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Vaude Game profile

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May 7th 2015, 4:40:38

I think its is still early in the set to caused so many troubles. Serves me right for not joining the damn gdi early :p

Want to ask experience player here.
Is it effective to attack early?
Forgive me if im wrong, for two turns wasted on attack, is it better to spend those turn exploring than wasting many turns for a small land grab?

When is the best time to start LG in this server?

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Celphi Game profile

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May 7th 2015, 9:34:26

Like around 3k+
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BUTTMAN Game profile

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May 7th 2015, 12:42:07

Donkadonkey is at it again!

Celphi Game profile

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May 7th 2015, 13:15:57

These tech prices suck.
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earf

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May 7th 2015, 14:25:20

You complain about prices every set.

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May 7th 2015, 14:51:26

Originally posted by earf:
You complain about prices every set.


Yup. Get used to it.
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May 7th 2015, 14:52:38

Until the imbalance is fixed, I shall continue to do it every set.
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MountainYeti Game profile

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May 7th 2015, 15:11:13

celphis point is valid only way bushels climb in price is thru market manipulation. Badonkadonks hit me 5 times already also

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May 7th 2015, 15:26:27

Hes talking about tech prices now. I dont even know what hes complaiong about though whats wrong with the tech prices? I think it just means hes playing techer, and will always cry about whatever strat he plays not being fair

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May 7th 2015, 16:10:35

I'm not playing techer.
But you're welcomed to spy me. [ #42 celphi ]

I can understand the bot coding, you [ earf ] cannot. I see where the fixes need to be made, but one person complaining will never be enough to make changes on this site. It takes a community of people. That's why I don't send PM to QZJUL. I post them here.

Hardly nobody plays farmers on EXPRESS, so that's why you only hear my voice.

If the same sort of market crash affected commies every set, I guarantee you'd be hearing from every C/I who has spent days/weeks/months into perfecting their strategy.

If the same sort of market crash affected techers every set, I guarantee you'd be hearing from every techer (such as DFA) complaining.

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ebert00 Game profile

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May 7th 2015, 16:20:03

Farming has been a generally crappy strategy for as long as I have been playing. I am not saying a farmer cannot do well but 90%+ of sets I have played food is always cheap.

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May 7th 2015, 16:22:31

I believe crest23 was the last farmer who won in this server.
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May 7th 2015, 16:42:18

wh yare you talkign about tech prices? What's the matter with them?

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May 7th 2015, 17:31:39

Players are wise enough not to spend $4000+ per tech on a Thursday, bots are not. That's why I suggested the tier system.

The bots tech levels were adjusted to buy more tech (which is great) because beforehand they were not buying enough.

However; there's still flaws.

 $spend = $c->money - max($c->bpt,30)*$c->build_cost*10;
if($c->pt_agri < 160)
buy_tech($c,'t_agri',$spend*1/2,3500*$tol);
if($c->pt_bus < 140)
buy_tech($c,'t_bus',$spend*1/4,3500*$tol);
if($c->pt_res < 140)
buy_tech($c,'t_res',$spend*1/4,3500*$tol);
$c = get_advisor(); //UPDATE EVERYTHING
//out("Try Higher Amount!");
$spend = $c->money - max($c->bpt,30)*$c->build_cost*10;
if($c->pt_agri < 200)
buy_tech($c,'t_agri',$spend*1/2,3500*$tol);
if($c->pt_bus < 160)
buy_tech($c,'t_bus',$spend*1/4,3500*$tol);
if($c->pt_res < 160)
buy_tech($c,'t_res',$spend*1/4,3500*$tol);


I'll explain the code:
The bots first buys AGRI tech to 160%, BUS tech to 140%, and RES tech to 140%. This is a strategy error. Farmer bots should ONLY be buying AGRI tech until at LEAST 220% before even thinking about BUS / RES.

As you can see in the code: he up'd the amounts to 200% AGRI , 160% RES & 160% RES. Again, BUS RES shouldn't be touched until 220% agri tech is reached. Even then., there are better techs than BUS RES as a farmer.

This causes farmer bots to buy all three techs. Making the bus/res tech demand higher than pre-bots. The farmer bots then sell all their food on market between $25-$34. The higher priced food is never seen, because the cheap food is so flooded, that eventually the higher priced food drops off market and is resold cheap too.

This is just an example from the farmer bot.

The same can be said with other bots too:

if($c->money > max($c->bpt,30)*$c->build_cost*10){ //buy_tech
//out("Try to buy tech?");
$spend = $c->money - $c->bpt*$c->build_cost*10;
if($c->pt_agri < 140)
buy_tech($c,'t_indy',$spend*1/2,3500*$tol);
if($c->pt_bus < 140)
buy_tech($c,'t_bus',$spend*1/4,3500*$tol);
if($c->pt_res < 140)
buy_tech($c,'t_res',$spend*1/4,3500*$tol);
$spend = $c->money - $c->bpt*$c->build_cost*10;
if($c->pt_agri < 150)
buy_tech($c,'t_indy',$spend*1/2,3500*$tol);
if($c->pt_bus < 160)
buy_tech($c,'t_bus',$spend*1/4,3500*$tol);
if($c->pt_res < 160)
buy_tech($c,'t_res',$spend*1/4,3500*$tol);
}


Look at the C/I bot for a minute. It's buying 150% agri tech, 160% BUS tech and 160% RES tech. There's 0 indy tech. And besides, none of these techs should be touched until indy tech is at least 150%. This too, adds more demand on BUS / RES tech, which shouldn't be happening. That's why you have these sudden massive buyouts of tech. Because all these strategy bots are all buying BUS / RES, which shouldn't be buying them.

And this is just two examples. If a bot is Demo, these %s are not adjusted. They are static, thus making the demo 10+ tech bonus almost negated.
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mFrost Game profile

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May 7th 2015, 17:44:07

Tech prices when i looked at them last night looked a little low for the start of the reset. Actually Military and SDI were still in the upper range, but for anyone playing farmer, they were getting an exceptional deal. Casher techs looked close to normal. Have not looked at the prices this morning, but I'm pretty sure they should they should be about average. Bushels on the other hand seemed to be selling in $40 range which is good, and oil was in the $200 range so a Fascist should do well. Caveat, is I counted a bit more Fascists then I normally see in a reset, so it is very possible those prices crash.

@KoH, where is crest23, have not seen him posting, but I do agree he plays one nice Farmer. Lol, I should not complain I only take top farmer on express if he is not around ;p -- It's been a while, so for this reset I think I will be happy if I can get a 9-10k farmer up to 14-15 mil net.

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May 7th 2015, 17:56:14

Can't go by current prices Frost.

SDI=============
0 total tech sold for entire set.

Military tech========
May 7, 00:00 May 7, 04:00 $3348 $3640 $3,490.98 1063
May 7, 04:00 May 7, 08:00 $5787 $5787 $5,787.00 24
May 7, 08:00 May 7, 12:00 $4792 $4999 $4,843.75 264
May 7, 12:00 May 7, 16:00 $4720 $4720 $4,720.00 821
May 7, 16:00 May 7, 20:00 $3400 $3500 $3,428.48 10,589

Barely 11k tech sold. (Another reason why I say, you can't buy enough military tech to take advantage of $25 bushels.

vs
Bus tech ==========
May 6, 16:00 May 6, 20:00 $3300 $3747 $3,456.49 3996
May 6, 20:00 May 7, 00:00 $3250 $3300 $3,269.61 14,160
May 7, 00:00 May 7, 04:00 $2798 $3747 $3,324.14 14,988
May 7, 04:00 May 7, 08:00 $3200 $4398 $3,346.29 20,922
May 7, 08:00 May 7, 12:00 $3200 $3888 $3,413.30 24,374
May 7, 12:00 May 7, 16:00 $2999 $3998 $3,409.64 84,121
May 7, 16:00 May 7, 20:00 $3398 $4998 $3,456.70 11,612

160k tech sold

res tech =======
May 6, 16:00 May 6, 20:00 $3747 $3747 $3,747.00 1831
May 6, 20:00 May 7, 00:00 $3166 $4400 $3,882.71 3629
May 7, 00:00 May 7, 04:00 $2490 $4400 $3,532.70 15,290
May 7, 04:00 May 7, 08:00 $3100 $4181 $3,332.88 14,897
May 7, 08:00 May 7, 12:00 $2701 $3998 $3,440.36 30,933
May 7, 12:00 May 7, 16:00 $2999 $3998 $3,449.94 81,723
May 7, 16:00 May 7, 20:00 $3300 $3700 $3,368.79 6129

140k tech sold.

Bus and res would be much higher- but mostly everyone is saving turns waiting for tech prices to drop. Of course that doesn't stop the bots from buying the tech.
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MountainYeti Game profile

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May 7th 2015, 18:14:52

I had the most recent win as farmer as a 37M dictator but that was only due to me manipulating the prices and forcing bushels to 100 for most of Sunday.

mFrost Game profile

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May 7th 2015, 18:35:15

I am going by what the normal reset cycle would be, tech prices high at the beginning, they level off for the mid portion of the reset and then crash at end of reset ... except for Military, Indie, and SDI. The prices above look more like early mid reset prices for tech, which is about right, considering turns available vs. turns used. I have gritted my teeth and paid 6K for tech in the past knowing it was less than optimal, it just depends on the round, and how much of it is available.

Based on the market i saw last night I would be freaking out as a Commie indie, and asking who the heck is crashing the market. As a buyer I was a happy camper, picking up military below my PM prices. What surprised me was, there was very little military on the market and yet prices were low. Turrets at @124 and troops @95 was pretty cool this early in the reset, not for a commie, but definitely awesome for the other strats.

Figure, it is going to take me a few resets to get the feel of what is going on though.

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May 7th 2015, 18:37:09

Oh so the bots were changed to buy even more tech. Yeah no wonder tech was so crazy last set. Tech prices were already trending very very high and then the bots were adjusted to buy MORE??

The bots dont need to be better players. I agree it was dumb they were getting 160 agri tech only. Now theyre getting 200 and more bus res means the tech will be even more expensive and food will be even cheaper.

mFrost Game profile

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May 7th 2015, 18:43:16

Originally posted by MountainYeti:
I had the most recent win as farmer as a 37M dictator but that was only due to me manipulating the prices and forcing bushels to 100 for most of Sunday.


nice :) -- in 1800 -+ turns that is awesome, there must have been very few farmers on the server, and most bushels had already been destocked... how much did you have to buy to corner the market? But then it is always a risky proposition, I doubt this reset is going to allow for anything like that.

MountainYeti Game profile

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May 7th 2015, 21:06:53

I can't remember exact details since it was about a half yr ago Frost but I bought about 40mil bushels in the 50-60 range and sold on pm to kill the supply and from there I priced anywhere from 90-120 til the end of set. In hindsight I think I tried to sell to high and forced alot of people to have unspent turns at the end

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May 8th 2015, 7:56:21

Originally posted by Celphi:

I'll explain the code:
The bots first buys AGRI tech to 160%, BUS tech to 140%, and RES tech to 140%. This is a strategy error. Farmer bots should ONLY be buying AGRI tech until at LEAST 220% before even thinking about BUS / RES.

As you can see in the code: he up'd the amounts to 200% AGRI , 160% RES & 160% RES. Again, BUS RES shouldn't be touched until 220% agri tech is reached. Even then., there are better techs than BUS RES as a farmer.



220% agri tech really? in express? too costly, 200% is fine until you're ready to stock then go up to 220-225

Vic Game profile

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May 8th 2015, 11:45:57

all i know is military is more expensive this round so those techs aren't quite as costly to commies as they seem
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