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Sep 25th 2020, 0:09:52

The wording was changed, and thats why bru and some others have got the impression its a new attacking restriction. But it is not. It is the same old attacking restriction(end-game humanitarians) with a new ingame text explaining why you can't hit.

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Sep 24th 2020, 11:29:41

Humanitarian range has been shrinking on the last day of the reset since April 2013 and no changes has been made to that formula or the mechanic since then.

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Sep 23rd 2020, 15:07:17

we should just have votes to delete people. When 2/3 agree you you get purpled. :P

Easier for mods too. :)

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Sep 23rd 2020, 0:49:23

absolutely fantastic ratski!

You are almost a techer! And you hit mostly bots!

I tried to help you with your strategy years ago and failed miserably. If this would have been the result back then I would have been very proud!

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Sep 21st 2020, 12:09:26

Lol labs and farms are too close. thats why I don't play farmer. :P

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Sep 19th 2020, 0:32:56

Who won?

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Sep 18th 2020, 19:01:28

Yes, they consume different amounts of food.

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Sep 18th 2020, 13:28:29

I need a def ally if anyone has a slot open. PM me.

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Sep 18th 2020, 12:58:53

The bots buy quite regularily, it's the lack of human techers playing at some point of the set that dictates if techs are bought out(or not).

But yes, a demo can buy tech to sell it higher. This is not a huge thing and can easily backfire, but some sets it can add a few million $nw if you do it right and/or are lucky.

Most of the NW you make is the direct result of the turns you spend teching and the money you make selling that tech. The other stuff are fringe stuff that you should not focus on but can add a little more potential after you have perfected the important stuff. Getting to your stocking acreage fast, watching the market to understand what prices to sell at and knowing when to destock and how; these are all difficult things so much that no one perfects them consistently, therefore it's something you should keep the focus on at all times in your EE career, everything beyond this is periferal and potentially fleeting. This may not be enough to get a NW record but you certainly won't get close without it.

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Sep 17th 2020, 19:14:53

Originally posted by NitelL:
Gerdler:

One of the things not accounted for there is the actual 'day' of the set. So while you get a lot of tech points on say 18k acres (and you mentioned you'd be driving supply up and hence, lower prices), you're probably getting there on Friday/Saturday instead of Thursday, which means you miss out on the much higher prices on Thursday. Selling 1 tech point at 5k is equivalent to selling 2 tech points at 2.5k, so there's definitely that. Or in Hessman's case, $8888. lol

I did account for that:
Originally posted by Gerdler:

With regards to stocking acreage yes it is true that tech prices drop and its something you gotta account for. But if that were not the case the target would be cumulative tech points teched. That usually maxes out at like 25k acres. Acres also help your pm replenish, so they have a value on their own.

and here:
Originally posted by Gerdler:

Tech prices decline. so that brings the optimal down.


Its a pareto optimum we are trying to find. My point is that you are losing out on 2-2.5m tech points with your method and you are forced to jump sooner because of it. I do take falling prices into account I just dont take only that into account.

If you read my post you will see that I have given several reasons to go above optimum and another couple reasons to go below optimal acreage for max cumulative tech points. It's your choice which reasons should weigh the most and how much they should do. But it seems like Ebert and I have put much higher weight on cumulative tech than you have, and we have higher NWs.
"Get fat and win" is a common saying in LaF. It's usually true. The few hundred turns you are teching 4k tpt and selling at $4k are all nice but you pay for it for 600-800 turns that you are teching 4k while Ebert and I are teching 6.5-8k which makes up for the early prices you got and then some.

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Sep 17th 2020, 13:40:19

Originally posted by MILORD:
You can buy all the food from farmers and set any price, no more expensive than a private market ...
But this project requires the total capital of several players.

If you have 1B cash as a demo you can buy all the food at 36 and below for free and the food at 37 you can buy a billion of.

The market is super thin for a demo until about $45-55, no matter the amounts sold below that.

When I stock with a 20-25k acre demo techer I generally have to temper my purchases of food so as not to temporarily buy out hte food market. The bots oversupply it but if I buy it up to 55 or something I will be unable to buy cheaply for many hours and it will probably ruin my reset.

Anyway I never seen a point with recycling past 35. As a demo techer Ive always wanted the food market as low as possible so I could stock more. Maybe a breif buyout at some stage. But express has such short market times its really only luck that dictates how well you do.

I really dislike the insecurity of theo techer because there isnt always a 'sentient' demo out there to recycle my $35 food. It's just such an annoying feeling so I always played demo or even tyranny to get it sold guaranteed at decent prices.
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Originally posted by NitelL:
That's interesting. Do you use turns to the end? (~1800ish)

I've found tech prices generally drop later on with the supply of tech (not last 2 sets, but the couple prior), so I start stocking earlier around turn 500-700 (usually end up 11-14k acres) to take advantage of high early tech prices. Also, I jump really early to destock more cheaply, so I use ~1600 turns. (When I tried using more turns I just end up with too much unsold tech points, crashing the tech market, and then destocking really expensively.)

I've tried Tyr-->Demo, straight Demo, straight Theo, TMBR and found the straight Demo to be the most... straight forward. lol

I might try straight demo to higher acreage at turn 800-900. It's amazing how you get to 20-25k acres as straight demo. Haha 3 turns per grab is so rough!

With regards to stocking acreage yes it is true that tech prices drop and its something you gotta account for. But if that were not the case the target would be cumulative tech points teched. That usually maxes out at like 25k acres. Acres also help your pm replenish, so they have a value on their own.

Calculate the cumulative tech you can make on different acreages. Assume maybe that you stop taking turns at turn 1800.
A good approxmation is TPT = Land/3

so 9k acres on turn 500 means 9k/3 *(1800-500)=3.9m tech points
12k on turn 600 means 12k/3 *(1800-600)=4.8m tech points
15k on turn 700; 15k/3 *(1800-700)=5.5m tech points
18k on turn 800; 18k/3 *(1800-800)=6.0m tech points
21k on turn 900; 21k/3 *(1800-900)=6.3m tech points
24k on turn 1000; 24k/3 *(1800-1000)=6.4m tech points
27k on turn 1100; 27k/3 *(1800-1100)=6.3m tech points

Of course some of these acreages are easier or harder to achieve on these turns and that plays into this as well.

Your land has nw. so that brings the optimal up.
Tech prices decline. so that brings the optimal down.
Land allows your private market to replenish faster. That brings the optimal acre goal up.

What ends up happening if you compare the extremes say a 10k acre techer or a 25k acre techer is that the 25k acre techer will be able to dump his stock later, he will be able to stock more turns, and he will be able to make positive net income on some of those last turns that the 10k acre techer wont. This effect is hard to compare in general but when you play it every set you get a feel for it. this brings the optimal acre goal higher.

Then you got your own effect on the tech market. If you are a 10k acre techer you wont have to think at all as much about how much tech you place on the market at once or how much the market demand is at each given time. with a 25k acre techer you must do that. This causes a 25k acre techer to spend more turns selling tech and perhaps selling at a lower price even at the same time. this brings the optimum down.

Edited By: Gerdler on Sep 17th 2020, 13:42:58

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Sep 16th 2020, 19:18:20

True. This is getting old. I'm considering deleting them all on my own or at least closing the thread for real. We'll see!

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Sep 16th 2020, 19:08:05

That post was not the last post on this thread. So you are almost as wrong as ever. You should join me. You will like being right. It gives you a strong erection.

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Sep 16th 2020, 18:44:59

No..

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Sep 16th 2020, 18:31:52

Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
Plus add the billion$ the Biden family made from deals with China and Ukraine while being VPOTUS that you ignore is classified as bad behavior

Where exactly are the "billions" comming from? Trump is the only one saying that and you swallow it hook line and sinker.

Get yourself a clue before you forward such BS. You are turning into Cerb.

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Sep 16th 2020, 13:02:59

Thats more than I understand.

He is Aussie living in kiwiland then?

I always thought he was kiwi living in kiwiland.

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Sep 15th 2020, 20:51:53

usually I started stocking around turn 900-1000 with 20-25k acres. Ebert did theo and he liked to be smaller, so he probably stocked turn 800-950 most of the time with 18-23k acres.

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Sep 15th 2020, 13:44:45

Ebert has the all time NW record. but the one Celphi posted isn't my best.

my best:
442 1 Flourtandkram motverkar karies (#86) 24,006 $80,524,331 DG

Best ever(ebert):
447 1 DeathFromAbove (#2) 22,844 $83,399,080 HG

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Sep 15th 2020, 13:40:32

make a youtube video?

or write with a space between the letters like so mifluff (M I S H I T).

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Sep 14th 2020, 13:19:05

An earthquake occurred destroying 11 buildings!

Ohh well, there's always next set.

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Sep 12th 2020, 21:10:08

I actually voted 'Just enough suiciding/drama' and the reason I voted for that is we have historically low amounts of suiciding since changeset 17 was buried so this is a huge leap already. We had what, 3-4 low impact suiciders last set in 1a?
Of course fewer is better when it comes to those who don't do it in response to aggression, but it's such a relief compared to what used to be the norm.

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Sep 10th 2020, 18:24:23

I retract everything I just said and insist on the opposite.

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Sep 10th 2020, 13:41:05

The highest acreages have been done with farmers.

They are nice because of the instant income. Cashers will probably be the same in the early stages, possibly better, but once you start racking up unbuilt land and your tech levels drop off real hard your income will disappear faster than for a farmer.

CI would have some advantages and some disadvantages. Try it!

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Sep 9th 2020, 2:23:21

I was under the impression that tower triangulation only takes time in movies. And that it only requires a call in movies.

Your cell phone pings nearby cell towers every few seconds right? And the strength of those signals along with those pings are stored as retrievable data right? I'm sure theres some calculations needed, and they take several microseconds, maybe even milliseconds. :)

So if they have access to this data and know how to sort out your phone from the rest of the data, they will know approximatly where you are and also where you have been and when even if you had turned off/broken/no GPS.

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Sep 9th 2020, 0:09:05

If the phone doesn't have GPS they can still find you and where you travel through cell tower triangulation, no?

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Sep 8th 2020, 23:15:01

Originally posted by UgolinoII:
what's it called when you accidentally all your jets on private instead of bushels? :D

How that work? Jets are not even close to bushels. If you sell your tanks I get it. But jets? Thats not fat fingers, that is when you play with a fat knee on a on your smartphone. :P

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Sep 8th 2020, 19:58:44

I am against removing variables that can be used to distingush yourself. This one is problematic because its not explained well, it causes more confusion than understanding and its not an ingame skill or a certain wanted behavior that yeilds an advantage it(as it used to be when it was an offline bonus).

Personally, I think, from a developer perspective, if the bonus should be set up to promote a behavior that is wanted, it should perhaps be a 3 turn bonus given 00:00, 08:00 and 16:00 gametime if the player took at least X turns in the previous 8 hour period. These periods should not change and should be the same for all servers.
This kind of system would theoretically cause activity to be smeared out over the day thereby making the market work better, with slightly more even demand and supply, with fewer supply shortages.

Failing that, reqruit more african, european and asian players.

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Sep 8th 2020, 14:51:48

Used to not be that way. I think a smaller market while it doesn't really favor the rep casher it certainly doesn't hurt it as much as the other strats who will all struggle to sell their goods/tech.
Military prices were not high in the end but I still ended up buying 95%+ of my NW on the private market since it benefitted me.
People used to stock on this server I think? The non-stocking meta is kinda forced on us by the market now and it most certainly benefits rep casher over at least the farmers and techers.

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Sep 8th 2020, 13:30:22

China can't be contained by ONE country throwing some tariffs on their goods. You need multilateralism now more than ever. But USA under Trump has alienated the rest of the west by waging/or threatening the same kind of tariffs/trade war and worse on the rest of the western world which is a really poor basis for finding common ground.

When you did the Magnitsky act, EU did the same, and those sactions hurt. Same when we put sanctions on Iran. But now EU is circumventing the sanctions on Iran that the US wants to keep up. The rift is growing, China and Russia as well as a host of other authoritarians are the benefactors.

Edited By: Gerdler on Sep 8th 2020, 13:46:13
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Sep 8th 2020, 3:45:36

150m seems hard. Tyr casher win seems hard too. I did tyr casher for the challenge in express two years ago. Was surprisingly bad. Worse than it sounds. :)

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Sep 8th 2020, 0:44:46

Originally posted by Molotov:
Originally posted by Gerdler:
LOL you are really hung up on this arn't you? :P

If I want it changed, this is the place to ask, no? I've yet to post this here until now.

I usually don't play at all after work, and don't think jumping through login time hoops should determine how many turns anyone gets to play with. Simple as that.

I agree, as I said. Only because it's a counterintuitive way they've done it. It makes no sense, and they have explained it quite badly.

That said... I been asking for sensible changes for years and in the meantime you just have to make lemonade.

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Sep 8th 2020, 0:06:37

Ahh awesome, personal best. Puts me into the T3 avg top 10!

Highest NW the last 5 years! :)

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Sep 7th 2020, 21:08:45

I encourage you guys to try it. There are some challenges you will find that I think you are not anticipating right now. Finding ways to overcome them will certainly make you better players.

You will want to do it without GDI, and if you hit players it should be right before endgame humanitarians kick in. This has two effects;
1. they might be unable to retal you.
2. they might have forgotten to jump if they are good targets that late, as such they dont care about their countries so you don't just end up making a whole lot of people pissed at you for no reason.

Also by doing it late you have the option of not doing it at all in case you realize you won't reach your goal anyway.

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Sep 7th 2020, 19:56:17

I didn't build my land past like 40-45k iirc.

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Sep 7th 2020, 19:31:32

LOL you are really hung up on this arn't you? :P

Anyway I think the turn bonus system is really counter-intuitive. Both the wording and the way it works. It is also annoying to have to explain to people who come back that the old log-out mechanic is no longer the same even if the message is the same which leads them to believe it is unchanged. I have figured out how to get what I think is close to maximal turns, tho the way I have to do it limits me in when and how I can play as well so I wouldn't be sad if it was changed.

However, failing that, the onus has always been on the players to figure out how the mechanics in the game works and how to best take advantage of them. I have learned tricks from people and I have shared tricks with many in my days.
There was a thread in Express a few weeks back suggesting someone was cheating because they sold military to the bots, and he thought it was multies or friends buying each others goods. After a while he was convinced that it was not cheating but he fell back on it being immoral that someone else could benefit from something he didn't understand or care to understand. Somehow knowing a start-up, a formula, a trend or a pattern that he uses is fine but if someone knows something he don't it's unfair.
This is quite similar. Apart from the late late-game I don't think I play more than you. If you were in LaF I would explain to you how to get more turns and a lot of other nuggets that would help you either on this server, another server or maybe all servers.

Edited By: Gerdler on Sep 7th 2020, 19:34:56
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Sep 7th 2020, 17:15:24

Clintonista was actually found out attempting to cheat to get the land record one set too. Ingame messages showing him trying to get a player to put him in DR so he could grab freely without risking retals was posted on this forum. So he really really wanted that. :P

Even if 81181 acres isnt something I'm particularily proud of I love the fact that I farmed clintonista as part of getting there, and that he failed to retal because of the end game humanitarians. :)
Part of his reasoning behind why his 70k acres were supposedly better than my 81k acres was because I had hit humans who didn't retal. And yet he was one of those humans and he tried real hard to retal but failed.

Edited By: Gerdler on Sep 7th 2020, 17:19:08

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Sep 7th 2020, 17:12:38

SET RANK COUNTRY NAME # LAND NW Special
Mine:
430 12 a plus tard (#82) 81,181 $18,988,509 I
414 7 turn it up with cocaine (#75) 67,725 $19,725,566 I
387 4 Try if you dont succeed (#80) 53,281 $28,332,981 DG

Clintonista:
413 16 sincewhendidgropingbecomeasin (#98) 61,052 $16,275,352 I
437 15 muellers stalinist bootjacks (#96) 70,480 $14,910,305 F

81181 acres is the land record on this server. I only did it because Clintonista needed to be taught a lesson. He kept griefing people and all the while telling that he is the best player because he had the land record. Thats why I took it from him with a Demo at first, to show how easy it is.

Back when I first took the land record from him the server was run with 35 bots. This was also the number for set 413 and 414, but there you see I took it back in one set, which shows how easy it was for me. When the bot number increased to 50 bots I knew my 67k acres would not be safe and I risked having him change the goal post to something like 'being the first to 70k or 80k acres' so I decided to improve upon my record(in one attempt). He attempted several times but only managed 70480 acres and claimed somehow that was better than my 81k acres for some reason only he understood, lol.

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Sep 7th 2020, 14:37:32

I am working very hard with my feet to shape them up for you and your T10!

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Sep 7th 2020, 13:03:50

Soon you'll be wearing my sword like a shish kebab!

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Sep 7th 2020, 11:13:55

You have done it so many times now that you are clearly a griefer, galleri! You are inflicting self-grief.

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Sep 6th 2020, 16:51:43

And I will honour it by increasing my PCI to over 70.00 and then dropping it to lower then 70 when the round ends! :)

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Sep 6th 2020, 12:47:42

Maybe, I will only be certain of that when he has done it 16091 sets in a row. For now I will give him the benefit of the doubt. :)

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Sep 6th 2020, 12:34:23

If the bots get fatter late game it helps only the FFOs since the other strats have all stopped grabbing.

Techers don't get helped in their grabbing at all, Cashers and CI's maye get very slight help for their last grabs, but FFOs rake in those big acres from 10 days out when the bots explore 11-12 acres per turn instead of 8-9 and therefore become significantly bigger than today.

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Sep 6th 2020, 1:21:03

Die Amin, die?

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Sep 5th 2020, 17:34:51

Yeah that should be a good plan. :)