get nice gains, always net because of ghost acres after the retal and get the satisfaction of hitting a player that goes out of his way to abuse the system to keep his acres on no military -> which is rare since my alliance stays in war.

Someone finally said it. Tell the man what he's won, Jonny!

Your argument flops for various reasons, Drinks.

On an unrelated topic, I believe you hit into my war.

Clearly, there are alternatives to self farming like all-explore. But few countries will be successful on all-explore alone and will certainly not compete with those countries that are self farming and are sending themselves into DR every 24 hours. Taking a stance against self-farming opens up the option to actually play the game with some sort of player interaction by grabbing eventually in your growth. Sure, some players may choose to keep exploring for 5 acres a turn, but that won't get you very far.

I continue to applaud alliances like NBK who take a strong stance against self-farming. I will further applaud any alliance that refuses to pact alliances that make the choice to do so.

Certainly I would agree that if you self-farmed but didn't DR yourself to kingdom come, you are the lesser evil - but I still don't like it. Personally I think an alliance that does both should be at the top of the landfarm list. I do not believe that DR was created for the purpose that it is being widely used for today.

All aspects of this issue have been discussed time and time again.

Donny: GS me some more so I lose food and my population doesn't get diabetes. GS will be easier on my costs rather than converting my healthcare program and will save me cash.


/end friendly Donny troll

Don't give us too much credit, Popcom. I really don't think he remembers what he posts so the same spew keeps popping up over and over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WMBhMTVfV0

You're an alliance leader and a player goes out of his way to continue to make pathetic attempts to bring your alliance down. This person continues to point out mild, situational flaws publicly in a vain attempt to bring you some sort of negative publicity. This player also mentions on multiple occasions that your players are much better than the pedigree of your historic alliance and they should find a new home.

Now, what do you think is the likely scenario?

My guess would be this player is riddled with envy of your alliance and would do anything he can (while continuing to embarrass himself in the eyes of the community) to make your fine players and the people of this wonderful game think less of your clan and leadership because he has never produced anything noteworthy in the decade of his gameplay on his own. This player continues to spew his pitiful biased drivel in some sad unprovoked attempt to bring you down any way his peanut, cocaine-fried brain can produce.
What about you?
Or am I being obtuse?



Remember, this is completely hypothetical.

Wasn't it Elle Earth Angel?

Shouldn't you be ABing your own countries for a cheaper conversion?

^ I like this better. Your way still does not aid much more clarification, mdevol. In fact, it almost strengthens the argument of the term "vulture".



Now here's an age-old question: Why do we call the different rounds "resets". Especially saying things such as, "The reset is about to end."

Why do people call it sniping? Wouldn't a more appropriate term be vulturing?

Can we get stats for hour 69? That is the real marker in my opinion.

Who's this peon speaking to me?

I'll turn on icq just for you cupcake =)

I'd tell you but it has tons of porno ads


btw - its http://imp.boxcarhosting.com

We are also using ghq a bit.

NBK - there are a few folks that don't know how to handle retals during war. Be in touch when you can.

And K4F comes outta nowhere for the interception.

smackfail

Actually, just looking for a contact for some ingame op issues. Grab me or KC if you would.

I'll be idling in a few chans this evening. Just find me whenever.

I'm gunna go with killshots last round.

Not yet. I became occupied. I'll find one of you later if KC doesn't first.

I told Makinso our offer was 25billion bottles of beer. That offer was rejected so we need to reopen negotiations ASAP.

Polar bears eat baby seals, not SNOW.

Actually - It looks like you double tapped us this morning.

But mostly I just find you annoying.

Anyone have a good reason why I shouldn't farm this kid a bit and leave his other members alone?

Twain clubs baby seals with other baby seals.

WINNING

Ok... I'm going to yield to NBK and CC on this since they obviously found you first...

but if you continue to do harmful attacks on untags for no good reason then your countries are going to be destroyed. Farming and grabbing is one thing (debatable morally) but unprovoked harmful attacks is nothing but a waste of resources.

So let's be clear about this: Stop it or someone is going to kill your countries.