i hate agreeing with tella, but that's a pretty accurate post :-/

it should bother everyone here that standing up for yourself is perceived as grudge wars by SoF/LaF, but when they actually carry out grudges (like specifically decide to fight someone because of a grudge -- either long standing netting, short term politically advantageous reason, or just making up a reason to fight because they don't like someone) but when anyone in the LaF/SoF camp stand up for themselves (or their allies), it's a righteous endeavour.

folks used to at least have the courage to hold themselves to the same standards they held others to and not remain in perma-spin mode. those days are long gone and I don't expect them back :p