Why do people with 20X my networth get to attack me.. 5,6,7 times... but I cant retal at all cause of "Enter stupid ass reason here".... this nonsense happens all the time and its rediculous.. fix it or make it not be able to attack both ways

What server? I know for a fact that Primary is 4x i think tournament too, there was changes made to the others so I'm not sure on them, I know that if you're in GDI it changes things.

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Your not use to that by now?

Socialism kills the middle class, there can only be Shepherds and sheeple.

I've brought up the fact that you should be able to break humanitarian if the country you are trying to attack has attacked you. The "hit on the edge of humanitarians" then jump out of range is toxic gameplay and should be fixed.

Point in case – Rosso.

Rosso to give you a more definite answer to your question: There is a rule on servers that you cannot hit a country x times bigger or smaller than you. They are grabbing people close to that threshold then jumping in NW so you can't attack back.

Humanitarians protest if a country attempts to attack another country which is 4 times bigger or smaller than it. https://www.earthempires.com/primary/serverdetails

It is a rule that only hurts new players/ noobs in these scenarios.

I disagree req. It's a rule that saves the lowest ranked players. I 100% would be hitting 1m nw countries all set without it. With it, I'm forced to hit people much bigger.

Well, I think you missed part of my post:

"I've brought up the fact that you should be able to break humanitarian if the country you are trying to attack has attacked you."

Meaning, the lower person can retal, but the bigger person still is held to the humanitarian rule. It gives the guy who got hit the option to retail instead of the game stopping them. It prob needs more caveats to prevent abuse, but the point is: if you are attacked you should be allowed to hit them back at least one time without humanitarian blocking it.

A slight but significant difference IMO. It should also be pointed out that Rosso is not the only person to complain about this. It is the type of game experience that can make some people decide not to play anymore.

I thought you meant hr would be eliminated between those 2 countries for the rest of the set. I can't see how it's fair that one party can disregard hr while the other can't?

yeah if someone retals me with a stray missile it means I can farm him all set and no one else. This opens the door for extremely oppressive cheating. And please dont tell me you dont think people would cheat in such a way in a text based online game 20 years past its best before date. We have seen it happen over and over again.

Primary is extremely oppressive to the bad/mediocre player even without the jump out of range farming. I have tried comming back from an early war or a week of inactivity and its just impossible even if people only singletap you. because you will be pummelled by those singletaps 2-4 times a day and theres no strategy/skill that will compensate for that.
This oppressiveness of primary seems to be the main thing people like about it, generally people who are usually on the other side of it.
I think primary shouldnt be the first server as it is now, or called primary as it will be the first server people try, and it should be the last.

In any case a more fair rule would be that you can only hit every country once in primary, no humanitarians. That would stop both the jump out of range practice and the barrage of single-taps you undoubtedly will face once you get into the perfect NW range of the top countries in the game.
I guess it could be that you can only hit a country 1 more time than it has hit you, if either are in GDI. This goes away if GDI is broken, the direction its broken in.

So here is how a war escalation would look:
1. A hits B once. cant hit again
2. B hits A twice. cant hit again
3. A can hit B however many times it wishes, just like if GDI is broken nowadays.
4. B can hit A unlimited. Just like if GDI is broken nowadays.

However, you want to frame it doesn't matter to me. I only would like to see the root issue solved:

+ Hit on the edge of humanitarian and jump out of range. +

I have not devoted any time to all of the constraints and such that would be necessary to prevent abuse, that's the developer's job. Given that QZ/Pang wants to push new players to Primary first, then they are faced with the most punishing gameplay is not the way to go.

Let's be honest, this issue doesn't affect me I am thinking about the new players that are turned off to the game because of it.

I don't mind changes, but there should 100% be set rules that apply the same to everyone.

I have a 2 step solution for the farm and jump out of range thing:
1. Read the details page you posted. You can change the rules to w/e, but those same people still won't know if they don't read it.
2. Strategize. That farm and jump out of range is typically only done to rainbows because they can't jump more than a few hundred k nw at a time. Any strat is good enough to be within 25% of someone's nw.

I like helping new players too =)

Req, you are talking as if 'hit on the edge of HR and jump out is the main problem that is making primary oppressive'. It isn't. If you are not hit by 1 person multiple times you will be hit by several people once each, for about the same number of hits. And that will happen when you get to the optimal range to be hit. You cant grow through that range and come out on the other end of it, you can sit below it, in relative safety, or you can sit above it at high rank.

I had a war recently where my strategy was just to hit my enemy until he got into the perfect farming range of the top people then let them pummel him based on self-interest. It worked like a charm. There was no amount of ABs/missiles/spy ops from me that could deal as much damage to him in the long run, so I just netgained away. And since my enemy was set up with a high amount of spies and tanks no one double-tapped him. It was just single taps to oblivion.

There are too few targets accessible so all targets that are viable will be FARMED either by one player or all players in range to do so.

I find this type of gameplay bad for the game. If you are hit the retaliatory attack should not be limited by 4x humanitarians.



☝️ – a poor player experience.

This is prob the only server it’s possible anyway, Alliance is 12x…

This happens in Primary server especially because the game has a feature called humanitarians, which prevent all players from attacking countries more than 4x or less than 4x their total networth

So what the experienced players do is attack countries that are approx. 4x smaller than they are, and then spend money afterwards to climb higher in networth so they are more than 4x larger than you are

The best way to fight back against this is to learn a basic game strategy and learn how to more efficiently play your turns so that you can get back within 4x the size of these attacking countries and then you will be able to attack them back with missiles or spy attacks or whatever way you see fit

Good luck
R.

Yep you are absolutely correct. The farm and jump play wouldnt happen with x12 humies. But as far as I can see there are a lot of players who like primary very much because of the 'midfeeding' with all-PS attacks and if the humies range was changed to something like what the other servers have (x8 or x12), that would no longer be how its played in primary.

Whats been said from a lot of people like KoH, Delphinius, Serp etc is that primary is the most old school server and theres a lot of players who play ONLY primary for that very reason. It's kinda chill and its old school. And the 'oppressive' nature as we call it is exactly what they want from the game. I think there should be a server like that, even if only to cater to this clique of players, and I would only change the name of the server and the placement on the portal page. Bad players should have no reason to want to play primary first, and they shouldn't be lured there.

People should start out in:
*Tournament because tiers are great for nubs, lower level should mean the skill gap is lower, and the GDI+ short reset usually makes all-xp fine and farming is less intensive.
*Express because fast action = fast learning and theres no serious cost to messing up.

Primary is my favorite server because it is the closest thing to playing Earth 2025 in 1997