Its cheaper to buy gems on the AH vs combining them (up to flawless square).

Being able to control your dreams can be difficult, sometimes you think you are in control but you are not.

Pretty good unbiased advice imo.

Who set the precedent of threatening other peoples family to death and burning them alive?

I do not agree about bringing ingame actions, whether or not they are legal or not, to the attention of ones employers. That isnt your right. You are not a lawyer and you are not the one illegally affected by the actions that have taken place.

If the admins feel that charges should be pressed and Hanlong's job was affected, then fine. That makes more sense. If you think you have the right to press charges, then do so. Other wise, give it up.

This all seems very petty.

The purpose of this thread is to dilute the current situation so that attention drawn away from Lafs recent actions. Done poorly might I add.

Somtimes you are ontop, sometimes you are not. Stick it out, and Laf can only create a stronger core of players out of all of this.

May I have some?

Its not like Laf had 90 vs 60 members against SOL, and completely killed them and farmed them none stop for a good portion of the reset or anything!


Pffft.

blah blah blah.

The issue here is the stance Rival may have towards Lafs actions.

The fact that they havent really expressed their thoughts with anyone in terms of what has occured, then all of a sudden AID is being given to Laf doesnt really tell us much. It just leaves us with assumptions that we can make.

I dont freaking care who the hell gets married, as long if they have kids they are smart enough and have enough money to provide for everyone.

I would think in most cases since its harder for two males to get a child that they would work harder to have a nice home for the child.

Anyways, moo.

Crying out "you are only doing this for political gain" is like saying "This situation will not affect Laf what so ever, and everyone will ignore it and all this pain Laf is feeling will go away."

Sorry but thats not going to happen right away. Actions were taken. Consequences will occur.

If consquences didnt occur, that would simply say "Its ok to cheat because no one cares enough." Sorry, but those who were affected directly by what has occured do care. You dont care because you gain everything from what has occured.

Already had it preordered last year, and will have about 48 hours of free time to play it :O minus sleep and eating of course.

I am also going to try the wizard first, I may do a monk second.

Pang lost about 1000 dollars worth of networking equipment because of TC.

It isnt up to SOL who is or who is not allowed to be hosted on GHQ that I am aware of. Contact Dragon though if Laf is really interested in being hosted by GHQ though.

How did that country die?

OOOOooooooooooooooo

Must not read AT.

AT will kill me.

Must not read AT.

AT will kill me.

En4cer85, from our side those wars were not just for fluffs and giggles. As I am sure your Laf leaders would claim for the war in December against SOL and this set, which I am sure that Hanlong fed what ever he wanted to everyone just to get his way.


Besides, I agree I think wars should be for reason and purpose. Like this reset. THe reset I was giving unaps out left and right but were ignored because Laf didnt want anyone to accept pacts from the horrid warring alliance.



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An internal DEBATE? Wow... Thats messed up. I would think being straight with the truth would be the best thing possible.

*blinks* k.

Uh you would be surpised.

I dont want your respect.

This thread is funny.

Your former leader is hurting Laf and your taking out on someone else.


OO wait IM sorry! TC was just pissing off everyone else BUT laf so it was ok what he was doing? Right?

Why do you people post on AT without knowing anything.

Darn, sorry to hear.

I am not playing to play but to interact with other people.

If it wasnt for SOL I would be gone in a second.

I have better games to play.

It isnt cut and dry like "The cheaters were caught and punished, its over with." The implications from what has occured is in-depth and reverberating throughout the community for time to come. This isnt a simple case of cheating once and it only affects the country itself. Information gathering and using that information for several months, basing lafs strategy in gathering allies, in how they set up their countries, how they place themselves in the community, how they make their mission statement, their social interactions, the goals behind what has been occuring etc etc etc.

An alliance was lead and guided to a certain destiny. No it isnt the members of Lafs fault for following along this path the leaders set forth, that doesnt mean that they didnt follow along though.

Should all of Laf suffer for the leaders mistakes?
If you say no, then should any alliance be judged on what their leaders do? Isnt an alliance paths based on how they were lead ALL BASED on what the leaders have done?

People have been smacking SOL in the face for several months, blamming EVERYTHING they are doing to SOL based on Maki.

What the hell is it? Is it the leaders fault or isnt it?

I am starting to get the feeling that people are changing their stories just on what they feel will benifit them.

Gawd AT is poison to read. I am going to try to stick to what people say to me in messages one on one.

YOUR ALL ACIDIC!

Wow this thread is full of special.

cheers.

Whether you like it or not advertisements pay for A LOT of entertainment.

Nothing is for free.

Greed. What all humans have apart of them, differing from person to person.

Loose rules, the enviroment.

Cheating, the action taken.

Its called self control and muturity. Every day we will be faced with temptations, differing from one another. It is up to use to fight those temptations.

If we are unable too and we give into the temptations, it isnt the enviroments fault. It isnt the fact that we are human and its in our nature.
Its our own fault for taking that action.

Uh.

No.

O your in LCN?

Ill remember that.

mmm...

If anyone takes anything seriously that is said on these random forums I want to smack you in the face right now.

If these offers of ANYTHING were real they would at least be done over skype or the phone with real proposals.

Gawds

SOL went to Laf a few times and asked for a CF before the 'cheating' events occured (since we were farm food), being denied each time.

After this the 'cheating' events spilled out on the forum, I went to Son Goku with two messages. First message was asking for a CF with feelings about the current events, the second message I sent was stating that I needed to discuess the situation with SOL heads and see how we will proceed and if we would sign a CF or not.

Son Goku's replied with a CeaseFire offering in light of current events both on ICQ and his post on the forums. SOL could not accept the CF offer as it was our choice to deny Laf a pact for three resets (starting next reset, aka see our offical response post).

Even though SOL did not accept the CF offering, we do recognize that the gesture occured.

this thread confuses me

lol...

Locket, stop grasping at straws. The turth hurts, accept it, move on, and grow from this experience. That is all that is asked. No one blames you for what has happened, no one hates you from what has happened. Everyone has been hurt on different levels. Denying the truth of these events (that has been officially confirmed) is only going to just prelong the pain.

*comforts Locket*

This is my personal opinion, not of SOLs.

Every person has a different position in this situation. I think Imaginary Numbers choice is right for them.

Those who were directly affected for last several months by these occurances will have a huge trouble understanding some stances that alliances are taking. For those directly affected negatively by these event (in terms of Laf as an alliance as a whole acting out towards other alliances), our position will differ. Our view will not be any less wrong though then Images position or any other position as long as they understand the hurt that Laf has caused as an alliance recently, even if they knew what was happening or not. Facts are facts.

I understand that a lot of members of Laf are hurting by this, and to have every single alliance gang up on Laf is an unfair stance to demand. I do completely and utterly expect all alliances to realize that Laf has been misguided recently by dishonorable means, and so far that is what I am seeing.

But as some have already said, this is a chance for laf to come from this fire that has been created and grow a new path for themselves, and hopefully become a better alliance because of it.

I still 100% agree with SOLs offical responce, but that doesnt mean I wont feel for the members of Laf who were harmed by these events.

Good Luck Laf, diaf. <3

I thought I explained all of this already, do I have too again?

Thank you.

I am still confused why you are not perma banned.
If there was anything I am not happy with the admins right now, its that alone.

Kaloop which alliance do you come from?

Good post BattleKJ.