There were a lot of factors in play here.

1) I know you wanted a good war to show who is the most baddest in all the lands. Well beating up on EEvil and SoF doesn't mean fluff so we figured we'd give you the chance to prove yourselves. It's not like PDM bothered to buy war tech and if things had gone my way we would have AB FSed you... it's not like we are an overwhelming factor... you're only outnumbered like 2:1 now. FWIW with LaF's showing against SoL you might win by default. Or you can fight SoL again.
2) Soviet smells like garlic and I can't resist garlic.
3) We are the Loraxi and we speak for the trees
-You were fluffing with Rage. My pal Atlantis told me all about it. You were meanies.
-You were fluffing with Neofed. They say you won't even talk to them. =(
4) http://www.youtube.com/...v=7movKfyTBII&ob=av3e cause if your friend's don't dance then they're no friend of mine... trust me. It makes a lot of sense.
5) You fluffed with us last round. I don't believe in grudge matches but it is true. Figured I'd state it before someone comes claiming this was the real reason. It was only one Merciless Pepper of Quetzlzacatenango in the chili that was the motivation for this war.

I am an habanero in the wind!

jeesh, I am going to need to make an f'ing spreadsheet up pretty soon . . .

Where are neofed and rage if we were meanies?? cmon we need more fun!

doesn't collab's side still have ICN and TheFist on it as well?

I don't think it can be 2:1 already, numbers-wise at least

Thats correct pang ( I have no idea what the numbers are, Frankly don't care)

whos frank and whats he got to do with this?

oh, I wasn't aware ICN and Fist were fighting too... Well in that case this here be a right fine shindig.

I'm confused ... can someone make a chart of which alliance(s) each alliance is at war with?

yep detmer...though I assume that if you were pacted to them they will honor that.

if by shindig you mean tupperware party then yes! ill have a dish

http://hosting.boxcarhosting.net:443/.../viewFile.php?fileID=1834

hah! secsi schematic :)

we're only fighting EEvil and Superfly ;)

F... oooooooooooooood!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk9l6fyxcBE

SuperFly is currently crippled. The odds are currently favouring The Fist :(

detmer your war dec good.

+1

i have wind, habanero

We were hitting RAGE, they were hitting us. We set them to DNH a couple of weeks ago so that it didn't go any further. I'm not sure how that constitutes being meanies...

As for Neo, I sent DeathRider a message that we were working out reps, but obviously our war is taking up more of our time. They were assured they would get their reps, but we had other things going...

The truth is PDM just wanted to pile on while they could. That's all you really had to say. We gave you guys a pact and didn't hit you all set not for our good but your yours. It's not a problem, I like the challenge of fighting 4 tags at once. But don't think we'll take it easy on you guys ever again.

:)

I saw how you guys spoke to Atlantis. It was not nice. If you weren't picking a fight then I don't know what you were doing...

Did they talk to atlantis like you've talked to everyone all set?

Thomas, you were in PDM when we warred the larger clans without calling in assistance.

You, of ALL the people in this thread, should understand that we don't pile on other alliances out of opportunity. We war when we have a legit reason, not when it's convenient.

Only one alliance asked me for a DNH all set (war DNHs aside, those are automatic), let alone a temp DNH, and I gave it to them. It is one thing to stick to your policy, it is another to back down and ask for a temp DNH.

PDM typically fights because it gets itself into stupid situations. This seems more like a war of opportunity for PDM than really having a legit reason...though opportunity is plenty reason for me.

You can't act like Collab screwed you over this set when they put you on DNH, so you pull the we're defending our friends though they arent even fighting collab card

i totally sorted it out with axa over a hot brunch date.

PDM and collab both win out of this war i think, rage would have ---- -- --- when axa asked - ---- ago if we could, but are in a rebuilding/recruiting phase atm, and can't afford it:/

---- = censored information for collab/rage/pdm eyes only!!

Sanct did not screw us over this set - that is true. I listed numerous factors that played into this. Individually none of them would have been sufficient. This was a body of work. Part of it was that you guys wanted a more serious fight. I honestly don't see why you're even here trying to poke holes (which you are fine to do because there aren't any... holes only show up when you're lying)

Detmer - You can spin this anyway you like it. I really don't care to be honest. The fact is, you're defending RAGE when we DNH'd them. You're defending Neo when we told them we will work out reps. We didn't war either of them. So you're defending how we talked to someone?

As far as how someone talked to Atlantis, send me the logs so I know what you're referring to.

I'm not attempting to poke holes I'm pointing out that 1 and 5 are the only real reasons up there to fight...making wars even should happen more often than not. grudge wars don't really matter and I dont think this is one from PDM's standpoint either.

thomas, you show us your logs first then we show you ours! rawr!

Dragonlance - Which is why we decided to not hit you guys anymore, because we didn't want to further chase people off this server. But we're being portrayed as bullying ... lolz. I don't care. I'm happy now that the war is more interesting.

Good luck fellas.

Joseph - Let it go. We wanted a war all set and finally got one. We can't take away their fun too. Lets be good sports

/me shows tan his loins

*licks*

+5 points for Safety Dance.

Always an important part of any war dec.

I'm the only one that found it funny when Thomas called joe Joseph? :P

Good luck to you too! May this end in the complete and total destruction of both sides! I can accept a few surviving civilians, cowering in caves, as long as there are no buildings left standing!

Buildings are the devil! Tanks are the answer!

Seriously Detmer? lol

Very rarely.

Hmmm. Fun times.

Dragonlance is my butt buddy, I told all our LGs back and forth were just LGs, not hostilities, which he seemed to understand. When Dragonlance came back from vacation, I approached him to make sure no hostilities arose, and as a matter or being proactive, we decided to DNH each other.

Anyways, warrrrr.

I will elaborate, neither Rage nor NeoFed approached us to do anything on their behalf.

Im sure SoF did though ;p

Anytime we war Ivan he mass messages every alliance in the server, even us sometimes cause he doesnt update his contacts ;p

LOL that would be funny if that really happened.

meh. honestly, I think this war is pointless, and imo we had no real reason to war you. I hate grudge wars tbh.
buuuut... fluff happens. let's blow fluff up anyways :p

There are five points listed for this war. I figued you would have noticed at least one of them. ;)

Detmer, I'm curious what you think you'll benefit out of this. I see you guys getting used and left in the cold in the following wars to come. Lead your own path.

Welcome to the war though. :)

LOL I love that Drow came out against this.

I feel like Sanct just got moral victory :) Hope total victory follows :)

Where have you been the last uh couple years, they haven't exactly been rolling around with a crew :P

I noticed that too...guess cause of my MSN name lol, felt like my mom was getting on to me again :P

Anyways I like the way PDM handles themselves better this set than they have in a long time and Detmer knows what he's doing whether or not it makes sense to anyone else ;)