I've seen players go jetters before,. but has anyone tried 100% jets 0 turrets before? Mathmatically, it seems like it would be a winning strategy.

Been there, done that. Now move on.

you do open yourself to being BR'd, no?

I guess as long as you don't attack too much... hm

1.) Join GDI
2.) 100% jets
3.) Hit countries only 1 time
4.) Only hit players 95% of net..

Seems like there's no point to having turrets.

And if the same GDI rules apply on primary, it should work there too.

Further example:
A grabs B.
B retals 10x on A using SS.

A now has 10 DR.

A grabs C. (gains all lost land)
C retals 10x on A using SS.

A now has 19 DR.

A grabs D. (has only spent turns for 3 attacks for + land)
D grabs 10x on A using SS.

A now has 29 DR.
/rinse repeat

Why would A need turrets? And by going 100% jets, he can always land PS on a country 95% of their net.

you can try celphi

The problem is, with a DR of 12+, you still lose 10% of the maximum. With zero turrets you could be hit by an unlimited number of SS's and keep losing 10% of the maximum. You have to keep some turrets on hand to make it more costly to hit you.

Well it still would be limited to the # of turns they have, no? I'm going to try it on test and post results.

Just wait intil some newbie or fluffboi finds you have 0 turrets and hits you 50 times in a row my friend.

But Earf- that's exactly what I would want. If they hitt me 50x, that means they spent 100 turns (and now all returns on me are only worth 15acres).

And players are deterred to hitting me because 2 turns is not worth 15acres. Even if it's free. About to post results.

SS May 11, 16:02 d (#146) a (#72) 349 A
SS May 11, 16:02 d (#146) a (#72) 387 A
SS May 11, 16:02 d (#146) a (#72) 398 A
SS May 11, 16:02 d (#146) a (#72) 307 A
SS May 11, 16:02 d (#146) a (#72) 214 A
SS May 11, 16:03 d (#146) a (#72) 151 A
SS May 11, 16:03 d (#146) a (#72) 109 A
SS May 11, 16:03 d (#146) a (#72) 80 A
SS May 11, 16:03 d (#146) a (#72) 59 A
SS May 11, 16:03 d (#146) a (#72) 43 A
SS May 11, 16:03 d (#146) a (#72) 33 A
SS May 11, 16:03 d (#146) a (#72) 25 A
SS May 11, 16:03 d (#146) a (#72) 20 A
SS May 11, 16:03 d (#146) a (#72) 18 A
SS May 11, 16:03 d (#146) a (#72) 18 A
SS May 11, 16:03 d (#146) a (#72) 18 A
SS May 11, 16:03 d (#146) a (#72) 17 A
SS May 11, 16:03 d (#146) a (#72) 17 A
SS May 11, 16:03 d (#146) a (#72) 17 A
SS May 11, 16:03 d (#146) a (#72) 16 A
SS May 11, 16:03 d (#146) a (#72) 16 A
SS May 11, 16:03 d (#146) a (#72) 16 A
SS May 11, 16:04 d (#146) a (#72) 16 A
SS May 11, 16:04 d (#146) a (#72) 16 A
SS May 11, 16:04 d (#146) a (#72) 15 A
SS May 11, 16:04 d (#146) a (#72) 15 A
SS May 11, 16:04 d (#146) a (#72) 15 A
SS May 11, 16:04 d (#146) a (#72) 15 A
SS May 11, 16:04 d (#146) a (#72) 15 A
SS May 11, 16:04 d (#146) a (#72) 15 A
SS May 11, 16:04 d (#146) a (#72) 15 A
PS May 11, 16:13 a (#72) b (#144) 693 A (981 Gained)
SS May 11, 16:16 d (#146) a (#72) 35 A
SS May 11, 16:16 d (#146) a (#72) 35 A
SS May 11, 16:16 d (#146) a (#72) 34 A
SS May 11, 16:16 d (#146) a (#72) 34 A
SS May 11, 16:16 d (#146) a (#72) 34 A
SS May 11, 16:16 d (#146) a (#72) 33 A
SS May 11, 16:16 d (#146) a (#72) 33 A
SS May 11, 16:16 d (#146) a (#72) 32 A
SS May 11, 16:16 d (#146) a (#72) 32 A
SS May 11, 16:16 d (#146) a (#72) 31 A
SS May 11, 16:16 d (#146) a (#72) 31 A
SS May 11, 16:16 d (#146) a (#72) 30 A
SS May 11, 16:16 d (#146) a (#72) 29 A
SS May 11, 16:17 d (#146) a (#72) 29 A
SS May 11, 16:17 d (#146) a (#72) 28 A
SS May 11, 16:17 d (#146) a (#72) 28 A
SS May 11, 16:17 d (#146) a (#72) 27 A
SS May 11, 16:17 d (#146) a (#72) 27 A
SS May 11, 16:17 d (#146) a (#72) 26 A
SS May 11, 16:17 d (#146) a (#72) 25 A
SS May 11, 16:17 d (#146) a (#72) 25 A
SS May 11, 16:17 d (#146) a (#72) 24 A
SS May 11, 16:17 d (#146) a (#72) 24 A
SS May 11, 16:17 d (#146) a (#72) 23 A
SS May 11, 16:17 d (#146) a (#72) 23 A
SS May 11, 16:17 d (#146) a (#72) 22 A
SS May 11, 16:17 d (#146) a (#72) 22 A
SS May 11, 16:17 d (#146) a (#72) 22 A
SS May 11, 16:17 d (#146) a (#72) 21 A
SS May 11, 16:17 d (#146) a (#72) 21 A
SS May 11, 16:17 d (#146) a (#72) 20 A
SS May 11, 16:17 d (#146) a (#72) 20 A

Of course since you're an all jetter, you could do more than 1 attack per 2 hrs. They would be burning a ton of turns just to get their land back. In the example above., you've only spent 4 turns (2 attacks). Whereas the other 2 countries spent 60 turns. As you grab more land it would benefit moreso.

IVe seen it before, Cellphi. It doesnt work. It does become a huge annoyance for all you attack so it works at that. And you can maybe get somewhere into the top 15 with it but it wont be that good. Theres two ways it goes wrong. One way is it fades too much and people take hueg amounts of acres from you. The other way someone hits you way many times and you lose tons of land that way. They wont be getting only 15 acres if you have a lot of land. If they avarage 100 acres per hit and hit you 25 times you lost 2500 land. Too much land lost in this stratergy for it to be really good.

Once you're in DR... as you can see, you only give up 35 acres per, which means they have to spend 60 turns.

These examples were given at aprx 4k land.

Ok., I'll try it at 15k.

This is using 15k:

PS May 11, 16:43 a (#72) b (#144) 1895 A (2702 Gained)
SS May 11, 16:44 d (#146) a (#72) 64 A
SS May 11, 16:44 d (#146) a (#72) 64 A
SS May 11, 16:44 d (#146) a (#72) 64 A
SS May 11, 16:44 d (#146) a (#72) 64 A
SS May 11, 16:44 d (#146) a (#72) 64 A
SS May 11, 16:45 d (#146) a (#72) 64 A
SS May 11, 16:45 d (#146) a (#72) 64 A
SS May 11, 16:45 d (#146) a (#72) 64 A
SS May 11, 16:45 d (#146) a (#72) 64 A
SS May 11, 16:45 d (#146) a (#72) 64 A
SS May 11, 16:45 d (#146) a (#72) 64 A
SS May 11, 16:45 d (#146) a (#72) 64 A
SS May 11, 16:45 d (#146) a (#72) 65 A
SS May 11, 16:45 d (#146) a (#72) 65 A
SS May 11, 16:45 d (#146) a (#72) 65 A
SS May 11, 16:45 d (#146) a (#72) 65 A
SS May 11, 16:45 d (#146) a (#72) 66 A
SS May 11, 16:45 d (#146) a (#72) 66 A
SS May 11, 16:45 d (#146) a (#72) 66 A
SS May 11, 16:45 d (#146) a (#72) 66 A
SS May 11, 16:45 d (#146) a (#72) 67 A
SS May 11, 16:45 d (#146) a (#72) 67 A
SS May 11, 16:45 d (#146) a (#72) 67 A
SS May 11, 16:45 d (#146) a (#72) 68 A
SS May 11, 16:45 d (#146) a (#72) 68 A
SS May 11, 16:46 d (#146) a (#72) 69 A
SS May 11, 16:46 d (#146) a (#72) 69 A
SS May 11, 16:46 d (#146) a (#72) 70 A
SS May 11, 16:46 d (#146) a (#72) 70 A
SS May 11, 16:46 d (#146) a (#72) 71 A
SS May 11, 16:46 d (#146) a (#72) 71 A
SS May 11, 16:46 d (#146) a (#72) 72 A
SS May 11, 16:46 d (#146) a (#72) 72 A
SS May 11, 16:46 d (#146) a (#72) 73 A
SS May 11, 16:46 d (#146) a (#72) 74 A
SS May 11, 16:46 d (#146) a (#72) 74 A
SS May 11, 16:46 d (#146) a (#72) 75 A
SS May 11, 16:46 d (#146) a (#72) 75 A
SS May 11, 16:46 d (#146) a (#72) 76 A
SS May 11, 16:46 d (#146) a (#72) 77 A
SS May 11, 16:46 d (#146) a (#72) 77 A
SS May 11, 16:46 d (#146) a (#72) 78 A
SS May 11, 16:46 d (#146) a (#72) 79 A
SS May 11, 16:46 d (#146) a (#72) 80 A
SS May 11, 16:46 d (#146) a (#72) 80 A
SS May 11, 16:46 d (#146) a (#72) 81 A
SS May 11, 16:46 d (#146) a (#72) 82 A
SS May 11, 16:47 d (#146) a (#72) 82 A
SS May 11, 16:47 d (#146) a (#72) 83 A
SS May 11, 16:47 d (#146) a (#72) 84 A
SS May 11, 16:47 d (#146) a (#72) 84 A

Only used 4 attacks total. Now look at the # of turns spent to recover it. It takes about 80 turns (40 attacks) to recover it.

And the person grabbing the land back- i have top feeding. That's why you see the #s increasing. If it's a player bottomfeeding- those #s would be decreasing. Because the % of net becomes greater apart.

fist off how much DR did that start with and secondly it Wont only be done by someone trying to recover land. 80 acres per attack free, could draw many people. Do you want to lose 2000 land isnt that expensive? What if You can grab 2000 acres without losing any??

I used the same countries from the previous group. I just continued it. That's my point though. As time went on, the returns would compound.
Yes. You're right that grabbing 2000 acres without losing any is better. But if a player went all jetter, and 0 turrets, that player WOULD lose land.

Esp if you were doing 3-4 attacks per 2hrs. Everyone would be burning turns just to get 60-70 acres per 2 turns. Which is about 30-35A per turn. Not really that great.

Another thing to consider is the players who hit me more than once risk dieing to BRs. So most likely it would be the players who are looking to war/ruin ppls sets.

sounds fun despite the math.

Last week I grabbed people within 5% of my net for some huge gains and i didn't even get retalled... and my defense was never more than 1.5m (+weapons tech) until the very end. Maybe ill give this a go this week.

You need some sort of d in lieu of turrets such as nukes or mass spy. I tried something like this a few months ago with near all jetter and mass nukes. Actually worked out well since no one wanted to double tap. As earf stated you probably can't succeed straight jets. some newb will think that youre a good target and go to town wih no deterany besides jets

@yeti: I want the newbs to keep me in DR though. That's the idea. The land gained from 1PS > several SS.

To put in perpective. 1 PS takes about 60 turns to recover. (That number increases as land increases). If you made 6 attacks in a day, it's not even possible for an attacking player to take more land than you're gaining. Even if they spent all 360 turns attacking.

After obtaining a DR of like 200+ near the last day, you could then switch back to having turrets, making you damn near invincible.

NOTE: The numbers above are assuming some critical factors:
You're near max DR. (aprx 20hits+)
All your grabs are of players 95% of your own net.
The attacker is NOT Tyranny.

Dude who the heck caers if you are getting more land then the player you are attacking gets back. THat means nothing. It means you fluffed a guy over it does NOT mean you are running a successful country. You are not the only tow people in the game.

how do you think i finish with 12K acres as a landfarm? some people might fluff about intentional DR abuse. they have before when netters tried the same.

why do you think all your ideas are special little new snowflakes?

My idea is different. My suggestion is 100% jets and grab players within 5% of your net.

You have 0 everything and explore only. (except for spies).

i wasnt just talking about me.... as i said.

others have done this and people complain about DR abuse. baiting someone into suiciding or over farming you then you in turn grabbing people who have no chance at getting their land back.

you always either misunderstand fluff, or only focus on one aspect of a post. is is pretty stupid.

People have done it before for sure. It isnt news and yes if you hit people for 3000 acre and are intentionally in 100 DR then you should be delted. You cant net very well this way anyway but Ive seen some country get alot of land.

Watch this lol http://earthempires.com/express/166/ranks/25

what stops a player from using a 5-10 jet BR against you so instead of using 60 turns of getting land back they use 120-140 turns to kill you. especially if they are a farmer or casher <-- would this not be much more satisfying against an all-jetter in heavy DRs???

what would you do Celphi to an all jetter country that takes 1200 acres from you and is in heavy DRs, which makes getting your land back a waste of turns? ---
a. walk away,
b. get your land back,
c. kill the country

depending on the reset any of the 3 above could occur, but you need to look at it from a perspective of if this happened to me what would I do to this country, and be willing to accept the same from whoever it is you hit.

@Frost: GDI protects you from BR. So you can't kill him. Depending on their DR, I couldn't do anything, actually. By hittng him x2, I give him the ability to FS.

The example you posted Earf, doesn't show h20 with 0 defense. The point is to invite LGs and grab always 95% of your net. I think mrford's country is proof that even at 12k land with explore only that not everyone finds hitting a country multiple times for 60acres per 2 turns.

The benefit back in 2013 (the h20 account you showed) of hitting 95% of your net didn't exist then. LGing a country within 95% of your net is a fairly new change to EE. Back then, top feeding gave huge returns, but now, not so much. You get your greatest returns now by hitting a country within 95% of your net.

Also, are you sure h20 was 90%+ jets for most of the set and just didn't buy those for net at end?

Why do you think he got 50000 land? It was from being in DR and topfeeding. G o look up the country history. I gave you the info you can do the rest of the work.

Yeah- eestats is down.

The confusing part is:

Construction Sites 0

http://www.earthgraphs.com

DR as defense is simply dr abuse. Also, can't you use earthgraphs for h2o's news?

Love you ford

i thought you loved earf

i dont share

It's too old. Earth only goes back to round 256. Even then most of the data is missing.

h20's country is round 166.

because he got #smackeddown by special attacks

Do you only care so you can claim he did it slight differently, and so your idea is new? Hes not the only one. This has been done 25 times or more!

Well if he was AB'd or BR, that means his idea is completely different. My suggestion only allows SS/PS because you hit players 95% of your net only 1 time, max.

http://www.earthgraphs.com/...=countries&searchstr=

you are wrong a lot celphi. do you understand that? earthgraphs is numbered differently.

http://www.earthgraphs.com/...ll&countrygraph=alive

figured i would also post a direct link to the 50K acre country. in case you got lost again.

I knew it. Your trying to claim the idea You have is has some difference. IT does not matter. I just linked him because he got 50,000 land. People have used DR as defense instead of turrets and then topfeed many many many time. NOT new.

@mrford: thanks. I didn't realize the #s were different; however, he still hit other players more than once, and that's a completely different idea.

he is a special snowflake. let him believe!

book smart, street retarded.

It does matter though, because you can't have a decent production if you're getting BR / AB'd. You can have a decent production if you keep it to SS / PS(typo). In the example you posted he barely has 1/10th of this land built.

I'm not trying to claim the idea as new or as mine. My original question was what's the point of turrets when you could ...... (the suggested idea). Just because I'm pointing out differences in their ideas from mine doesn't mean I'm claiming the idea as new or as 'mine'. I'm just looking for someone to point out an example or reason why it fails.

Mrford is correct though. I am often times incorrect and I'm looking for someone to point out where it fails. When someone suggests a reason why it fails and if I accounted for that idea (well if I think I did) I reply with it. Not to be defiant but because I'm looking for the flaw in my strategy.